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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Hit is no longer a stat.
    Every criticism is a hit, these days.
    nah, more misses than ever before, open any thread here and its 99% swing and miss by mile... perhaps simply bcs more people try to hit

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    nah, more misses than ever before, open any thread here and its 99% swing and miss by mile... perhaps simply bcs more people try to hit
    I guess Blizzard stacked on the Dodge stat

  3. #343
    Kind of i will agree.
    But i think it as much also a change of culture.
    But it not just that, reviewing and commenting online is more common. And it not a major hazzel to just on a random youtube video / reddit thread / mmo champion what have you and so on Just to write "LOL IT BAD " it takes no afford, and people like to partake in circle jerking of hate.

    The amount of times i seen people " I HAVE NOT PLAYED in 4 Years" yet still stick around to hate.
    the fact Asmonggold was such a popular wow streamers, but he had one of the most toxic wow communitys, and all he did was spew hate and anger about a game he clearly did not like anymore. yet he stuck around for so long.
    that is where i have a problem, Some people just like to hate to hate, and to critcize while haveing no insight.
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  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    I guess Blizzard stacked on the Dodge stat
    it seems more like some people are hitting air and blizzard stands behind them thinking "what the fuck is this guy doing?"... or actualy paying them no mind

  5. #345
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    There's definitely a subset of the community that's overtly critical, bordering at the nonsensical.

    Just being critical does not really help the devs in any way, shape or form.
    To give good feedback you need to understand the intent of the design, and explain how it succeeds and fails in that regard. Proposing an alternative can be good also.

    Just saying stuff is boring or bad without qualifications does nothing.

    Like, from a pedagogical standpoint, all criticisms are not good criticism. One have to give good feedback that the other person can use to improve.

    That being said, WoW being criticized is good for the game in the long run, but when the feedback the devs get seems like nagging it doesn't really do anything. Blizz have said in the past that it's sometimes hard to separate between legimate feedback and grievances/whining, especially from people that's not actually playing the game.

    edit: I'm not pushing whatever problems the game have under the rug (The BFA systems overload, anyone?), I simply want a more healthy discourse regarding the state of the game.

    There's also alot more content creators that talk about WoW and it follows that issues experienced by some of the community can be exaggerated or narrativized in such a way to seem like a big problem. Like it seems that some problems are way more dire than they actually are.
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  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    [...]

    Artifact Weapons were just the Path of the Titans feature that people begged blizz to finally implement for ages. Now the community's pulled a 180 and considers it horrible.

    I can see why the dev's don't feel terribly ambitious. They have over a decade of data of the community never being happy with anything that isn't BG's and Raids, with even mythic+ a mode to make dungeons slightly more relevant, getting the community all worked up too. Why put any effort into a new feature that the community's just going to hate on.

    [...]
    I disagree here. The community considers them as horrible because it resets every expansion. If this would be a feature they build up upon throughout expansions, it would be received way better. But there is really no greater sense of having artifact weapons for one expansion, Heart of Azeroth for the next and then Covenants when all of it is basically the same system. They would save a ton of work and do themselves a favor if they designed one system (aka talents for example) that they can carry on throughout every expansion.

    All what Blizzard is doing in the last years is reiterating on previous concepts and making them often worse not better. This gets old very quick and is one of the reasons why their game design doesn't really work anymore. It excites you for 1-2 months and then you're just bored and done with it - this shouldn't be the case.
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  7. #347
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    With the most stubburn dev team in the world?!

    No, i don't think so. Honestly, it's the criticism that managed to turn the game away from the destructive path it was on (AP, titanforging,corruption, basic class design, etc).

    If we didn't criticize, the game would be in a much worse place.

    Honestly, the problem is they don't listen until we riot and even then they choose to be stubburn. #pulltheripcord was right and we are paying the price now cause they wanted to be stubburn.

