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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    Seems the consensus feels this is worse in FFXIV.

    Either way, people who hate on either game just to hate on it are not worth responding to.

    True...wise words
    People on this thread only get pissed at you when you don't agree with them...FACT

  2. #542
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshimiko View Post
    My favorite class can't play with other people, the community is one of the worst communities I've ever been a part of and mandatory railroaded quests with a price tag to enjoy anything else. No addon support and static rotations definitely don't help things.
    What price tag are you talking about here?

  3. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by bloodwulf View Post
    It doesn't help that I barely remember the ARR storyline having completed it years ago. Hell I cant remember any of the names, I just label them as Angry Potato Lady, the pale twins, emo dragoon guy etc.

    I am hoping when i play though shadowbringers i actually feel something for the characters. Everyone i have ever spoken with said that ARR and first expack where boring, but Stormblood hasnt been much better. I think they have a serious problem have having too many side characters all pulling different directions.
    I only remember one, thancred, and thats because the son of a bitch made walk half a map just to tell me i look cute and go somewhere else

  4. #544
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    In no certain ranking order:


    2) Community - By far, the worst community of any MMO I've ever played, and I've played a lot. The most unwelcoming, condescending, bullying and berating community I've experienced. I feel bad for all the new players I've seen get bombarded with absolutely unnecessary rude comments for nothing more than asking questions, trying to get their feet wet. I know some people have said it's a great community but many others have replied that the "this is a great community" evaporates once you leave town and reach level 15 and they're not wrong.


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    Sad to hear.
    Im new to FF14 and I havent met a friendlier community since 2005ish lol
    Everyone chats, gives advice, cheers on me if I fail in dungeons to mechanics and help me out if I need

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    You are not even exaggerating that much, some idiot bothered to create new account here just to tell me that I should die from corona for criticizing patch 5.3.
    Yup, I remember that. Even screenshot the words and shared it to other people. It's nutty.

  6. #546
    Quote Originally Posted by Rootsbum View Post
    Sad to hear.
    Im new to FF14 and I havent met a friendlier community since 2005ish lol
    Everyone chats, gives advice, cheers on me if I fail in dungeons to mechanics and help me out if I need
    Many new players think this. I was one of them! However, that evaporates quickly.

  7. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by Rootsbum View Post
    Sad to hear.
    Im new to FF14 and I havent met a friendlier community since 2005ish lol
    Everyone chats, gives advice, cheers on me if I fail in dungeons to mechanics and help me out if I need
    I wouldn't be worried, having played FFXIV off and on since its inception I find all the "bad community" posts extremely baffling because I can count the problems ive had with the community on 1 hand still. Compared to WoW where 1 hand wouldnt get me through a M+ session.

  8. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by Rezark View Post
    I wouldn't be worried, having played FFXIV off and on since its inception I find all the "bad community" posts extremely baffling because I can count the problems ive had with the community on 1 hand still. Compared to WoW where 1 hand wouldnt get me through a M+ session.
    And comments like these baffle me. I've played WoW and FFXIV since the beginning and I'll take the WoW community over this one any time, any day. I mean, anybody who has hung out in the sub for FFXIV and still says the community is nice is just flat-out being dishonest and they know it. In game, it's not QUITE as bad as the sub but of all the MMOs I've played, this one has the nastiest people. Pretty much everywhere I've been for this game, that's the consensus. I prefer the gameplay in FFXIV much more.

    M+ is like a whole separate beast. Imagine how people are in M+ but acting that way to randoms in simple leveling duties.

  9. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    And comments like these baffle me. I've played WoW and FFXIV since the beginning and I'll take the WoW community over this one any time, any day. I mean, anybody who has hung out in the sub for FFXIV and still says the community is nice is just flat-out being dishonest and they know it. In game, it's not QUITE as bad as the sub but of all the MMOs I've played, this one has the nastiest people. Pretty much everywhere I've been for this game, that's the consensus. I prefer the gameplay in FFXIV much more.

