What problems do you have with Final Fantasy 14?

[crusadernero]

I have never liked the FF games to begin with. The style/art of it all, never been for me. I've seen gameplay trailers of the MMO and heard what content creators say about it, but I dont care. Its not for me and i'll never bother to try it either. Dont care what other people think of it, its my opinion and I wont ever touch it.

That said - if others like it, cool. Doesnt make me want to play it either way. Feel sorry for streamers being spammed everyday about playing it when many of the just find the game not appealing for X reasons.

Btw - I dont think Finaly Fantasy is the MMO people are searching for. its gaining traction right now cause wow is in a really bad state and people are waiting for new MMOs. Will the MMORPG fans ever find a game that captures them like wow did? I doubt it. Thats probably for next generation of gamers.

[Soikona]

Players that care about their performance are being persecuted in the game by the developers and they encourage the entitled players to snitch on them.
It can quite obvious be seen by the fact that players that are competitive and care about their performance have to go "underground" in order to play with like-minded people.

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WoW has, in regards to PVE, an official ladders for M+, you also have a thriving out-of-game ladder-tool in the shape of raider.io that is going to be implemented in-game. In regards for raiding you also have an official ladder.
You also have very well developed performance measuring tools from dps-meters to logs, not "underground freedom tools" like in FFXIV.

All that means that you can compare yourself to your peers on an individual level to a group level. There can be no competition and competitiveness without a robust system for measuring performance.
The developers of WoW supports the use of such tools, both in-game and out of game. The developers of FFXIV do nothing of such sort, they actually persecute and encourage those that wont' do their best to snitch and harass those that want to be the best they can be.

What you call co-op competitive is why I am being pushed away from WoW. The days of working together to take down a powerful boss are gone, and the fan fare to go with it. Now, after a boss is defeated it’s just bullshit whining about their logs.

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Ff14 players aren’t as toxic as wows for the most part, but they are way more Defensive.

Say you dislike any part of ff14, and the pitchforks come out

Example: I don’t personally like the feminine art style, which is fine if someone else does, but because I think it looks dainty and feminine (even by ff or jrpg standards) I’d be crucified in the community

I dunno, I have many of times said it’s way too weeb for me, including the story, and all I get is normally a “fair enough”.

[Kalisandra]

This goes back to the screenshots I posted last week. There are IME nearly 20-35% of players I get matched with who do less damage than simply mashing their 1 key over and over. That should not be OK. I've never once joined a WoW party where I had a player who literally did SO little damage that they did less damage than me spamming a single key over and over. The reason for that is because they would be excluded or called out.

Hunters doing nothing but autoshot used to be a thing, in the day. Autoshot+pet DPS was enough that it wasn't immediately apparent that they were next to AFK, so they'd often get away with it for a while.

The difference between a good hunter and a bad one was amazing, not least because hunters used mana and you had to properly manage it to do your best DPS.

[Aliven]

I think there's something called constructive criticism which is different from being a douche bag.
It's very easy to help others improve without being toxic and it actually has a chance of making a difference. You can't treat people like dogs and yell at them when they make a mistake and expect them to listen to you.

From psychologicall standpoint the best way to influence people in games is not to talk to them but lead by example, be patient for their mistakes and provide feedback WHEN ASKED for it.

[Necromantic]

From psychologicall standpoint the best way to influence people in games is not to talk to them but lead by example, be patient for their mistakes and provide feedback WHEN ASKED for it.

^

This guy gets it.

So many who berate others and believe they're "just trying to help" or giving unsolicited advice are not the best ways to help the the bottom line improve.

[Mojo03]

I’d have a much easier time getting into it if they simply updated the engine to dx12 and fixed the horrible AA.

Hopefully Endwalker, but seems like something they would of announced that at fan fest if it’s being done.

Though I’ve heard they don’t really announce all the stuff in new expos til a month or so before they release new expos.

[uncl55]

Too anime style for me, cant stand to look at it. Myabe its a fine game, but not for me.

