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    Back in the day, in NFL Europe we had the Amsterdam Admirals:
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    The discussion going around about "What if the Colts lose and Steelers win, will the Raiders and Chargers just kneel to a tie" is the dumbest discussion I've seen for some time.

    Apart from the fact no one would ever risk the fury of the NFL's executive in doing it, the Raiders and Chargers hate each other and will play to eliminate the other as much as they'll play to see themselves in.

    If the Colts and Steelers both lose, the Raiders are in regardless of result. You think they'll take their foot off the gas and not take the opportunity to give a "fuck you" to the Chargers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    The discussion going around about "What if the Colts lose and Steelers win, will the Raiders and Chargers just kneel to a tie" is the dumbest discussion I've seen for some time.

    Apart from the fact no one would ever risk the fury of the NFL's executive in doing it, the Raiders and Chargers hate each other and will play to eliminate the other as much as they'll play to see themselves in.

    If the Colts and Steelers both lose, the Raiders are in regardless of result. You think they'll take their foot off the gas and not take the opportunity to give a "fuck you" to the Chargers?
    You know thats just a joke right? No one actually thinks they would both just kneel for hours.

    Plus if I were the Raiders and were assuredly in, I would put in my backups, wouldn't want to risk Carr breaking his leg in a meaningless game.

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    Washington Admirals is so dumb. 2 years to think of a name and that is what they come up with?

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    Washington’s adderalls imo. Great marketing opportunities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Inflicted Wounds View Post
    You know thats just a joke right? No one actually thinks they would both just kneel for hours.
    You say that, but there's people who genuinely think both teams should breeze by like it's a bye week.


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    Playing divisional games in the final week is one of the few things the NFL has gotten right. It should eliminate gamesmanship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    You say that, but there's people who genuinely think both teams should breeze by like it's a bye week.
    Personally I think its a great time to get players some practice that might not normally get much time. Like why play Baker Mayfield right now, or Derek Carr if you are a lock? Because you are playing a hated rival? How fucking dumb would you feel if Carr or Darren Waller get injured in a game that won't improve your chances at winning a playoff game? In Bakers case, why? Sit Nick Chubb and let D'Ernest Johnson go off. It absolutely makes no sense to me. I abhor losing games on purpose, but there are multiple teams that don't need to play their starters, and they wouldn't be doing anything wrong in sitting them to get their back ups some practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Inflicted Wounds View Post
    Personally I think its a great time to get players some practice that might not normally get much time. Like why play Baker Mayfield right now, or Derek Carr if you are a lock? Because you are playing a hated rival? How fucking dumb would you feel if Carr or Darren Waller get injured in a game that won't improve your chances at winning a playoff game? In Bakers case, why? Sit Nick Chubb and let D'Ernest Johnson go off. It absolutely makes no sense to me. I abhor losing games on purpose, but there are multiple teams that don't need to play their starters, and they wouldn't be doing anything wrong in sitting them to get their back ups some practice.
    Thing is right now, Raiders aren't a lock, they'd need a certain sequence of events to happen for them to be a lock.

    The "tie and your in" scenario still eliminates either team with a loss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    Thing is right now, Raiders aren't a lock, they'd need a certain sequence of events to happen for them to be a lock.

    The "tie and your in" scenario still eliminates either team with a loss.
    I'm aware, your last paragraph is what I was responding to specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Inflicted Wounds View Post
    I'm aware, your last paragraph is what I was responding to specifically.
    Still the matter of playoff positioning. Huge difference between your wildcard game being away to Kansas or away to Cincinatti.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    Still the matter of playoff positioning. Huge difference between your wildcard game being away to Kansas or away to Cincinatti.
    Sigh, in your words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    If the Colts and Steelers both lose, the Raiders are in regardless of result. You think they'll take their foot off the gas and not take the opportunity to give a "fuck you" to the Chargers?
    I was responding to this specifically.

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    They can't afford to distribute practice reps as if the game won't matter. This whole discussion is elementary, without knowing the specific outcomes of the other games they can only prepare for the game to be important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Inflicted Wounds View Post
    Personally I think its a great time to get players some practice that might not normally get much time. Like why play Baker Mayfield right now
    This could’ve been said a lot this season for how injured and off he’s been, especially when they have fucking Chubb (and hunt?) But honestly he should sit, but if he did people would be screaming about his toughness or loyalty and some other junk, and that would be the narrative for him in a contract off season - “how committed to the game IS he?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    This could’ve been said a lot this season for how injured and off he’s been, especially when they have fucking Chubb (and hunt?) But honestly he should sit, but if he did people would be screaming about his toughness or loyalty and some other junk, and that would be the narrative for him in a contract off season - “how committed to the game IS he?”
    I mean, that's coming, cause he's not playing in the final week, that was already made clear earlier this week. He might even have surgery on his shoulder before the season officially closes, from what I read that's what they were considering.

    I also totally understand why. Browns have nothing to play for. Bengals are already in the playoffs and are only fighting for playoff positioning, and have already said that Burrow and several others won't play. There's literally zero reason for Baker to tough it out any further.

