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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Elkas View Post
    How can someone expect to be taken seriously when they write shit like "it's simply turning a 2D graphic in 3D". You have no clue about video game development and design if you write things like that.
    Who said that?

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Thats not what you wrote. You wrote IF this is what you are doing, then its more then just a graphics polish. I'm saying, you cant do this. You use sprites for 2d but for 3d you need actual models and rigs.

    Its getting kinda redundant at this point. I think you have mostly come 180 since the start anyway, now we are just arguing semantics.

    Personally i am developer who has spendt a lot of free time in unity and recently in blender. I know a fair amount about this stuff.
    If you dont, perhaps dont insert yourself into these discussions
    It's not semantics, it's you completely misconstruing what I'm saying and even claiming I've stated things which I just simply haven't.

    You were saying that what they're doing in D2R is just a "graphics polish". I said: "Calling it a 'graphics polish' implies only art assets are being changed, and only slightly improved. For instance, simply replacing a 3D model with a more detailed model. Or a low-resolution texture with a high-resolution texture."

    I am explaining what you calling it a graphics polish implies, in my view, and giving an example of what would actually be a "graphics polish". Nowhere did I ever say that you can simply replace 2D sprites with 3D models - my entire point is that you can't do it, you need to build or implement a 3D graphics engine for that and build 3D models from scratch - which is why it's frankly ignorant to call it a "graphics polish", especially when apparently you know so much about it.

    You could have spent a lifetime doing it and still be wrong. Be humble. The day you think you know everything is the day you stop learning.

    You don't need to spent a lot of free time in unity/blender/gamedev to understand that what they're doing is not just a "graphics polish" when they clearly state that they are developing an entire new graphics engine.

  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjub View Post
    If you feel this way and still buy their products.... jokes on you and you're weak, weak ethics. But I get it. The flesh is weak.
    You say that, but you're also buying their products. I wonder what the average intellect on this board is.

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolvarg View Post
    SNIP
    You were saying that what they're doing in D2R is just a "graphics polish".

    In the D2 remaster they add polish on top of the old game engine running beneath. Its literally the same engine. They are adding a few features but they arent changing any code.

    No i didnt. I stated they where adding polish on top of the old game engine. Not that they where "just" doing that. The takeaway from this, and the original discussion(the one i'm talking about you did a 180 on after moving goalposts anc changing the discussion to be about what a graphics overhal entails instead of if they where changing the actual game engine btw) is that they arent changing the core engine, they are only messing with graphics.

    I never stated they didnt make a new graphics engine.


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  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Copey View Post
    Don't you love how we true D2 fans FINALLY get the remaster we've been begging for, and the hordes of people come crawling from under rocks to bitch and moan about every little detail?

    I'd gladly pay full price for D2 Remaster, i've been wanting this shit for so long and am so hyped it's beyond reason.
    It is my #1 favorite game of all time thus far, and I don't foresee that changing anytime soon now that the remaster has been revealed and coming out in December (hopefully) sooner.
    I will happily sink another 10-15 years of my life back into this game
    So true.

    This whole discussion is, word-for-word, the same crap the haters spew about Classic since it was announced.

    "SUB? LUL, DEAD GAME"
    "HAHA SHIT GRAPHICS, NO ONE WILL PLAY!"
    "HAHAHA DEAD ON ARRIVAL"
    "NOT EVEN NEW CONTENT!"

    Dudes, give it a fucking rest. If you don't want to buy it, don't! If you do, go for it! This whole discussion is absurd, starting with the morons that expect a developed product to be free or at their desired price tag. I'm pretty sure you also work for free, 'uh?

    Shit, i paid 80€ (equivalent to portuguese escudos, before inflation) for Mortal Kombat (MegaDrive) ~15 years ago, why wouldn't i pay 40€ for an assured thousands of hours of playtime on my favorite game -ever-? All i wanted was a graphical overhaul, and we're getting that plus a lot of QOL (shared stash, maybe seasons revamped, bla bla).

    Just move the fuck along. Why does it bother you so much that people are actually happy about this.

