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  1. #21
    Yeah, US Agent was appointed by the government to be the "next" Cap. The actual Cap wanted Sam. It's for each of us to decide which entity gets to bestow the title to the next one.
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  2. #22
    I liked what I saw of the trailers. Sam Wilson as Captain America has always been interesting but executed really poorly in the comics (with the exception of Secret Empire).

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    Does this start Friday, 3/19/21 ?

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    Does this start Friday, 3/19/21 ?
    Yes, although it would have been faster for you to google the answer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yes, although it would have been faster for you to google the answer...
    I did, but it returned a lot of results like: "early episode 1 reviews", so I was wondering if they did a sneaky weekend release or something.

  6. #26
    My only concern is having to contrive action scenes where the obvious result is our heroes being bullet ridden corpses, but aren’t. In Mandalorian perhaps one could say most of these people who were shooting were untrained empire draftees etc. big bad guy organization you’d think the first qualification would be to hit a target with an automatic weapon.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    My only concern is having to contrive action scenes where the obvious result is our heroes being bullet ridden corpses, but aren’t. In Mandalorian perhaps one could say most of these people who were shooting were untrained empire draftees etc. big bad guy organization you’d think the first qualification would be to hit a target with an automatic weapon.
    I feel you on this one. Mando's armor was the physical incarnation of plot armor, causing all gun-wielding foes to decide to rush in and melee, blaster bolts to bend into the tiny parts of armor, etc. A less tongue-in-cheek way to view this is having peoples actions/behaviors not being consistent in order to serve the plot and make the story happen... and that's how you get almost 2 full seasons of Stormtrooper shots missing by a mile, then get another scene where a volley of shots hits every target w/o missing a single shot.

    While that's not a Marvel property, similar minds work on both IP's. Wandavision isn't helping things, as the series started off strong and interesting, then devolved into mostly garbage contrivances and non sequitur behavior that puts The Mandalorian and WW84 to shame. My only morbid curiosity is if this series will have another human rights catastrophe caused by the heroes that gets passed over and ignored for reasons. Alright, I'm also curious how they're going to have Falcon actually use Capt's shield to any effect w/o interfering with his current gear/suit and being a complete normie by superhero standards, because at least the Winter Soldier has the legit ability to throw/wield the shield and would be a much better successor.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    I did, but it returned a lot of results like: "early episode 1 reviews", so I was wondering if they did a sneaky weekend release or something.
    They did show the first episode to some people and they were seemingly allowed to say some words on it, but not a whole review and especially no spoilers.

    From what I've heard the first episode is a lot of fun, but all the things that were shown in the latest trailers are not in the first episode.

  9. #29
    I do wonder if the aim of this series is to "power up" these two heroes, as the Avengers move into a phase where they'll be fighting cosmic and multi-versal threats. I remember even in Endgame, during the climactic end battle, I almost laughed out loud when they did a quick cut to Bucky firing a gun in the middle of the battlefield.

    1. Will Falcon get the Super Soldier serum by the end of this series?
    2. Will Bucky get any sort of enhancement beyond his arm, or explore the power his arm can have (sort of like Jax in MK, as an idea)?

    I'm worried because this show is a 6 episode one-off as far as I know, and that implies to me it's gonna be about movie length, but not really compelling enough to be a movie, just a series of side adventures.

    One thing I was discussing with my d&d group the other day was - who is going to be the "leader" of the new Avengers? Danvers fucks off to space too much, Falcon is literally just a normal dude using borrowed tech (like War Machine, but even worse tech) and a vibranium shield, Bucky has too much baggage to be the face of the group. Is Dr. Strange the leader of these new Avengers? Maybe Bruce Banner?

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    One thing I was discussing with my d&d group the other day was - who is going to be the "leader" of the new Avengers? Danvers fucks off to space too much, Falcon is literally just a normal dude using borrowed tech (like War Machine, but even worse tech) and a vibranium shield, Bucky has too much baggage to be the face of the group. Is Dr. Strange the leader of these new Avengers? Maybe Bruce Banner?
    I was under the impression that the studio wants Spider-Man would step up. He already has Tony Starks blessing and technology, now he needs to grow up a bit more in No Way Home to be the next leader.
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    I was under the impression that the studio wants Spider-Man would step up. He already has Tony Starks blessing and technology, now he needs to grow up a bit more in No Way Home to be the next leader.
    ehh...spider-man is a kid. And Sony own the rights. So I doubt Disney is in a hurry to put even more eggs in that basket and be at the whim of sony.