[justandulas]

What you call co-op competitive is why I am being pushed away from WoW. The days of working together to take down a powerful boss are gone, and the fan fare to go with it. Now, after a boss is defeated it’s just bullshit whining about their logs.

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I dunno, I have many of times said it’s way too weeb for me, including the story, and all I get is normally a “fair enough”.

Strangely, when I said I didn’t enjoy it’s art style because it’s too feminine, or weeb, or furry... I got called racist, sexist, or prejudice because I said I didn’t enjoy the art style

I normally like jrpg art and even ff art. The ff7 remake art was wonderful to look at

But ff14 takes it in way too feminine and dainty of a direction for me

And saying that got me pages of hate messages on YouTube, this site, and another mmo forum

Ff14 has great fans but it also has the most Defensive and thin skinned in mmorpg

I can say I hate retail WoW for xyz, and people won’t care, but heaven forbid I say “I hate the soft feminine art of ff14” without them taking that personally

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Big difference between leading someone to improve and berating them.

And no, that’s not part of being an adult. Being an adult is about learning to compose yourself in a mature manner.

I agree, and I meant it in a constructive criticism not a belittling way but the reality is not every gamer is capable of doing high end content

For example: I knew a sweet player once who was dumb as a brick. Total sweetheart tho, but honest to god didn’t know directions so when it was time to do “raid group move south. Move north” etc... she openly asked which way north was. Which was funny the first time, but 2 weeks into the fight and 50 attempts later she still doesn’t know how to read simple n/s/e/w on a map

There’s no shame in telling someone (kindly) that they are hitting the bench because they aren’t getting this and it’s one fail too many. Patience is fine but patience also has limits and gamers, no matter who, do have limitations of their skills. Not every player is capable of hard content

[ippollite]

Strangely, when I said I didn’t enjoy it’s art style because it’s too feminine, or weeb, or furry... I got called racist, sexist, or prejudice because I said I didn’t enjoy the art style

I normally like jrpg art and even ff art. The ff7 remake art was wonderful to look at

But ff14 takes it in way too feminine and dainty of a direction for me

And saying that got me pages of hate messages on YouTube, this site, and another mmo forum

Ff14 has great fans but it also has the most Defensive and thin skinned in mmorpg

I can say I hate retail WoW for xyz, and people won’t care, but heaven forbid I say “I hate the soft feminine art of ff14” without them taking that personally

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I agree, and I meant it in a constructive criticism not a belittling way but the reality is not every gamer is capable of doing high end content

For example: I knew a sweet player once who was dumb as a brick. Total sweetheart tho, but honest to god didn’t know directions so when it was time to do “raid group move south. Move north” etc... she openly asked which way north was. Which was funny the first time, but 2 weeks into the fight and 50 attempts later she still doesn’t know how to read simple n/s/e/w on a map

There’s no shame in telling someone (kindly) that they are hitting the bench because they aren’t getting this and it’s one fail too many. Patience is fine but patience also has limits and gamers, no matter who, do have limitations of their skills. Not every player is capable of hard content

I'm going to apologize. I over reacted.

[justandulas]

I'm going to apologize. I over reacted.

Apology accepted, forgiven and consider it water under the bridge. We all have bad days, myself included

I was asked what I dislike about the ff14 and in particular the art style hits my eyes wrong. So did wildstar’s for example

Now, something I adore about ff14? The music and sound design. The music is so perfectly ff, same for the sound, and my mounts having their own theme music? *chefs kiss* perfection. Every game should emulate their quality of sound design

I also had way too much fun racing Chocobo’s and wasting time in the casino. I never did hit the weekly numbers tho but that’s ok

There’s a lot I really do like about ff14, from the sound, to the monster design, to the class animations, housing done properly, etc

[Necromantic]

I agree, and I meant it in a constructive criticism not a belittling way but the reality is not every gamer is capable of doing high end content

