Thrall's panel really shows how out of touch the writer's are with the Horde.

[Rhlor]

I mean...yeah? Were we playing the same game? This has always been the Horde that I've seen. A bunch of separate races that are together not because they share core beliefs but because they need each other - an alliance of necessity. If they weren't allied with one another they'd be easy pickings for the Alliance and any other force sizeable enough to deal with them.


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Orcs - they're the backbone / start.

Trolls - were constantly being picked-off by multiple enemies -the ogres made them flee STV and then when they settled on Darkspear they were being constantly attacked by Murlocs then Humans. It was pure luck that they got involved with the Horde / Thrall, who were hiding on the Island. The trolls joining the Horde is what enabled the Horde to have the manpower to actually challenge the Alliance. But if the Trolls were never bothered they'd have happily stayed in STV just living their best life.

Tauren - they were nomadic for centuries and constantly moving due to their enemies, the Centaurs, picking them off steadily over time. They were almost extinct until Cairne reached out to the invading Orcs / Horde and offered an alliance with Thrall. Thrall / the orcs helped with the Centaur problem, so the Tauren owed them allegiance. But if the Tauren had it their way, they'd be living peacefully in the plains somewhere NOT involved in constant violence / war.

Forsaken - this one is even more obvious. The Forsaken simply joined the Horde because they had no other option. The Alliance and/or the Scarlet Crusade would have seen them dead. Sylvanas had to convince even the Horde to take them and promised their alliegence and power among the ranks. If Sylvanas / The Forsaken could have stood on their own or been welcome back by their people on the Alliance they would have preferred that.

Blood Elves - see above. The Blood Elves were once part of the Alliance and would have happily rejoined if not for Jaina's bullcrap. There was some tenseness between the Alliance and the Blood Elves, so they were SOL there. They were with the Horde because Sylvanas showed them kindness and offered them help. But not necessarily because they truly want to be there.

Pandaren - again, see above. Honestly, it makes little sense that they're on the Horde.

Goblins - Thrall offered them a better deal than the Alliance did.

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But the point is, pretty much everyone who is part of the Horde is there out of a matter of convenience. Where-as pretty much all races in the Alliance have been allied for generations. The Horde has had so much in-fighting and swapped through so many leaders that her summization isn't too far off.

the problem is that blizzard on the one hand writes to the horde in the way you describe it and on the other they also say "horde is a family"

they make the horde do terrible things, but they don't want the horde to be the sith so they do a development where the horde always ends in civil war.

the problem is the narrative inconsistency, we saved the world and then we are agents of death, to save the world again together with the people we wanted to kill for evil reasons.
writers can't tell a good story for the horde.

[MikeBogina]

Is this something you just made up because the night elfs help people/creatures all over the world expecting nothing in return and the goats tend to do the same thing with the blood elfs as a glaring example.

During a time where the Blood Elves are trying to recover from the Scourge invasion, the Night Elves did send people there... to sabotage them.

[omeomorfismo]

"/pat"

It wasnt me raging here about his forsaken not being able to RP as a mass murdering psycho. Pat yourself, maybe that will sooth your grief over losing the ability to be edgier then Shadow the Hedgeheg.

Every time horde tries to morally compare to Alliance is like a child murderer on a chair shouting that his prosecutors are "just like him but wont admit it". Kinda strong, but empty.

yes and? you are still trying ad hominem.
im fucking bitter to the forsaken degeneration, but this still doesnt change anything about my point.
in the past alliance did everything the horde did (even worse considering draenei behaviour). thanks the dick that now they dont need to continue.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

During a time where the Blood Elves are trying to recover from the Scourge invasion, the Night Elves did send people there... to sabotage them.

Ya the night elfs had a grudge and acted poorly because of it, that how ever doesn’t change that there constantly helping people for no gain likely more then any other race.

[Kallisto]

Yep. which is the WoW Horde. From Vanilla to now. That Horde was never disbanded.

While Grithos's literally included a couple of humans and some dwarves.
All human kingdoms were destroyed and they had no other allies.

Then another alliance was made in Stormwind. When Stormwind was rebuilt.

We can in any case blame the Dwarves... but I'm not sure which dwarves were following Garrithos.

PS: If today someone did the same as Garrithos and they were not punished, the alliance would be guilty.