    Never has entertainment been so cheap. Just enjoy it while it lasts.

  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by Uurdz View Post
    Look im not going to say it's cheap, it is certainly expensive. However, i'm more than willing to pay for it for the reasons stated. AOE2 for $20 is cheap although for me personally, I can only play AOE2 for a few hours before I get bored - D2 I could play for multiple days straight.

    They're reasonably comparative on a performance basis

    On its debut day, Diablo II sold 184,000 units.[42] The game's global sales reached 1 million copies after two weeks,[43] and 2 million after one and a half months.
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    In January 2000, three months after its release, Microsoft had shipped two million copies of The Age of Kings.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lling_PC_games

    Diablo II: 4 million Copies sold

    Age of Kings: 2 million Copies sold

    Not so comparable in the long term.

  7. #347
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  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lling_PC_games

    Diablo II: 4 million Copies sold

    Age of Kings: 2 million Copies sold

    Not so comparable in the long term.
    That's not a strong source for final sales volume. I got my numbers from Wiki too but couldnt find a final # report and the source on those are pretty bad.

    https://www.gamereactor.eu/age-of-em...million-units/

    Unsure how many of the AOE's that includes but if they're reporting 2 mill after 3 months they're sure as heck going to see more for all time.
    Also your logic that they are not comparable in the long term is odd because they've both been high award winning/top selling games for the years of their release and came out around similar time. They've both continued to have players and with a remaster AOE has seen a surge in players too.

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Uurdz View Post
    Also your logic that they are not comparable in the long term is odd because they've both been high award winning/top selling games for the years of their release and came out around similar time. They've both continued to have players and with a remaster AOE has seen a surge in players too.
    And, according to my numbers, Diablo sold twice as many copies.

    That's what makes them not comparable. One game was vastly more popular than the other.

  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    And, according to my numbers, Diablo sold twice as many copies.

    That's what makes them not comparable. One game was vastly more popular than the other.
    .. but your numbers have no substance. The links provided as evidence do not support those numbers.

  11. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by Uurdz View Post
    .. but your numbers have no substance. The links provided as evidence do not support those numbers.
    I haven't seen anything that disputes those numbers

    http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/diablo2_sales.htm

    Debuting in June, 2000 Diablo II has dominated PC game charts with sales of 4 million copies worldwide according to NPD INTELECT* and key retail accounts around the world. The game has also been awarded several accolades including the prestigious Computer Game of the Year, Computer Role Playing Game of the Year and Game of the Year for 2001 by the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences.
    If you can dispute those numbers, feel free.

  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    I haven't seen anything that disputes those numbers

    http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/diablo2_sales.htm



    If you can dispute those numbers, feel free.
    No issue with that one. Where is your AOE one?

  13. #353
    I would love to get it on iPad (like Baldur’s Gate)...

  14. #354
    They should add a wow mount for that price

  15. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman View Post
    I would love to get it on iPad (like Baldur’s Gate)...
    You can get baldurs gate on Ipad? How does it play?

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    You can get baldurs gate on Ipad? How does it play?
    Good if you connect a mouse (iPad OS 14).

  17. #357
    Honestly it comes down to the quality of the game. If it ends up mediocre I won't pay $44. If it ends up being quality I'll buy it. Besides, the game will always go on sale eventually and you can snag it cheaper down the road. I think people over value multiplayer in games like D2. Picking it up a year later for half if you insist on saving cash is reasonable.

  18. #358
    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzhands View Post
    People think paying 40$ for a game that took thousands of hours of work done by a bunch of people is too much? Wow.
    I am sorry but it might be, it depends on the quality of the final product and the number of hours each individual it is gonna get from it.
    There are tons of games that took a lot of work to be done, and i would not play them even if they paid me.

  19. #359
    If you don't like the price, you're free to wait until it goes on sale and buy it then.

  20. #360
    D2R comes with Offline Mode, Shared Stash, Auto Gold Pickup.

    That alone makes it worth it. Its still the best diablo version, with the best gear system.

    I just saw it in streams, but the new graphics looked great.
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