    The faction balance thing as well. They are more worried about Blizzcon shouts than preventing an incoming issue where you can only play challenging content in a single faction. This stuff should be getting adressed now and they are waiting too long as usual.
    No, we are not overly critical. Only if you take every single complaint with 1 reply in the forums and project that as a complaint at large.
    People didn't criticize though. They whined and moaned like kids.

    Still worked. But calling it criticism is a stretch. Most people on this forum are faaaaar from constructive.
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  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    it seems more like some people are hitting air and blizzard stands behind them thinking "what the fuck is this guy doing?"... or actualy paying them no mind
    They've got Vanilla resistance gear.

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Caerrona View Post
    Your wife can't even grasp "use this ability to generate" and "use this ability to spend"?

    My condolences...
    It would be great if within the first hour she was given one builder and one spender. Instead, she was given multiple of each and a bunch of other shit, including abilities she literally wasn’t supposed to use.

    For example, why is a player being given hamstring at level 4? To her, this is just another spender, so you use it when you can right? No, hamstringing enemies is useless in the early game. It’s an ability that is useless but you are given it so you try to include it in your attacks. To a new player, the thought is “why would they give me this if I’m not supposed to use it?”

    She was given Taunt without an explanation of what taunting an enemy means or does.

    She was given Slam right away, an ability that is basically always bad, but it was given so early that she assumed it to be integral to combat and ended up favoring it over the better abilities.

    She was given an Attack ability, which made her think you use that to start all combat.

    It’s a real shitshow for someone who has never played the game before.

    So, in the interest of science, I had her play classic. Never had to ask me a single question, figured out what abilities to use on her own, didn’t need my help. Why? Because even though the abilities are more obtuse and less clear, they are given to players at a reasonable pace.
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  10. #350
    Nope. Far better options out there to put your money on. You can get full game libraries from other services for the same price.

    Just because the cost of WoW hasn't gone up doesn't mean people can still afford it. In the US at least wages have been stagnant for decades, getting vastly outpaced by inflation and cost of living increases. So that 15$ a month isn't as feasible as it used to be, especially once you take into account the fact you need a decent computer and internet connection (which is another 60$ a month quite a few people in the US can't afford. A hard stat to find answers on because there's a plethora of reasons people might not have internet at home.)

    Some people find there are more enjoyable ways to spend their time than paying to beta test a game and informing a multibillion dollar corporation that some of the base talents in their game are still bugged. I could watch paint dry, snow melt, water boil, the sun rise, the sun set, squirrels warming their balls on a roof, squirrels getting it on (30s btw, that's all it takes them), a cat puking in the street, said cat eating said puke....the list is endless.
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  11. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    They've got Vanilla resistance gear.
    perhaps, or they snort some strange dust

  12. #352
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    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    Nope. Far better options out there to put your money on. You can get full game libraries from other services for the same price.

    Just because the cost of WoW hasn't gone up doesn't mean people can still afford it. In the US at least wages have been stagnant for decades, getting vastly outpaced by inflation and cost of living increases. So that 15$ a month isn't as feasible as it used to be, especially once you take into account the fact you need a decent computer and internet connection (which is another 60$ a month quite a few people in the US can't afford. A hard stat to find answers on because there's a plethora of reasons people might not have internet at home.)

    Some people find there are more enjoyable ways to spend their time than paying to beta test a game and informing a multibillion dollar corporation that some of the base talents in their game are still bugged. I could watch paint dry, snow melt, water boil, the sun rise, the sun set, squirrels warming their balls on a roof, squirrels getting it on (30s btw, that's all it takes them), a cat puking in the street, said cat eating said puke....the list is endless.
    I agree it shouldn't be released with class and/or gaming breaking bugs. The game was less buggy when they spent a bit more time releasing expansions. Also, I think the .05/.1 release schedule may make them a bit less motivated to fix everything right away. The other thing to consider is that the game is far more complex than it was, which is another thing that can be discussed. I, personally, hate that they add new "features" in the way of stuff like covenants every expansion instead of expanding the talent system in a more direct way. It's unnecessarily complex at times and that drives me nuts.