It is more to give another example. When the Kaldorei engulfed the Broken Spear, both Tyrande and Malfurion can be blamed. I do not know if it comes higher because it is an event that we have little data. (Another good point to put gray weft that blizzard throws away). But in this case we do know that everyone knew what Sylvanas did and they all didn't care. And those are the ones who would have to react with something like that. They are not sweepers or spearmen.

No this is wrong. Blizzard have openly stated from day 1 that the alliance formed in WC2 (since the alliance was formed in response to the orcish victory over Stormwind) is the exact same alliance that was around in WC3, the alliance that Garithos has lead and the Alliance in WoW. It never changed, just the leadership went from King of Lordaeron, the highest living lord in Lordaeron (Garithos) to Stormwind once Garithos was finally got rid of.

Blizzard have also been open about how the Horde of WC 1+2 was destroyed and the one Thrall made was a brand new organization. You're literally arguing against the one group of people who can't be wrong. When you're the story owner and writer what you write is lore. Can it be rediculous? Yes. Can it be bad? Absolutely.

But if the story owner/write says something, that thing is the lore of the fictional universe. Hell Blizzard could tomorrow say that every earthquake on Azeroth was her having muscle spasms and it is pleasurable to her. It would be dumb as fuck but it would be the one true lore.

[Super Dickmann]

Blizzard have also been open about how the Horde of WC 1+2 was destroyed and the one Thrall made was a brand new organization. You're literally arguing against the one group of people who can't be wrong. When you're the story owner and writer what you write is lore. Can it be rediculous? Yes. Can it be bad? Absolutely.

Feel free to direct me to when they say it because that's demonstrably wrong. Thrall is appointed by Doomhammer as Warchief of the Horde and leads the exact same group Doomhammer led. The organisation is exactly the same in structure and follows an unbroken line from Doomhammer's exit from internment to his death and appointment of Thrall as Warchief in his place.

[Orby]

Golden didn't create or made that book up, they said to her what she was supposed to write, her job in the book and what was her own doing was the dialogues and to flesh out his emotions/personality.(and that seems like her job in blizzard, doing dialogues, not rly creating new lore)

But this is even pointless since thrall from lord of the clans is a totally different character than he is now

Christie Golden was only tasked with writing a book covering the Lord of the Clans game that was already finished but canceled. The lore already existed. The real person that came up with all the lore is Metzen.

I know all this, but she still wrote the book she knows about the character, its still her words on the page. She didn't copy what someone else wrote the ideas and the destination of how they got there is still hers. Creative writing is all about bullet points, you are given ideas on the story, you write the story making sure to connect the bullet points, you hand it back to those who gave them to you (an editor), and they check it over and hand it back if adjustments need to be made or kept and forwarded on if its good.

Same goes for every one on the creative writing team. But she has been following and writing and playing the game for as long as most on this forum. People rant on the creative team like they are clueless (and I certifiably have had my issues with the lore) but the truth is they are just not writing what you want them to write, and we judge them on what good storytelling is like we are master authors. I recently (over a month ago) quit the game because I didn't like where the lore was going. Does that mean I think the lore is bad? No, I just have no personal interest in it.

[Syegfryed]

I know all this, but she still wrote the book she knows about the character, its still her words on the page.

you are implying she know by heart something she wrote like 20 years ago, and this is still pointless since the thrall from lord of the clans is fundamentally different from the thrall we know now.

She didn't copy what someone else wrote the ideas and the destination of how they got there is still hers. Creative writing is all about bullet points, you are given ideas on the story, you write the story making sure to connect the bullet points, you hand it back to those who gave them to you (an editor), and they check it over and hand it back if adjustments need to be made or kept and forwarded on if its good.

everything was already done by Metzen, her job was to flesh out his persona and do good dialogues, the process of creation was not from her.

Yes But again. The Kaldorei will never start a war over Xenophobia. And no matter how xenophobic they are, they tend to seek peace and help others.

they going to the alliance and starting the conflict with orcs was because of that.