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    I'm fascinated by the discussion around Kirk Cousins. Here are his stats this year: 66% completion, 3971 yards (he missed a game, otherwise would have been over 4000), 30 TDs, 7 ints. That's 260 yards, 2 tds, and just under half an interception per game. Justin Herbert is at 289 yards, 2.2 tds, and twice as many interceptions as Cousins. Herbert is viewed as an unquestioned star, and Cousins is considered a liability. QBR has him as 15th in the league.

    I'm just wondering how teams can see a quarterback putting up those types of numbers and thinking, "we've got to get rid of this guy as soon as possible, maybe even take a cap hit to do it". That just seems wrong. Is that really where we are with quarterbacks in 2022 - if you're an efficient, slightly above average quarterback, you're a liability?

    It also strikes me as a "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" situation. The odds of meaningfully upgrading on that are very low. Why not just ride out the contract? I'm not sure it's wrong either - the question is, "Can you win a title with a slightly above average QB"?

    To me the answer is, maybe - here's the evidence:

    2018 Eagles
    2016 Broncos
    2013 Ravens
    2012 Giants

    4 of the past 10 champs have had ok not great play from qb. The Vikings have consistently had an above average offense and defensive performance tends to be volatile - they are two years removed from having a top 5 defense, but have been bad each of the past two years. If I'm them, I try to fix the D and keep riding it out with Cousins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    I'm fascinated by the discussion around Kirk Cousins. Here are his stats this year: 66% completion, 3971 yards (he missed a game, otherwise would have been over 4000), 30 TDs, 7 ints. That's 260 yards, 2 tds, and just under half an interception per game. Justin Herbert is at 289 yards, 2.2 tds, and twice as many interceptions as Cousins. Herbert is viewed as an unquestioned star, and Cousins is considered a liability. QBR has him as 15th in the league.

    I'm just wondering how teams can see a quarterback putting up those types of numbers and thinking, "we've got to get rid of this guy as soon as possible, maybe even take a cap hit to do it". That just seems wrong. Is that really where we are with quarterbacks in 2022 - if you're an efficient, slightly above average quarterback, you're a liability?
    Superbowl or bust.

    Also, now do those numbers and add how much they are making while doing it, then add how many more players the Chargers can sign with the money they are NOT spending on QBs. That difference is very real. It's why most teams that do not have Tom Brady have succeeded in the past 10-15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Superbowl or bust.

    Also, now do those numbers and add how much they are making while doing it, then add how many more players the Chargers can sign with the money they are NOT spending on QBs. That difference is very real. It's why most teams that do not have Tom Brady have succeeded in the past 10-15 years.
    It is the contract, which raises the question of why every decent qb gets a huge deal, then teams get upset when they're not worth it. But on the other side, it can work - the 2016 Broncos and 2012 Giants won with a high priced mediocre qb. The 2013 Ravens and 2018 Eagles won with low priced mediocre qbs. I find it hard to believe that the Vikings' chances will improve if they blow it up and start over. What are the odds of finding a top 15 qb in the first round - 20%? Cousins has a few more good years left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    It is the contract, which raises the question of why every decent qb gets a huge deal, then teams get upset when they're not worth it. But on the other side, it can work - the 2016 Broncos and 2012 Giants won with a high priced mediocre qb. The 2013 Ravens and 2018 Eagles won with low priced mediocre qbs. I find it hard to believe that the Vikings' chances will improve if they blow it up and start over. What are the odds of finding a top 15 qb in the first round - 20%? Cousins has a few more good years left.
    I don't know, you can't just look at box scores like that. He looks good there, and maybe he is good in fantasy, but there are other things that matter a lot. QBR at 15 just isn't very good. Cousins also notoriously chokes in prime time games. He gets rattled easily. He is surrounded by one of the best WRs in the league and two really good RBs, one being probably top 3 in the league. He lacks charisma, isn't showy,

    Also without spending too much time on it, compared with Herbert... well one of those players is in his what, second year? Thats why people are excited about him, and people genuinely seem to like him. You'd probably need to compare their SoS and the defenses they played as well. Looking at just the Vikings, they lost to everyone with a winning record(except the Chargers), the Lions, and the Browns. QBs get a lot of the blame/praise when it comes to wins and losses.

    On the other hand, LAC has beat the Chiefs, Raiders, Browns, Eagles, Bengals. Again, wins and losses weigh heavily on QBs, and Herbert is new and Cousins is not.

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    Cousins is just an average QB. Hes in that big blob of QBs that could all switch teams and no one would notice a difference in that team's offense. QB doesn't make anywhere near as much of a difference as some people try to them it out to be as long as they aren't bad. Good play calling and o-line play make a massive amount of difference in comparison.

    Just as an example, if you put any QB on the Giants/Broncos/Bears/etc right now, they would look bad. If you put Mitch Trubisky (since everyone knows how bad Nagy is now) on the Ravens/Bucs/Cowboys/Rams, etc he would probably be getting a ton of praise.

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