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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Not to try and talk "the future" given the news is still breaking but this is gonna suck for Raiders fans.

    Gruden was basically the guy standing between the team and dealing Carr, so they're probably going to deal Carr now in the offseason and suck for a few years while they look for "the guy."

    Not to mention with Gruden gone probably means another culture reset which means more wasted draft picks on culture guys.

    Any promise this team has I think went down the drain with those emails.
    See, this is the kind of shit I don't buy. The talk was endlessly how Gruden was looking to ship Carr and bring in his own guy. Every.Fucking.Offseason we had this shit.

    Now he's apparently the reason we kept Carr? I'm not seeing it.


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  2. #1462
    Good riddance to Gruden. I hope he crawls under a rock never to be seen/heard from again. Even before all these emails leaked, I've always thought of him as a smug, egotistical, overrated asshole who won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team. Keyshawn Johnson must be feeling pretty redeemed right now. While he never said anything specific to the racism/sexism/homophobia from Gruden, he has been telling everyone for years what a terrible person Gruden is in general.

    Also, this is the best news the Raiders could have possibly gotten, to get out from under his ridiculous contract.
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    This game is wild, its like at the half Baltimore was like " fine I guess we have to try"

    Also I never liked Gruden either, when I heard he was coming back to coach I rolled my eyes for sure.

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    They can still draft a guy and keep Carr, he's on the last year of his deal next year.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    More Gruden EMails are leaking. It doesn't look good. Homophobic slurs, railing against women refs, protests during the anthems, and lamenting the pressure to draft "queers" when Michael Sam announced he was gay pre-draft in 2014. Might be awkward since Gruden has the one openly gay starting player in the league on his team.
    I would’ve thought the opposite, maybe show that him having an openly gay guy on his team being treated like everyone else would show the comments were outdated or he was exaggerating. Unless he has actually treated him worse or different or tried to trade him etc.
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    I'm not sure if you guys have noticed but sometimes I say things that are kind of dumb
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    I just like reading about the "vigorous rubbing" that might affect ball inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Chargers are real, question is can they keep this up the full season. History with them has shown they'll find the cliff eventually.

    If I had to guess, Browns-Bills AFC Championship. Somebody's suffering's gonna be at an end this year.
    I mean you say that, but then the Bills get to the super bowl and pull an Atlanta against Tom Brady. In many ways that would be worse than just being an awful team for a Bills fan I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cordrann View Post
    I mean you say that, but then the Bills get to the super bowl and pull an Atlanta against Tom Brady. In many ways that would be worse than just being an awful team for a Bills fan I would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cordrann View Post
    I mean you say that, but then the Bills get to the super bowl and pull an Atlanta against Tom Brady. In many ways that would be worse than just being an awful team for a Bills fan I would think.
    Especially for any that remember meeting Dallas in the Super Bowl in 93… the only good part of that game for most of them was the halftime show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    I would’ve thought the opposite, maybe show that him having an openly gay guy on his team being treated like everyone else would show the comments were outdated or he was exaggerating. Unless he has actually treated him worse or different or tried to trade him etc.
    These were private emails between himself and Bruce Allen (unless I missed something), so he could have used completely different language in front of the team. There have already been current/former players that defended him on the racist stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Especially for any that remember meeting Dallas in the Super Bowl in 93… the only good part of that game for most of them was the halftime show.
    I remember '93. We got spanked and had to take a moral victory with Don Beebe stripping Deon Lett of a surefire fumble return for a TD. We still lost 52-17, which I think is still the worst margin of victory in SB history (certainly was at the time).

    '94, against the same Cowboys, was way worse. We were leading after halftime, got the ball, and were driving to probably make it a two TD game. And then Thurman Thomas, Hall of Fame running back and as sure-handed as they get, got stripped of the ball, and the Cowboys returned it for a TD to tie the game up. The camera panned on the Buffalo bench, and everyone's head was hanging, and even though it was tied like a minute in to the 3rd quarter, everyone knew we were losing then. The weight of 4 Super Bowl losses sunk in right there. It made me sick to my stomach.

