Did kil'jaedan "code" the afterlife

[TheFirstOnes]

What the hell are you on about? No.

The fuck?

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We still don't know how the lich king manifests inside the shadowlands. The matter that makes up you as a being has existed for thousands of years as well, just because something has existed doesn't mean it takes a coherently tangible form to the other forms of matter which are capable of observation / exist.

Yes we do. We literally see the Jailer use the Runecarver to craft Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination. All the Jailer did from there was make the Dreadlords give it to KJ, so he could give Ner'Zhul's soul with the newly crafted Domination gear.

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all of this is so true, the original WC3 writers are turning in their graves/new jobs

You do realize they probably don't give a fuck, right?

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The Entire Cosmos was done by 2 things: The Light and Shadow big bang, and the First Ones (Whether the First Ones made the Light and Void is up for debate). The Cosmic Pantheons, such as the Titans, the Void Lords, the Pantheon of Death, etc exist to stabilize and act as the lords of their respective powers. But, at the end of the day, The First Ones were confirmed to have set up the framework of the entire Warcraft Cosmos, they're above the Cosmic Pantheons, AND they're the progenitors of the Cosmos (Such as the Shadowlands, Reality, and beyond).

[Soon-TM]

It has never been said explicitly where Frostmourne came from, just it had a relation with the Nathrezim.

Actually, Chronicles clearly stated that Frostmourne was forged by the Nathrezim by KJ's command. Ditto for the Helm.

[A Chozo]

why would a chaos-aligned demon lord seek to bring order to the establishment of the Shadowlands?

The interesting thing about that cosmic Chaos alignment is that, being Chaos, it shouldn't even have any structure, yet Sargeras (previously from "order") enforced one.

For all intents and purposes the Burning Legion was the dominant force in the cosmos and was very organized, which I think didn't exactly represent anything about Chaos aside from exploiting the raw powers of Fel magic.

Without Sargeras (Order influencing Chaos) and with Nathreza obliterated (Death influencing Chaos), I expect the demons to appear once more under their original purpose: fuck shit up, and without Sargeras and Aggramar to reduce their numbers, they'll pose as much of a threat as the Jailer's revolution, random Void Lords decimating planets or Light inquisitors.

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the First Ones (Whether the First Ones made the Light and Void is up for debate)

Nah, already confirmed that they created it too, I'll search for the source

[TheFirstOnes]

It was confirmed that they shaped the Cosmos, yes. Nothing about creating it. We won't truly know which happened first until the Grimoire either releases, or until leaks appear the day or two before it's released (Like with that happened in Chronicle).

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Shaping something doesn't automatically mean it was created. Could just mean it was given a unique form.

[A Chozo]

Yeah you are right, I can't find shit about actual creation. Maybe I dreamed it.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Yeah you are right, I can't find shit about actual creation. Maybe I dreamed it.

I think someone erroneously posted that after misunderstanding one of the dev interviews.

[TheFirstOnes]

I think someone erroneously posted that after misunderstanding one of the dev interviews.

Yeah, it was from a past post. Someone misquoted what Steve said and posted that "OH, THE FIRST ONES MADE THE LIGHT AND VOID" despite the fact that statement was never made whatsoever.

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But, to make yourself feel better, A Chozo, I do infact believe the First Ones made everything, including Light and Shadow. I already exclaimed that I believe it so much, I'll either delete my MMO-C account, or something like that IF I am proven wrong once the Grimoire releases.

[Houle]

Yeah, it was from a past post. Someone misquoted what Steve said and posted that "OH, THE FIRST ONES MADE THE LIGHT AND VOID" despite the fact that statement was never made whatsoever.

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But, to make yourself feel better, A Chozo, I do infact believe the First Ones made everything, including Light and Shadow. I already exclaimed that I believe it so much, I'll either delete my MMO-C account, or something like that IF I am proven wrong once the Grimoire releases.

saving this comment just in case

[TheFirstOnes]

saving this comment just in case

I'm only saying this going off the idea of what the Chronicle is actually talking about regarding Light and Void. Cause, all it says is that the clash between:

A. Caused the Physical Universe to be born.

B. Caused the Twisting Nether to be created, or at the very least gain a more physical form connected to the Great Dark.

And C. Caused Life and other things to be birthed within reality.

The Shadowlands, and the other Cosmic Realms like came before reality, since the Jailer, the Arbiter, Argus, etc existed before reality itself (Which was made by Light and Void), as well as memory.

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So, it's possible the First Ones made the Cosmic Powers and their purpose, etc (Especially since their tech and architecture is apparently all across the Cosmic Realms of Warcraft, and not so much the Physical Universe), while the Cosmic Powers combined to form the Physical Universe.

Light and Void clashed and shaped it.

Life and Death preserve all beings and thriving things in the Universe.

Order and Disorder govern the Universe.

And the Elements serve as the basic building blocks for all matter in the Universe. The basis of these Elements being Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Spirit, and Decay.