For example: I knew a sweet player once who was dumb as a brick. Total sweetheart tho, but honest to god didn’t know directions so when it was time to do “raid group move south. Move north” etc... she openly asked which way north was. Which was funny the first time, but 2 weeks into the fight and 50 attempts later she still doesn’t know how to read simple n/s/e/w on a map

There’s no shame in telling someone (kindly) that they are hitting the bench because they aren’t getting this and it’s one fail too many. Patience is fine but patience also has limits and gamers, no matter who, do have limitations of their skills. Not every player is capable of hard content

That's fine. Too often when people say "constructive criticism", they're referring to berating people. I appreciate if someone is a nice person. On the same token, if someone just isn't cutting the mustard, vote/kicking or benching (if in your premade) is what needs to be done. Some experienced guilds, clans, FC, etc will even have an agreement that you'll read before joining which will tell you that you're on a trial basis and expected to reach a certain point in X amount of time. I always recommend this to take out the possibility of cherry picking and ruining your reputation.

[justandulas]

That's fine. Too often when people say "constructive criticism", they're referring to berating people. I appreciate if someone is a nice person. On the same token, if someone just isn't cutting the mustard, vote/kicking or benching (if in your premade) is what needs to be done. Some experienced guilds, clans, FC, etc will even have an agreement that you'll read before joining which will tell you that you're on a trial basis and expected to reach a certain point in X amount of time. I always recommend this to take out the possibility of cherry picking and ruining your reputation.

I have never belittled anyone over a game, i'm captain encouragement if anything. I'd much rather build someone up than hurt someone's feelings.

that said, if someone is repeatedly failing a fight and your guild can't kill mythic boss cuz 1-2 players continuously screw up a simple mechanic for weeks on end... how long do you just ignore that?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with politely telling someone "Look, you've died to this mechanic way too many times. we've explained it, we've been patient, and your DPS is half of what the other DPS is. Sorry my dude but you've gotta hit the bench until further notice". I understand people don't like to be benched, but the reality is not everyone is capable of doing every bit of content.

There's a difference between challenging oneself, and handicapping a group. At a certain point, the group is going to demand change and ask the questions that management should have asked and see above paragraph about benching someone.

Some people take that really personally tho, no matter how kind you act about it. That's what i meant about constructive criticism and being able to take it. A lot of the younger generation can't mentally handle the idea that they aren't the center of the gaming universe and lash out if they are benched

[Darkimpact]

Maybe this has changed (as I haven't played in many years) but the game felt disjointed. Like I was a pilot rather than my character. Input commands, wait a bit for the ship to execute. The delay made my brain hurt.

[Necromantic]

I have never belittled anyone over a game, i'm captain encouragement if anything. I'd much rather build someone up than hurt someone's feelings.

that said, if someone is repeatedly failing a fight and your guild can't kill mythic boss cuz 1-2 players continuously screw up a simple mechanic for weeks on end... how long do you just ignore that?

Your guild should define that stuff ahead of time. You can set any entrance requirements you want.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with politely telling someone "Look, you've died to this mechanic way too many times. we've explained it, we've been patient, and your DPS is half of what the other DPS is. Sorry my dude but you've gotta hit the bench until further notice". I understand people don't like to be benched, but the reality is not everyone is capable of doing every bit of content.

You're right, there isn't. In a guild setting, that's exactly what I would say. I know some here are referring to random groups, which it's best to just kick. Being random, you waste time trying to explain why you're kicking.

There's a difference between challenging oneself, and handicapping a group. At a certain point, the group is going to demand change and ask the questions that management should have asked and see above paragraph about benching someone.

Again, I agree with you.

Some people take that really personally tho, no matter how kind you act about it. That's what i meant about constructive criticism and being able to take it. A lot of the younger generation can't mentally handle the idea that they aren't the center of the gaming universe and lash out if they are benched

That's why I have personal beefs with the newer generation (last decade) of gamers. If benching isn't enough, kicking out of the guild may be necessary. I've had to do it myself. Sometimes, group content isn't for everyone.