It would be good if Blizzard let the Kaldorei be truly xenophobic and that it is not just a description to put some defect in the air that then will never be shown in the Game.

it would, but they are alliance, alliance cannot show any signs of xenophobia, so they are slowly whitewashing then so they are pure and perfect elves

And they did not attack the Horde for invading their lands and are aggressive towards the Eternal Night for their betrayal. Xenophobia is irrational, it is without a real motive.

they saw orcs cutting trees and immediately start murdering then, seems irrational to me

While on the other hand, the ones that seem to have an irreconcilable hatred towards other races is the Horde .... BFA destroyed the Horde forever, no matter how much we dislike it.

humans have irreconcilable hatred toward orcs and trolls, orcs have with humans, and so on. at least is how things should be

The Vulpera were not a race of the Horde at the time.

they were still helping the horde, giving then resources AND exporting then, directly helping the war effort, why not kill then and get the job done? because people want the alliance be the good two shoes faction, even if they were horde, people would complain about it



Instead when Tyrande forgave Horde soldiers the fans complained.[/QUOTE]

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Hey, I'm a belf fan and I'm tired af of the Morally Grey™ lady and her 5D chess. Moreso now that she's in full sobbing mode.

i understand its not every blood elf, but is undisputable how much blood elf players defend Sylvanus just because she is elf, and they think it means blizzard is giving focus to then.

Some stories are good, some stories suck. And some stories are good but the readers are so jaded they don't even bother trying to understand it or just take a first glance at it and write it off without even understanding it. Remember lolpandas? Being too cute and fuzzy, and not Warcraft. Completely forgetting we had the desecration of pristine lands, innocent people dragged into a race war, genocidal old god minions, tyrannical insane titan minions, a new world war, a civil war, and massive casualties. But does anyone think about that? No. Because they got as far as lolpandas and turned off their brains. People boil the story down tropes and the characters down to caricatures and preach to others that their headcanon is reality.

right, but MOP was good, even with his flaws, the expansions after MOP are arguable worse with more retcons and disconnections to previous lore, we can deny that, BfA and shadowlands are the top on that, shadowlands went far back to say the events of wtlk are all planned right now, and like come on

[Accendor]

Are there so many players who want the Horde with an evil faction?
Because I always see more interest from Blizzard to make the Gallows look like evil monsters. Than from the Horde players themselves to see themselves as monsters.

Fighting for yours does not make you an evil Monster. And that's what Horde players often want.

Just to be sure - did you play BfA?
Because BfA made very clear, that the Horde as a whole is evil. That was the plot line of BfA, up to the very end.
Not every single person, there was a tiny minority that fought back, although waaaay too late, but as a whole it was made pretty clear that horde = evil.

[Syegfryed]

Just to be sure - did you play BfA?
Because BfA made very clear, that the Horde as a whole is evil. That was the plot line of BfA, up to the very end.
Not every single person, there was a tiny minority that fought back, although waaaay too late, but as a whole it was made pretty clear that horde = evil.

thats a completely dishonest take about the effect, BfA showed the horde as a whole is dumb with memory loss, prisoners of their own stupidity, not that they are evil

no matter how we stop up against tyrants before, forget that, sucks that our leader is evil and can't do literally nothing about it

You are trying to say the entire faction is bad, because of their bad writing in a shit rehashed plot from MOP

[MikeBogina]

Ya the night elfs had a grudge and acted poorly because of it, that how ever doesn’t change that there constantly helping people for no gain likely more then any other race.

No, but it certainly points out that they're not this selfless group.

imagine though, really imagine it. The last time the Blood Elves dealt with the Night Elves, which was in the Frozen Throne... they aided them. The Night Elves knew how dangerous the Scourge was and even so, they go into the Blood Elves area with a force and sabotage their efforts to reclaim their land and fight off the Scourge that's still there.

That's some Scumbaggery right there.

[Orby]

you are implying she know by heart something she wrote like 20 years ago, and this is still pointless since the thrall from lord of the clans is fundamentally different from the thrall we know now.

Of course he is, he evolved. Even I am not the same person I was... thank god. Thralls principles are the same, the dude wanted to 'avoid ceaseless conflict' back in Warcraft 3 and that has continued to be who he is. He has only changed in accordance to the story and that is called growth, and in itself good storytelling. You are entitled to not like who thrall developed into, but that doesn't mean its bad.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No, but it certainly points out that they're not this selfless group.

imagine though, really imagine it. The last time the Blood Elves dealt with the Night Elves, which was in the Frozen Throne... they aided them. The Night Elves knew how dangerous the Scourge was and even so, they go into the Blood Elves area with a force and sabotage their efforts to reclaim their land and fight off the Scourge that's still there.

That's some Scumbaggery right there.