    M+ is like a whole separate beast. Imagine how people are in M+ but acting that way to randoms in simple leveling duties.
    I've never seen this. Infact I've seen the total opposite. Telling someone how to do mechanics when they fail, giving them tip, and they treat you like you're the devil. "You don't pay my fucking sub. If I wanted to ask I would've asked! I don't play this game to interact with others so keep quiet." Etc.

    Chances are you'll get reported aswell.

  10. #550
    Talking about how "nice" communities are is silly anyway. A "community" isn't some monolithic thing. There are pockets of really nice people and really big assholes in every game.

    That and people are really likely to just say that the "community" is better in the game they like, and worse in games they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    And comments like these baffle me. I've played WoW and FFXIV since the beginning and I'll take the WoW community over this one any time, any day. I mean, anybody who has hung out in the sub for FFXIV and still says the community is nice is just flat-out being dishonest and they know it. In game, it's not QUITE as bad as the sub but of all the MMOs I've played, this one has the nastiest people. Pretty much everywhere I've been for this game, that's the consensus. I prefer the gameplay in FFXIV much more.

    M+ is like a whole separate beast. Imagine how people are in M+ but acting that way to randoms in simple leveling duties.
    I really feel like you been insulted or hurt by the sub and are blowing things out of proportion. I have played wow for 15 years and still do, and i have played FF on and off for 5ish years, and i prefer the FF community to WOWs. I dont think the subreddits should be presentative of the entire population. Both subs for both games are awful, but that is a large part of the Reddit Gestalt. Most game communities on Reddit are breeding grounds for toxicity, that is why so man games have offshoot subs with NOSalt in their name, but then those become an echo chamber of game worship. Any community that you can suppress through votes differing views, is going to evolve into majority rules.

    Since i am a returner, i have been sitting in novice network again, and the helpfulness of that group is great, but its not isolated to that. I have done MSQ Full Parties that i either don't remember or have not done, and every time i lag behind they wait for me to catch up before engaging bosses. That will literally happen in at most 1 out of 30 LFRs in WOW. I have not yet had a single bad leveling duty, this morning a tank stopped and helped a healer with her spell priority and no one got antsy or started face pulling, WOW you don't see that anymore.

    I still love WOW, but never have I ever considered its community a good bunch.
    We live in an era of "me versus them", an era where something is done that you don't like means you are personally attacked. People whine too much.
    Let us play video games and be happy.

  12. #552
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I've never seen this. Infact I've seen the total opposite. Telling someone how to do mechanics when they fail, giving them tip, and they treat you like you're the devil. "You don't pay my fucking sub. If I wanted to ask I would've asked! I don't play this game to interact with others so keep quiet." Etc.

    Chances are you'll get reported aswell.
    I didn't see it when I was new either.

    It's funny you mentioned the concept of giving people tips. Many discussions I've seen where people claimed they were just giving people tips, they were (as described earlier) rude and condescending about it. A guy says "wtf use your damn cds scrub" and when the guy retorts in kind, he tells his friends "lol wow, this guy is mad at me and all I was doing was trying to help him out".

    You are right, people do get reported in-game which is why it's not so prominent there. Go to the sub for this game, you'll see it. It's extremely common. I help people and answer questions often and I see all the time how people are treated. One time, a new guy came there from another MMO and was trying to learn our lingo and get information. He got flamed and even told "We'd prefer if you didn't play, you'll probably end up being dead weight". That comment within a day was upvoted 50 times.

    The game itself is fun but as an objective person who isn't trying to force the "rose-tinted glasses", I feel bad when others are dishonest about the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodwulf View Post
    I really feel like you been insulted or hurt by the sub and are blowing things out of proportion. I have played wow for 15 years and still do, and i have played FF on and off for 5ish years, and i prefer the FF community to WOWs. I dont think the subreddits should be presentative of the entire population. Both subs for both games are awful, but that is a large part of the Reddit Gestalt. Most game communities on Reddit are breeding grounds for toxicity, that is why so man games have offshoot subs with NOSalt in their name, but then those become an echo chamber of game worship. Any community that you can suppress through votes differing views, is going to evolve into majority rules.