    As far as cost of entry goes, that hasn't changed in the last 15 years. I would say that most people are probably paying more than $60 a month for internet now, but that's not just to play WoW. Literally everything is done on the internet now. You've always needed a PC to play PC games.

    If you find yourself watching squirrels screw, I'd argue you probably have more problems going on outside of WoW not being up to your standards anymore.
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  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    People didn't criticize though. They whined and moaned like kids.

    Still worked. But calling it criticism is a stretch. Most people on this forum are faaaaar from constructive.
    You have unrealistic expectations if you think everyone can articulate an argument. Most people go off feelings. They ask for feedback in those terms sometimes as well. It is what it is.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    You have unrealistic expectations if you think everyone can articulate an argument. Most people go off feelings. They ask for feedback in those terms sometimes as well. It is what it is.
    Articulation is not a requisite for a solid set of constructive criticism. All that is required is expressing the concern and offering a solution. Here are two non-articulate ways of expressing displeasure with something that needs to be fixed:

    Player 1: "Your shit fucking sucks Blizz! GG! Fix it or we will all unsub!!!"

    Player 2: "I hate covenants. Anima farming is bullshit! Fix it!"

    Now, of the two, unless someone is just trying to be an obtuse douche and fight about relative semantics, option 2 is at least more clear and while a solution is not given, the problem is at least outlined while still being expressed through emotions. I don't think anyone is asking players to remove their emotions from the feedback. Emotion is a powerful and driving force when it comes to being critical about a game you have loved for years. I think what would benefit everyone in the game would be to at least attempt to approach the feedback with some sense of direction letting Blizz know what you are unhappy about, and not just a generic statement that cannot be addressed. Going to the doctor and saying, "I hurt, fix this" is not telling him where he should start.
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  15. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by Mechagnome View Post
    Ok let's build on that:

    Player: "Covenants are trash."
    Devs: "Ok, which parts are trash?"
    Player: "People hate this system."
    Devs: "Ok, which part do they hate?"
    Player: "All of it."
    Devs: "If you had to pick your least favorite part, what would it be?"
    Player: "I hate how much anima shit takes and how long it takes to gather it."
    Devs: "I can work with that."

    If it all goes well, the Anima drop rates are increased to accomodate without drastically changing or trashing the system. As you can see it was not a huge leap from "Covenants are trash" to "I hate how little anima I get". If the criticizer jumped straight to that piece, the criticism feels more solid and is more likely to get attention and be addressed. Just my opinion.
    Have you ever seen a game survey? Devs ask do you like this feature? yes no maybe. Nobody has the time to read 500.000 player ideas. What they want to know is simply what most players complain about. The quality of the complaint doesnt matter for this.

  16. #356
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    I wouldn't say we're overly critical. Though I do think our criticality doesn't do anything. Blizzard frankly doesn't care about the negative feedback anymore. They've been this way since WoD, they aren't changing, no matter how many times we have the same arguments about Borrowed Power, Mission Tables, and Content Droughts.
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  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    This is what they have. More than a few have been banned from the Blizzard boards so make their way here. For the most part there's very little useful in their threads although some of the answers to those topic take the idea seriously and do more with it than the OP ever did. I believe that many threads by constant complainers disappear quite quickly on Reddit through downvotes. So that's not much of an option either.
    That explains why 90% of the people here are so frustrated and salty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbit View Post
    Have you ever seen a game survey? Devs ask do you like this feature? yes no maybe. Nobody has the time to read 500.000 player ideas. What they want to know is simply what most players complain about. The quality of the complaint doesnt matter for this.
    Quality is immaterial. They just need a bit more input than "fix your fucking game". That was my only point. The criticizer just needs to offer a single specific, even in the most caveman of forms: "Anima needs bigger rewards." It may be extremely basic like a 3rd grader's comment, but at least it has a semblance of direction.
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  20. #360
    people are not critical enough

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