Again ya the night elfs don’t like the blood elfs even after working together, but there still the most selfless of any of the races with the high track record of helping others.

[geco]

they going to the alliance and starting the conflict with orcs was because of that.

You just made that up. Because there is nothing written about why the Kaldorei joined the Alliance.
It may also be that the Horde attacked the Kaldorei again and so they sought allies.

it would, but they are alliance, alliance cannot show any signs of xenophobia, so they are slowly whitewashing then so they are pure and perfect elves

Neither did they do it in the W3 or when they let the alliance be gray (The first expansions)

they saw orcs cutting trees and immediately start murdering then, seems irrational to me

I assume that if someone comes and starts killing the orc wolves. This is not going to act violently. Do not?

humans have irreconcilable hatred toward orcs and trolls, orcs have with humans, and so on. at least is how things should be

Hopefully one day it will be written like that.

they were still helping the horde, giving then resources AND exporting then, directly helping the war effort, why not kill then and get the job done? because people want the alliance be the good two shoes faction, even if they were horde, people would complain about it

They are still not Horde.

Instead when Tyrande forgave Horde soldiers the fans complained.

thats a completely dishonest take about the effect, BfA showed the horde as a whole is dumb with memory loss, prisoners of their own stupidity, not that they are evil

no matter how we stop up against tyrants before, forget that, sucks that our leader is evil and can't do literally nothing about it

Yup and that destroys the Horde.
When he has to learn over and over again that killing civilians is wrong and that he does not have to follow madmen they are practically evil.

Without adding that it makes the entire history of the Horde alpedo. Why do we rebel against Garrosh? Why do we rebel against Sylvanas? If tomorrow we are going to continue to the next random bad guy that comes out.

[KrakHed]

Of course he is, he evolved. Even I am not the same person I was... thank god. Thralls principles are the same, the dude wanted to 'avoid ceaseless conflict' back in Warcraft 3 and that has continued to be who he is. He has only changed in accordance to the story and that is called growth, and in itself good storytelling. You are entitled to not like who thrall developed into, but that doesn't mean its bad.

Thrall became an irresponsible dispirited loser. Why was it so hard to keep a responsible leader character as a responsible leader? Why do all of the nominally "good" characters on the Horde suffer from moral cowardice? Why should this have been a part of Thrall as well?

[Soon-TM]

Why do all of the nominally "good" characters on the Horde suffer from moral cowardice?

Because Horde characters aren't allowed to be good - unless they are gargling themselves on some Ally !@$% (preferrably human), that is.

[Syegfryed]

You just made that up. Because there is nothing written about why the Kaldorei joined the Alliance.

?

are you for real? they joined the alliance because they were in conflict against the orcs/horde, enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Neither did they do it in the W3

they attacked the orcs because of that

I assume that if someone comes and starts killing the orc wolves. This is not going to act violently. Do not?

you are comparing chopping trees, that nobody know have owners, cause there was no signs, no borders and no one to making clear that belonged to someone else

to literally killing living wolves, living animals, of other people, who ahve stell and marks all over then(that remarks they belong to someone) for no reason?

yep, the false analogy of the alliance

Hopefully one day it will be written like that.

They are still not Horde.

they are still helping the horde to kill alliance

who F cares if they are not horde? THAT is the problem with alliance players.

Instead when Tyrande forgave Horde soldiers the fans complained.

what? when that happened? and not even horde would like that, i give two shits about if she forgive me or not

Yup and that destroys the Horde.
When he has to learn over and over again that killing civilians is wrong and that he does not have to follow madmen they are practically evil.

again, that is not how it works, you are mixing up the team writing and the horde as a whole.

they were written as "prisoners of duty and fear" they wanted to rebel but they could not, this is not horde fault, its blizzard fault for a shit writing.

Without adding that it makes the entire history of the Horde alpedo. Why do we rebel against Garrosh? Why do we rebel against Sylvanas? If tomorrow we are going to continue to the next random bad guy that comes out.

anda gain, not a horde problem, but a blizzard problem.

realistically, Sylvanas would never be warchief.

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Of course he is, he evolved.

well he evolved to be worse, his evolution make no sense and directly contradict his past experiences and visions.

hell, they even said HE was the one to save the orcs from corruption, HE abolished the clans and so on, and those things are literally wrong, who save the orcs was Grom, he never abolished the clans, we still had functional clans since today with the frostwolf and the warsong clan.