    Since i am a returner, i have been sitting in novice network again, and the helpfulness of that group is great, but its not isolated to that. I have done MSQ Full Parties that i either don't remember or have not done, and every time i lag behind they wait for me to catch up before engaging bosses. That will literally happen in at most 1 out of 30 LFRs in WOW. I have not yet had a single bad leveling duty, this morning a tank stopped and helped a healer with her spell priority and no one got antsy or started face pulling, WOW you don't see that anymore.

    I still love WOW, but never have I ever considered its community a good bunch.
    Nope, I'm just not going to be dishonest about it. I will say, this is the only forum I've ever seen where anyone has said the FF community is better. Sometimes, I can tell some of the people saying it are either new but pretend they're not or are trying to wind people up. Granted, the sub hosts some of the absolute worst of the worst yet the WoW sub is leaps and bounds friendlier.

    One of the reasons many do not say bad things as often as you'd see it in WoW is because WoW is PC only. You have a keyboard right in front of you for typing out bad things. Lots of people on FFXIV play on console and do not have immediate keyboards. Typing out comments without one is sometimes more effort than it's worth. However, get to a place where you can type and the gloves come off.

  13. #553
    The problem is, it's all anecdotal. Your saying people are being dishonest. I've been playing FF14 on and off since ARR launched. More often on then off. And thats not my experience at all. In all my time playing FF14, I can think of two events showing any sort of nastiness, and the one, the person being nasty got berated by the rest of the group.

    On the other hand, in WoW, almost every time I ran LFR there was bs going on. Most groups for heroic dungeons where fine, but thats because people tear through them without a thought pretty soon after release. I don't even touch M+, the nature of the system just breeds toxicity.

    Ah. I see the issue now. Your basing your thoughts of the community off of the reddit board. Most video game sub reddits are trash. The only ones I enjoy being a part of are the warhammer groups, and the Xbox series x group. Every time I join a sub for a video game it's the same garbage. Tons of crappy memes that barely make sense, tons of crappy fan art. And any decent conversations are forced into mega threads you most likely won't actually see. I don't use reddit as a gauge on how a games community is.
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  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    I didn't see it when I was new either.
    Well I've been playing for almost 6 years now and I've had more good experiences than bad tbh. Also I don't really visit the ffxiv subreddit since its mostly art thats being upvoted and I can find that anywhere else if I wanted to.

  15. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    I didn't see it when I was new either.

    It's funny you mentioned the concept of giving people tips. Many discussions I've seen where people claimed they were just giving people tips, they were (as described earlier) rude and condescending about it. A guy says "wtf use your damn cds scrub" and when the guy retorts in kind, he tells his friends "lol wow, this guy is mad at me and all I was doing was trying to help him out".

    You are right, people do get reported in-game which is why it's not so prominent there. Go to the sub for this game, you'll see it. It's extremely common. I help people and answer questions often and I see all the time how people are treated. One time, a new guy came there from another MMO and was trying to learn our lingo and get information. He got flamed and even told "We'd prefer if you didn't play, you'll probably end up being dead weight". That comment within a day was upvoted 50 times.
    So in essence people can't be dicks in game because then they get reported and banned, but since people on the internet are dicks they find other ways to be dicks to each other.

    Am I the only one that finds this approach of FF kinda childish? "Don't be mean to each other! Or else...!" What are we? Seven years old? I don't need a game to tell me to behave... I can take a guy being an ass to me, I shoot back and that's that. Not like I am ever gonna see that person again.

    There are limits of course and some stuff needs to be sanctioned, but geez, we are grownups and should be able to handle a normal level of unfriendliness. FF is definately going too far and treats people like sensible snowflakes. Hearing that their videos can't be voted on or commented kinda makes me think that that is the idea. They try to opress negative behaviour, but it only leads to it spilling in other ways.

  16. #556
    Yes, it is anecdotal but the consensus is what it is. I'm don't like to say anyone is being dishonest but when someone says something and you know for a fact it's wrong, you kind of look at your screen with a :/ face. You don't want to be judgmental because there could be a good reason. Not everyone who says something that isn't true is doing it to deliberately be dishonest. Sometimes, they're just repeating what someone else has said, have an extremely low sample size or are in the "new and shiny" phase.