    I was also almost 13, and going through puberty. Talk about formative experiences. It's why I still hate the Cowboys more than the Patriots to this day. I had learned how to deal with suffering by the time of the rise of Tom Brady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grube View Post
    These were private emails between himself and Bruce Allen (unless I missed something), so he could have used completely different language in front of the team. There have already been current/former players that defended him on the racist stuff.
    One interesting note: Bruce Allen is the brother of George Allen, former Governor and Senator from Virginia, who ended up losing a re-election bid in 2006, likely in part to his own racist controversy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...ca_controversy

    I haven't heard Bruce comment on any of this, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to know that he was completely comfortable with the things Gruden was saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I remember '93. We got spanked and had to take a moral victory with Don Beebe stripping Deon Lett of a surefire fumble return for a TD. We still lost 52-17, which I think is still the worst margin of victory in SB history (certainly was at the time).
    I looked this up because I was curious if the Seahawks - broncos sb beat it. They were both by 35 but tied for third most points differential.

    http://mcubed.net/nfl/sbptmar.shtml

    1 45 1990/01/28 San Francisco 49ers 55 - Denver Broncos 10
    2 36 1986/01/26 Chicago Bears 46 - New England Patriots 10
    3 35 1993/01/31 Dallas Cowboys 52 - Buffalo Bills 17
    3 35 2014/02/02 Seattle Seahawks 43 - Denver Broncos 8
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumboy View Post
    I'm not sure if you guys have noticed but sometimes I say things that are kind of dumb
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    I just like reading about the "vigorous rubbing" that might affect ball inflation.

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    Weird, I coulda sworn it was the worst point differential in any SB. Maybe it would have been the worst ever if Beebe hadn't have stopped Leon Lett's fumble return? That might have been it.

    Dumb how your memory warps shit over the years.

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    Can someone explain how out of 650,000 emails reviewed by the league , only offensive e-mails by Gruden were leaked? I have every confidence to believe that Snyder sent offensive stuff in his toxic organization. Either more stuff is coming out or this is an early ray rice type cover up. He was just going to be suspended when the nfl had already seen the KO video. Then the video got leaked and he was basically out of the league. There has to be more bad e-mails.

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    Thanks for leaving the 5th biggest SB loss off. That list would have been rough.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Can someone explain how out of 650,000 emails reviewed by the league , only offensive e-mails by Gruden were leaked? I have every confidence to believe that Snyder sent offensive stuff in his toxic organization. Either more stuff is coming out or this is an early ray rice type cover up. He was just going to be suspended when the nfl had already seen the KO video. Then the video got leaked and he was basically out of the league. There has to be more bad e-mails.
    Gruden isn't part of the investigation going on into the Redskins (can they pick a new name already?) is the most likely reason.

    Or another is the NFL leaked them because Goodell got upset about what Gruden said about him. I don't think it was even close to a coincidence that the DeMaurice Smith one was leaked when he needed votes from the dumb players that he does a terrible job representing. The rest though, only the people leaking know why.

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    #ReleasetheSnyderCut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    #ReleasetheSnyderCut!
    This I can get behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cordrann View Post
    I mean you say that, but then the Bills get to the super bowl and pull an Atlanta against Tom Brady. In many ways that would be worse than just being an awful team for a Bills fan I would think.
    There's no shame in losing to Brady in the Superbowl. Losing in the manner that Atlanta did, on the other hand, is another story
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post

    I was also almost 13, and going through puberty. Talk about formative experiences. It's why I still hate the Cowboys more than the Patriots to this day. I had learned how to deal with suffering by the time of the rise of Tom Brady.
    The 4 losses covered grades 6-9 for me as a young lad. Being that I didn't live in Buffalo the Mondays after the superbowl consisted of everyone at school rubbing it in..... all fucking day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    There's no shame in losing to Brady in the Superbowl. Losing in the manner that Atlanta did, on the hand, is another story
    There's losing, then there's rolling over and dying like the Falcons did. I'd know, I still remember when the Packers did that to the Seahawks in the Playoffs.
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