>He has only changed in accordance to the story and that is called growth, and in itself good storytelling. You are entitled to not like who thrall developed into, but that doesn't mean its bad.

growing backwards is not a good storytelling, thrall development was awful after wtlk(and people can say it was even in vanilla) who the hell think about fucking up his own people for penance? they didn't suffer enough in the concentration camps? why the children had to suffer the same? no one liked the green jesus shenanigans and his arc should have being done there, he was supposed to be a martial prowess gladiator but get his ass kicked all the time, cheat on mak'gora, can't stand up with his failures, lost his hammer and so on, he is an oversaturated character that they can't get right with all the bullshit of peace when thrall was supposed to be the guy to think of peace after thinking about his people

[username993720]

Good.
There's no need for human orcs, when we have humans. That's just making the races, and the factions, bland.
You, guys, keep forgetting the description for the races, and the factions, just because of a few characters:


"Joined in an alliance of convenience", "ferocious, and sometimes monstrous", "struggles to keep aggression in check".

Orcs - "The orcs can work themselves up into a natural bloodlust frenzy, a capacity that was only demonically amplified by consuming the Blood of Mannoroth." Meaning, they never required the Blood of Mannoroth to be savages, as can be seen by the Warlords of Draenor expansion. To be honest, Garrosh epitomized what it meant to be an Orc Warchief.

Troll - "Other than tribes such as the Darkspear, most trolls will attack outsiders on sight, even trolls of other tribes. The jungle near Booty Bay in the Eastern Kingdoms is infamous for its many aggressive jungle troll inhabitants. The Darkspear tribe practiced cannibalism until they joined forces with the Horde, who forbade the practice". To be fair, Zul'jin is the best example of a troll character.

Tauren - Now, tauren are said to be calm and peaceful. And that is true, to a certain extent. Being based on native americans, they are considered 'savages' in films like Pocahontas. In warfare, i would say, they are immensely brutal. Baine is the worst example of a Tauren. Even in warcraft III, his ass got kidnapped by Centaurs. I would have added some of that alleged 'savagery' of the native americans to the Tauren race. Not just peaceful and serene people but, rather, deadly in combat.

Undead - evil beyond comprehension. This is undisputable. They experimented on caged living beings, deployed plague indiscriminately, and raised creatures into undeath. The Banshee Queen is a great example of a forsaken (before being warchief).

Blood elves - Unlike the High elves, they embraced the overuse and indulgence in arcane magic, to the point of addiction. Now, that the Sunwell is restored, they are no longer power hungry. But, what characterized their addition to the Horde, for an entire expansion was their fel green eyes and their withdrawal symptoms that they shared with the fel corrupted orcs. I think Kael'thas Sunstrider epitomized the Blood elves as a race.

Goblins - Assholes. No doubt about that. They primarily think of monetary gain, before they think of their allies. They are greedy creatures, with a knack for explosives. This can be seen by their starting zone, which shows the use of slaves and the disregard for others' well-being. Gallywix is a prime example of a Goblin.

Pandaren - not gonna even consider them, as they don't really fit the Horde. Heck, their racial leader was brutally beaten by the Warchief. The Zandalari were their enemies, during the Zandalari Wars, and i can't see how they would ally themselves with the evil forsaken, greedy goblins, magic-obsessed elves, voodoo trolls and war-like Orcs that, frankly, resemble Mogu.

In the end, the Horde and its races have always been "evil", sort of speak. And that is not a bad thing, like you all consider it to be. That's actually, a good think. Because if both factions were good and benign, Warcraft would have been boring as hell. That's the diversity part of it, what keeps it interesting. Would the Forsaken be interesting if they were a kind-hearted race? would the Goblins be goblins if they were not greedy pricks? Would orcs be cool if they were compassionate, flower-picking, individuals? i'd bet they wouldn't. That's what the Alliance is for. And they can be bad too, in their own way. By being fanatics. By being Xenophobic. and by being condescending.

[geco]

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are you for real? they joined the alliance because they were in conflict against the orcs/horde, enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Tell me where you read it. In the same Chronicles it does not clarify why the Kaldorei joined the Alliance.

they attacked the orcs because of that

It was not because they cut down trees and invaded their territory.

you are comparing chopping trees, that nobody know have owners, cause there was no signs, no borders and no one to making clear that belonged to someone else

to literally killing living wolves, living animals, of other people, who ahve stell and marks all over then(that remarks they belong to someone) for no reason?

yep, the false analogy of the alliance

Hopefully one day it will be written like that.