[Kalisandra]

Except you're not even remotely right. Nobody is going to get on your case for how you play the game. Nobody is going to report you unless you're being a jerk in chat. Since you are claiming people report others for "playing their character the very best they can" shows that you probably got suspended for harassing people about their performance and used DPS meters to shame people. Like people do constantly in WoW.

As Katchii said, thank you for no longer playing FFXIV

See, the funny thing is, people were getting on my case in FFXIV for 'not playing right'. They really don't like you not DPSing when you're a healer. I got yelled at for this even though the reason for not doing much DPS was that the actual DPS kept standing in stuff, so I had to actually heal.

[justandulas]

Well, "weeb" really is a bit of an...insult? I don't want to go so far as calling it a slur, but it's not exactly nice either.

"Feminine" is a strange criticism, too. There's no shortage of "masculine" characters and options if that's what you're after. I'm not even entirely sure what this means, to be honest.

Even the most “masculine” of characters looks like they just spent time at the spa and beauty salon. It is far more feminine of an art style than any other FF game.

Notice the new race is literally a male bunny man wearing women’s clothing in the trailer for it. Nuff said

Ff14 isn’t the only game who’s art is a detriment, I felt the same way about wildstar for example

And it isn’t just me, scroll all the pages of this thread and it may surprise you to see the art is the #1 reason listed for people why not ff14

Art is subjective tho, you may love what I hate and vice versa and that’s ok. The monster art looks great but the character models all crawled out of one of my daughters Disney channel shows

[Forteofgray]

I’d have a much easier time getting into it if they simply updated the engine to dx12 and fixed the horrible AA.

Hopefully Endwalker, but seems like something they would of announced that at fan fest if it’s being done.

Though I’ve heard they don’t really announce all the stuff in new expos til a month or so before they release new expos.

Maybe we're just totally different people but I can't fathom not getting into a game because of the graphics not having good AA or anything like that.

[Aliven]

Even the most “masculine” of characters looks like they just spent time at the spa and beauty salon. It is far more feminine of an art style than any other FF game.

While i agree to some extent what is wrong with mens caring about theyr look?

In FF, at least from 7 onwards we get male protagonist which fall into those categories. Cloud, Squall, Zidane, Tidus, Noctis are all boysband lookalike. I would say that FF14 fits right in, hell you can at least make your character with a beard, which is like, unheard off.

[Soikona]

Well, "weeb" really is a bit of an...insult? I don't want to go so far as calling it a slur, but it's not exactly nice either.

"Feminine" is a strange criticism, too. There's no shortage of "masculine" characters and options if that's what you're after. I'm not even entirely sure what this means, to be honest.

Tbf, FF14 doesn’t have anything purely masculine for character creation at least. You have the human high lander one, I think it’s that anyway, but it’s not
dirt to the earth masculine.

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While i agree to some extent what is wrong with mens caring about theyr look?

In FF, at least from 7 onwards we get male protagonist which fall into those categories. Cloud, Squall, Zidane, Tidus, Noctis are all boysband lookalike. I would say that FF14 fits right in, hell you can at least make your character with a beard, which is like, unheard off.

The beard is the worst thing possible. Sadly I have it, not because the beard is good, but because it covers most of the face.

Again, I don’t like weeb art style, it’s not style. I tend to not like anything with an Asian art style background when it comes to games. Hell, even the new RE game is too much for me just because like a lot of Asian games, it’s very OTT. I get over it a lot if the game is good, like FF14.

[Aliven]

Tbf, FF14 doesn’t have anything purely masculine for character creation at least. You have the human high lander one, I think it’s that anyway, but it’s not
dirt to the earth masculine.

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The beard is the worst thing possible. Sadly I have it, not because the beard is good, but because it covers most of the face.

Well it is an option. The worst feature of male highlanders is the complete lack of brow :P

I would say that Hrothgars are pretty manly.

EDIT: What is a weeb art style?