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    How did Anduin escape the Maw?

    I thought the player character was the only one who could activate the stone to get out? Can the Jailer just send random souls outside whenever he feels like now?

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    I mean, half of the Forsworn are able to. What makes any of the other members of the Jailer's army unable to? Seems like just the Jailer himself can't.

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    Anduin was never meant to be in the Maw in the first place, that's most likely the reason why he isn't bound to the Maw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krowth View Post
    I thought the player character was the only one who could activate the stone to get out? Can the Jailer just send random souls outside whenever he feels like now?
    well first of all he is not a soul, he is still alive (afaik)
    as for the question, im pretty sure the same way he got in - carried by mawsworn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krowth View Post
    I thought the player character was the only one who could activate the stone to get out? Can the Jailer just send random souls outside whenever he feels like now?
    Presumably the fallen Kyrian aka the mawswarn retain the Kyrian ability to travel between realms. Maybe one of them transported him to bastion?
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    Know how the Kyrians carry us about by grabbing our heads? A Forsworn did just that grabbing Anduin by the hair right out if the Maw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWC3587 View Post
    Presumably the fallen Kyrian aka the mawswarn retain the Kyrian ability to travel between realms. Maybe one of them transported him to bastion?
    They do, we see that when they come for Kel Thuzad during the Maldraxxus campaign.

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    Quite possible that the Jailer gave Bolvar a "vision" that Anduin was in a position to be rescued, and then let the Maw Walker do the job for him.
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    If i was guessing the Jailer walked him out on his leash.

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    A Mawsworn probably just flew him over.

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    plotholes... Well not exactly true. Ignoring the worlds laws for plot convenience.

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    I guess it makes sense that it was the kyrians, though I thought they only dropped the souls in there not go personally. Kinda cheapens the Maw being this inescapable hell a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krowth View Post
    I guess it makes sense that it was the kyrians, though I thought they only dropped the souls in there not go personally. Kinda cheapens the Maw being this inescapable hell a bit.
    The Maw has been pretty severely compromised at this point - what with the Jailer's Mawsworn being able to manifest themselves in Azeroth, Maldraxxus, and Bastion. It's not beyond possible that at this point that Jailer can start manifesting his will beyond the Maw, even he still can't physically leave it.
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    I assume the cutscene takes place after a short questline to "rescue" Anduin, then the Maw changes to reflect what happens at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krowth View Post
    I guess it makes sense that it was the kyrians, though I thought they only dropped the souls in there not go personally. Kinda cheapens the Maw being this inescapable hell a bit.
    That's the entire point of bringing them into the Jailer's fold in the first place pretty much. And it's already been pointed out in the Necrolord 9.0 campaign that the Kyrians can in fact enter and leave the Maw at will. Of course, they can't effectively move his entire army about, that would leave them to open for us to intercept and cut them down piece for piece.

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    just a reminder that mawsworn swooped through the rift into azeroth and we saw two flying kyrians in the bastion afterlives going between realms. I'd say it's pretty certain that zovaal is definitively bound to the maw but the flying folk can get out if needed. get a kyrian sold to the jailer, fly anduin to and from bastion, job's done.

    edit: as someone above me pointed out, kyrian can enter and leave the maw. the assumption of building the place is that the trapped/damned souls aren't flying kyrian, and therefore couldn't escape their torment. i'd assume that's why they needed to be brought to zovaal's side for sure.
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    We bring him out, thinking he is fine, then that cutscene happens.

    Boom, easy.

    Sigh.

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    Five long years he kept his hearthstone up his ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyiana View Post
    just a reminder that mawsworn swooped through the rift into azeroth and we saw two flying kyrians in the bastion afterlives going between realms. I'd say it's pretty certain that zovaal is definitively bound to the maw but the flying folk can get out if needed. get a kyrian sold to the jailer, fly anduin to and from bastion, job's done.

    edit: as someone above me pointed out, kyrian can enter and leave the maw. the assumption of building the place is that the trapped/damned souls aren't flying kyrian, and therefore couldn't escape their torment. i'd assume that's why they needed to be brought to zovaal's side for sure.
    So what you are saying is that the Jailer should simply get 4 or 5 Kyrians to pick him up and fly him straight to Oribos.

    Plooooothooooooooole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    So what you are saying is that the Jailer should simply get 4 or 5 Kyrians to pick him up and fly him straight to Oribos.

    Plooooothooooooooole.
    In your story, yes. It's supposed to be a prison for the Jailer. They would be stupid to not have additional measures in place to keep him, specificially, stuck in there.

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