I am comparing killing living beings with killing living beings.
And it wasn't just trees. There were spirits around them, spirits with a face that the Orcs simply killed them.
There were trees that moved with faces and hands that the orcs simply killed.

Go to any private property, cut in a tree and you may get shot.

The funny thing is, the Orcs didn't know. So it's a Griss Conflict ... which Blizzar can't write anymore.

they are still helping the horde to kill alliance

who F cares if they are not horde? THAT is the problem with alliance players.

It's very important. Because your goal is to kill the opposing side. Not that Blizzard makes you waste time with people you don't even know who they are.

what? when that happened? and not even horde would like that, i give two shits about if she forgive me or not

In the original version of the night war, he comes across a Horde encampment and instead of killing them he pretrifies them. (Besides, it's good it doesn't hurt Nathanos.)

All complained that the Ravage of revenge did not take revenge and that was absurd. Then they said that they kill all of them except one, and even people say that it is bullshit.

again, that is not how it works, you are mixing up the team writing and the horde as a whole.

they were written as "prisoners of duty and fear" they wanted to rebel but they could not, this is not horde fault, its blizzard fault for a shit writing.

anda gain, not a horde problem, but a blizzard problem.

realistically, Sylvanas would never be warchief.

The one who mixes is you. It confuses what a Horde Player is. With what they show what the Horde is. Blizzard has the final word.

In a realistic Horde Sylvanas was not a warchief.
In a realistic Horde Sylvanas never tried to start a war.
In a realistic Horde Sylvanas never ally with the jailer. She has nothing to gain and she knew it.
In a realistic Horde if Sylvanas ally with the jailer she would try to never go to Shadowlands. She will not walk the road herself.
In a realistic Horde when they ordered to burn it almost nobody would shoot.
In a realistic Horde when Sylvanas gives the Hordan Varock he cut off his head.
In a realistic Horde when the Shamans combo elementals to burn the tree faster the elementals did not respond.
In a realistic Horde when Sylvanas came back from her she was killed by her own people. For failing Honor. She was queuing up to give her a Mak-gora.
In a realistic Horde no one was going to defend guts.
In a realistic Horde Baien revealed himself on the 1st or as soon as the alliance had half a foot in Kalimndor again.

In a realistic Horde before BFA all wars would have ended and only Stupid Genn would be left trying to start one.

But sadly Blizzard writes the cannon and the cannon is that the Horde has not yet learned not to follow genocidal maniacs. Not only did he not learn but every time he follows one more evil than the previous one who is more clear that he is evil than the previous one.

I wish your vision of the Horde was correct. But it is not the writers has the power of the Cannon although what they write does not make sense.

PS: We have the same vision of what the Horde should be.
PD2: Honor's failure is not burning the tree or attacking the Kaldorei. It is killing civilians who surrendered.

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DO NOT.
The Horde has to be wild, aggressive. But not evil. It doesn't make sense that she finds a good side and a bad side. It doesn't make sense that the Horde's goal would be to defeat the Horde.
The Horde has to fight for the Horde and the Alliance for the alliance.
The Horde has to be the good guys in their history. Not the bad guys from her own story.

Besides, there are races of the Alliance that are supposed to be evil. But hey Blizzard at some point in Cata forgot about that.

[Difuid]

Good.
Blood elves - Unlike the High elves, they embraced the overuse and indulgence in arcane magic, to the point of addiction. Now, that the Sunwell is restored, they are no longer power hungry. But, what characterized their addition to the Horde, for an entire expansion was their fel green eyes and their withdrawal symptoms that they shared with the fel corrupted orcs. I think Kael'thas Sunstrider epitomized the Blood elves as a race.

ALL elven races feed on magic so they require some kind of source to survive or they become a wretch. Even your vaunted High elves are "addicted", as they too were/are subsiding on the magic of the Sunwell.

The difference is Blood elves turned to consuming Fel as Outland had an abundance of demons, thus their green eyes.

While the adored High elves that were more loyal to the Alliance than their own race, scratched their itch by draining magical objects and items they could get their hands on. Sometimes with quite ill effects: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=27521/...m-and-villainy