    I think LFR gets a bad reputation and social comments make people exacerbate it. You are right about M+. It's not as bad as this game's sub but it is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    So in essence people can't be dicks in game because then they get reported and banned, but since people on the internet are dicks they find other ways to be dicks to each other.

    Am I the only one that finds this approach of FF kinda childish? "Don't be mean to each other! Or else...!" What are we? Seven years old? I don't need a game to tell me to behave... I can take a guy being an ass to me, I shoot back and that's that. Not like I am ever gonna see that person again.

    There are limits of course and some stuff needs to be sanctioned, but geez, we are grownups and should be able to handle a normal level of unfriendliness. FF is definately going too far and treats people like sensible snowflakes. Hearing that their videos can't be voted on or commented kinda makes me think that that is the idea. They try to opress negative behaviour, but it only leads to it spilling in other ways.
    Pretty much.

    I'm a rare breed of person who is respectful to others. Yes, the odds are that I will never meet you in real life and even if I did, I would never know that you are Raisei from the MMO Champion forums however, that's no reason for me to be rude or disrespectful to you. You didn't do anything to me.

    If I didn't like someone's video, I'll "dislike" and possibly say why. "You talked a lot about XXX but didn't show it for those who are visual learners. Instead, you showed videos of you flying around". Or I may not say anything at all. I don't think replying with "Your video is garbage, unsubscribe to the internet" really adds value.

    Yes, we're all adults and learn to grow thick skin but man, some people are just unnecessarily rude. Internet tough-guy syndrome is real.
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  17. #557
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    Pretty much ever race (except the cat dudes) is a human with stuff added to it, and the only non-human race is male-only. Plus, you can just tell it's a Jrpg. Just look at how the characters look, plus your player character just does these really 'fake' looking expressions (shocked open mouth look, head tilt, shaking her/his head) which I just... am annoyed by.

    Plus, no trolls , and the elves have weird looking ears

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  18. #558
    Class design related things mostly.

    The 2.5s gcd with ogcds feels slow and awful, it at best gets passable but never feels good to me. One of those peeves I have when new players are asking about it and the FF14 community swears up and down that everything feels great and EVEN FASTER THAN WOW! once you level up which is absolutely untrue. Just leads people to disappointment later when they realize that isn't the case.

    Other thing is how homogenized everything is.

    Oh and finally the bloat for bloats sake. Lots of things like 3 button combos that could easily be 1 rotating button with no change in gameplay.
    ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands.

  19. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromantic View Post
    Yes, it is anecdotal but the consensus is what it is.
    It's weird that you keep saying "the consensus". Where is this idea of there being a consensus coming from? You've got people saying WoW is nice, you've got people saying XIV is nice, you've got people saying both suck, and in the end it's all anecdotal and subjective.

    I've always had pretty good experiences in XIV compared to WoW. The only exception would probably be pugging raids, which is a shitshow in basically any game, so I don't really hold that against XIV in particular.

  20. #560
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    It's weird that you keep saying "the consensus". Where is this idea of there being a consensus coming from? You've got people saying WoW is nice, you've got people saying XIV is nice, you've got people saying both suck, and in the end it's all anecdotal and subjective.

    I've always had pretty good experiences in XIV compared to WoW. The only exception would probably be pugging raids, which is a shitshow in basically any game, so I don't really hold that against XIV in particular.
    As I mentioned, this is literally the only forum I've ever posted on where more than a couple people are saying it's a nice community. Which is the reason why I'm a bit skeptical. Heck, even in other forums, when you see someone say it's a great community, 9 out of 10 of those people have not even obtained their first job stone.

    Just a strange observation...

    I'm not trying to tell that guy that every single person in this game is horrible because that's not true either. There are good and helpful people. Even in other forums where a new guy asks for help and he gets 15 replies laughing at him or telling him to go play another game, you'll get a couple people who actually point them in the right direction.

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