Flying tricked AGAIN

[cparle87]

i guess you missed the part where it was explained. you've clearly missed the thousands of pages and dozens of threads that disprove this as well. you are the real mvp bro.

People's opinions are not proof.

[Ragedaug]

how does flying make the world content more fun? you would still do the same wq just instead of runing (or flying via FP) to them you would fly on mount to them, i get its convenient and more effective, but how is it more "fun" is beyond my understanding

To add a illustration to how flying makes world content more fun. This is how I feel getting from WQ to WQ.

[Xath]

You go to a crap sandwich restaurant for 15 years, and every day they give you a crap sandwich.

Why are you surprised they just served you another crap sandwich?

It wasn't for the first decade of the restaurant's life

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"This is Argus all over again"

Always has been. While I've enjoyed the challenge, glad they've announced I'll be able to mount up in the Maw.

What challenge lol?

[Strawberry]

You're not getting flying at the start, because that trivialises questing and world pvp.

No one does world pvp outside of ganking. The amount of players who do that are not worth considering.

How does it trivialize questing? The quests are still there once flying is introduced. It's not like the quests magically move.

Flying worked fine from the start in previous expansions, there's no reason why it wouldn't work now.
It's like the rest of the design. Retarded as fuck, made to slow down players. Flying points connected in a retarded way, so you fly all over the zone instead going in a straight line, no mounting in the Maw, etc etc.
Just retarded game design choices to prolong our play time.

No, outside of slowing down the players and making them waste time in game, there's absolutely no reason not to include it from the beginning.

[Ermelloth]

Flying would not be needed if layout of few zones would not suck that much. I still tend to avoid visiting Bastion as much as possible - its a beyond horrible map to traverse, with flight points stupidly placed and tons of elevations so you need circling around stuff to get to your destination. Worst map in this expansion so far. Revendreth is easier for me just cause I'm Venthyr, so all these portals do help, otherwise, I believe, would also be messy.

[Kelduril]

No one does world pvp outside of ganking. The amount of players who do that are not worth considering.

How does it trivialize questing? The quests are still there once flying is introduced. It's not like the quests magically move.

Flying worked fine from the start in previous expansions, there's no reason why it wouldn't work now.
It's like the rest of the design. Retarded as fuck, made to slow down players. Flying points connected in a retarded way, so you fly all over the zone instead going in a straight line, no mounting in the Maw, etc etc.
Just retarded game design choices to prolong our play time.

No, outside of slowing down the players and making them waste time in game, there's absolutely no reason not to include it from the beginning.

Flying should have never been introduced period.

It's not like the quests magically move.

No but any difficulty goes out the window. Making your way to the quest objective tests your ability to conserve cooldowns and manage your pulls.

Jintha'Alor was a legendary quest back in Vanilla and if flying was in for it, it would be a joke.

[Strawberry]

Flying should have never been introduced period.



No but any difficulty goes out the window. Making your way to the quest objective tests your ability to conserve cooldowns and manage your pulls.

Jintha'Alor was a legendary quest back in Vanilla and if flying was in for it, it would be a joke.

Don't be silly. There's no difficulty for quests. You pick one, go to the zone, do it and turn in.

[Kelduril]

Don't be silly. There's no difficulty for quests. You pick one, go to the zone, do it and turn in.

Okay so make a character on Classic WoW and do some quests in zones like Jintha'Alor where mob density is going to stop you from running around like a headless chicken.

[cparle87]

To add a illustration to how flying makes world content more fun. This is how I feel getting from WQ to WQ.

Maybe be a less bad player who doesn't run through aggressive packs without any knowledge of how to strafe? Or buy the anti daze equipment. Or switch to tank spec when you're making long hauls. You choosing to make things as difficult as you can on yourself in order to push your agenda that things are difficult doesn't hold water.

[MasterOfNone]

People's opinions are not proof.

did i say opinions? you really don't pay attention very well for someone calling someone out. there are facts in those discussions. go read them. im not going to do your legwork just so you can hand waive like a real mmo screaming about proof.

[Strawberry]

Okay so make a character on Classic WoW and do some quests in zones like Jintha'Alor where mob density is going to stop you from running around like a headless chicken.

No one talking about flying cares about classic WoW.
You're in the wrong thread.

[Dhrizzle]

Don't be silly. There's no difficulty for quests. You pick one, go to the zone, do it and turn in.

