"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
people of the south voting against their best interest, always shocks.....no one......anymore
I mean hell they convinced the people in Alabama that accepting Expanded Medicaid would cost them billions when in fact it would cost them about a billion over 10 years and the would receive over 14 billion in funding in return. their hospitals would receive an extra 7 billion in payments.
on top of all this they have paid about 4 billion in federal taxes to support...wait for it....the expansion of Medicaid so far.
and the majority of people in the state want it.
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/...-Medicaid-.PDF
guess they were not going to let Obama bully them into a bad deal either !!!!
Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!
Promotions and overtime based on performance, putting drivers in competition with each other which de-fact encourages this kind of dangerous behavior without any safeguards in place, even after they knew it was happening and were lying about it.
I snarkily dismissed it, yes. Still waiting for you to show where I've written anything you claimed I wrote, liar.
Meanwhile, the Scandinavian countries dont even need a min. wage because of how strong unions are.
Anybody who opposes unions clearly does from a very privileged position.
So the personal experinces of my family members don't count. Oh right, only the positive ones count.
But you are doing a hell of a job changing the subject of bad unions though. You can't reform bad unions when they have the power that they have. As long as they have people like you that continually refuse to stand up and condemn them while being only willing to talk about the good ones, they will continue to operate. Bad unions don't go away by you and everyone else on the pro-union side ignoring them or making excuses for them.Bad unions exist. That does not discredit the good unions or the positive effect that they have. The wise and logical approach to bad unions is to reform them, not a blanket "No Unions!" attitude. Baby with the bathwater and all that.
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So you admit you think my family members lied.
Liar.
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She admitrtted she dismissed what they said. That means she thinks they lied. She is a liar, plain and simple.
Even if they don't join, the union still has to bargain for them- that's federal law. Under Act 10 (and other "right to work" laws), a (for example) teacher that gets hired in a unionized district would not have to join the union, or pay them agency fees. However, the union would still have to negotiate on their behalf because they are in the same bargaining unit, and thus they would get all of the benefits bargained by the union without actually having to pay for representation. These laws force unions to take freeloaders; that is the point of them.
"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
the best thing about it is how workers understand whats best for them and largely ignore the culture war stuff
alot of gop politicians came out in support of unionization because they hated "woke" amazon being socially liberall but it turns out workers are like nahh i like my high paying job more..maybe the gop should focus on things like that instead of punishing capitalists, the far left and far right waant to break up amazon and the average person just wants 2 day shipping with amazing savings
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Are they your experiences? Relying second hand information is not the same as my first hand information.
I am not part of a bad union. I like union very much. I feel supported by them, I have channels to address issues and grievances, and my experience with them has been overwhelmingly positive. If the situation turns sour, I have the resources and the abilities to address my own union and right the ship.
I do not have that same influence with other unions. I can only support and advise my friends who are in said "bad" unions, which I have. The higher ups in our local branch of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers were removed and replaced about ten years ago because the members of the union had major concerns over leadership. Turns out, after they were removed, one of the board members was discovered to have been embezzling. The members of the union handled their issues and the union is better for it. In fact, this branch now stands out as a beacon of proper union leadership.
So we do stand up against bad unions. But you believe all unions are bad, so you are inclined to believe that the very existence of unions means nobody is standing up.
You might need to adjust your perception.
Princesses can kill knights to rescue dragons.
https://fortune.com/2021/03/15/marco...ganized-labor/
Did Marco Rubio suddenly leave the Republican party and nobody told him?
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They're benefitting from the collective bargaining power of the union, paid for by dues-paying members. That's freeloading, yo.
dems have always been in favor of unions, dems even passed most pro union bill ever in the house
but whats different is the gops recent disdain and hate for corporations becoming socially liberal( https://www.wsj.com/articles/sen-mar...ma-11615559462), and im a democrat and i dont even like the union i think its one our problems getting our agenda done in places like cali and ny where unions have an outsized influence over policy, but the gop is screwing over its own base by hating on corps
There are 100 workers in a union shop. 55 are union, and pay dues. 45 are non-union, and (thanks to 'right to work' laws) pay zero dues or agency fees. The union bargains for all 100 workers. The 45 that DON'T pay the union therefore gain the perks of being in a union (higher wages than they would bargain individually). The 55 union workers pay the union for the same perks. The 45 get the same perks without paying anything. That's what I mean by "freeloading." Getting everything a union worker gets without paying the union.
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You have that backwards. The unions donate to the Dems because, unlike the GOP, they aren't trying to actively undermine them. Maybe learn some labor history?
"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
I was there and was showed what was going on. It wasn't hard to see. All I had to do was look at their history of paychecks. It was a joke and nobody did anything to the union leaders who perpetuated it Sad that Act 10 didn't come in until after they retired. They could have saved a lot of money instead of wasting it going to a union that didn't give a damn about them.
The fact that bad unions continue to exist tells me nothing is really being done about it because people are too afraid to go against union leadership.
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They donate to the dems because the dems will buy their BS to get votes. The GOP sees right through it. Learn some political history.