Failure might not be likely but read some of the comments in this and other flying threads. Lots of people seem to really struggle with basic navigation across the zone, get stuck on pieces of scenery or pull every mob in the zone so it takes longer to travel. On top of that there are different ways of approaching a quest so a moment looking around and deciding to attack mob X first instead of mob Y gets the quest done quicker. All aspects of gameplay that flight allows you to ignore.

[MatPandaZ]

Because waiting for flying for a year to have it in completely obsoleted content isn't good compromise. Having both flying and no flying locations at the same time - is. And we had such locations in the past. Wintergrasp, Tol Barad, etc. It was perfect design and the most popular Wow xpack ever made. That's, why I call Blizzard stubborn. They just can't admit, that they're wrong.

Notice how the only zones you couldn't fly in were zones that had actual content to do at max level? Giving flying at cap only really works if you don't put any content there, because flying trivialises everything without forcing all content under a roof or in a cave. It's just the flip side of the argument that the world feels so small. It's incredibly stubborn of YOU to suggest that your thoughts on the matter is the correct one and that blizzard must be denying they got it wrong.

Flying is like a catch up mechanic, it speeds up questing/WQ's. Adding flying on cap just makes the world feel tiny and you zip from one quest to another without any thought. The logical next step up from that is just to have the game teleport you to a mob that you kill, and then to another mob that you kill and so on. Quest chains would need to be 200 quests long to have any play time in them.

[Xires]

No one was tricked and no one is surprised. Un-clench the pearls.

This right here. ^^^^ /thread

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Thank the 'No flying' crowd. I cant imagine Blizzard ever going back to Flying in from the start. Why you thought this was ever going to be the case is one of the mysteries of the universe. Blizzard didn't trick you, you did that to yourself.

Actually, flying is one of the things blizzard said they regret. "Thank the no flying crowd". Yeah...blizzard has been doing this for years because a part of the playerbase told them to. It's like you're new to the game or something.

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Once again flying will only be unlocked for already outdated content while being unavailable in the Maw and Korthia. This is Argus all over again. Next expansion MUST have flying in from the START and it must be usable EVERYWHERE.

No. Go play a different game. This one consumes too much of your time apparently. So many lazy players out there....

[Mercane]

Okay so make a character on Classic WoW and do some quests in zones like Jintha'Alor where mob density is going to stop you from running around like a headless chicken.

Nobody cares about your "in Classic" strawman nonsense.

[Kelduril]

Nobody cares about your "in Classic" strawman nonsense.

It's not strawman, he said flying does not add to the difficulty. So go do that quest and say that again.

Nobody cares about your whining either. They're never making Flying default again. They know it was a bad decision.

[Mercane]

It's not strawman, he said flying does not add to the difficulty. So go do that quest and say that again.

Nobody cares about your whining either. They're never making Flying default again. They know it was a bad decision.

TIL calling an argument poorly constructed, off-topic, and nonsensical is 'whining'.

When was the last time Flying was 'default'? It's coming with pathfinder, just like it always has (since Warlords), the criteria have been shuffled around. Delaying flying has absolutely nothing to do with 'difficulty' and everything to do with keeping MAU counts arbitrarily high before the mid-expansion lull. Not exactly a difficult concept for most people to wrap their head around, but tell us more about quests people don't care about, Classic, or whatever nonsense you feel supports your argument.

[Dhrizzle]

TIL calling an argument poorly constructed, off-topic, and nonsensical is 'whining'.

When was the last time Flying was 'default'? It's coming with pathfinder, just like it always has (since Warlords), the criteria have been shuffled around. Delaying flying has absolutely nothing to do with 'difficulty' and everything to do with keeping MAU counts arbitrarily high before the mid-expansion lull. Not exactly a difficult concept for most people to wrap their head around, but tell us more about quests people don't care about, Classic, or whatever nonsense you feel supports your argument.

How does a lack of flying keep MAUs up?

[DarkAmbient]

"How does making things take longer cause people to spend more time doing things" Hmm it's a mystery...

[Kelduril]

TIL calling an argument poorly constructed, off-topic, and nonsensical is 'whining'.

When was the last time Flying was 'default'? It's coming with pathfinder, just like it always has (since Warlords), the criteria have been shuffled around. Delaying flying has absolutely nothing to do with 'difficulty' and everything to do with keeping MAU counts arbitrarily high before the mid-expansion lull. Not exactly a difficult concept for most people to wrap their head around, but tell us more about quests people don't care about, Classic, or whatever nonsense you feel supports your argument.

"How does making things take longer cause people to spend more time doing things" Hmm it's a mystery...

If people want flying so much it seems to me like denying it would just make them not play.