    They dont really even need a leader. Theres so many films/shows which center around a few characters at a time. Its gonna be rare to have the "all avengers" films where they have to pay buckets in actors wages.

    Spread it all out, do every genre, have a comedy, have a horror, have an action, have an office style mockomentary

    Then when thats starting to run dry start a what if movie where all bets are off and you can do whatever story you want. Antman turns into Jim Carrey and we get a Jim Carrey as an Ant movie once the well is run dry.
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    One thing I was discussing with my d&d group the other day was - who is going to be the "leader" of the new Avengers? Danvers fucks off to space too much, Falcon is literally just a normal dude using borrowed tech (like War Machine, but even worse tech) and a vibranium shield, Bucky has too much baggage to be the face of the group. Is Dr. Strange the leader of these new Avengers? Maybe Bruce Banner?
    Would make sense that Strange will be that guy. He fits every single criteria to be the leader, power, wisdom, and he even has a base, which is an important point.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Would make sense that Strange will be that guy. He fits every single criteria to be the leader, power, wisdom, and he even has a base, which is an important point.
    I believe that was a leaked rumor that they would have Dr. Strange as the leader of the newer Avengers.
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  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I do wonder if the aim of this series is to "power up" these two heroes
    I was thinking the same thing. If you have a power scale you have 8-10 range heroes (like thor, strange, Danvers), and you have 1-3 (Hawkeye, widow, falcon, all the GotG). Sure there are a few I’d put into midrange like Spider-Man, potentially ant man, but by and large it’s gods and normal mooks. The mooks should have all died to thanos’ army of endless monsters, but of course the good guys only lost 1 noted hero in that battle. Much like the Mandalorian, the longer tropes get used by Marvel, the more annoyed people will get. If you don’t power up the heroes then them being around becomes more absurd as the stakes get higher.

    Would love to see a scene where ant man is trying to sell everyone on how cool ant man tech is, and everyone just dissing him because people really want iron man tech like that stupid kid from queens has.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. If you have a power scale you have 8-10 range heroes (like thor, strange, Danvers), and you have 1-3 (Hawkeye, widow, falcon, all the GotG). Sure there are a few I’d put into midrange like Spider-Man, potentially ant man, but by and large it’s gods and normal mooks. The mooks should have all died to thanos’ army of endless monsters, but of course the good guys only lost 1 noted hero in that battle. Much like the Mandalorian, the longer tropes get used by Marvel, the more annoyed people will get. If you don’t power up the heroes then them being around becomes more absurd as the stakes get higher.

    Would love to see a scene where ant man is trying to sell everyone on how cool ant man tech is, and everyone just dissing him because people really want iron man tech like that stupid kid from queens has.
    Rocket raccoon isn't far from iron man levels of power.

    Space tech is a pretty loose definition of a power. He can just make grenades that clear out rooms no sweat

    Also marvel having more human heroes is good for story telling. DC has the whole gods on earth thing and its easily more relatable to make an ironman film or hawk eye series than making a good superman film where the protagonist can destroy planets if they wanted
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Rocket raccoon isn't far from iron man levels of power.

    Space tech is a pretty loose definition of a power. He can just make grenades that clear out rooms no sweat

    Also marvel having more human heroes is good for story telling. DC has the whole gods on earth thing and its easily more relatable to make an ironman film or hawk eye series than making a good superman film where the protagonist can destroy planets if they wanted
    Let's be honest. The only reason why the MCU featured all the unpowered human characters was because they didn't have the movie rights to a lot of the (recognizable) shiny powered heroes.

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  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Let's be honest. The only reason why the MCU featured all the unpowered human characters was because they didn't have the movie rights to a lot of the (recognizable) shiny powered heroes.
    Actually it all started with market research and putting all the toys of marvel characters in a room for kids to play with and most picked out ironman.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Let's be honest. The only reason why the MCU featured all the unpowered human characters was because they didn't have the movie rights to a lot of the (recognizable) shiny powered heroes.
    They didn't have the movie rights to their 3 most recognizable franchises...that part is true. But Phase 1 does have the Holy Trinity of the Avengers (Cap, Iron Man, and Thor) + the Hulk. The "unpowered human characters" (Black Widow and Hawkeye) are there as a value add. They are two of the most iconic Avengers and they were easy to throw in because neither really requires much in the way of an origin story.
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    So, does the Falcon get the super soldier juice? cause he using the shield makes look like he does get.

    If he don't, well, i don't think he can be rly on pair with the captain america, personally

    but so far, seeing the trailers, seem is going to be good.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    So, does the Falcon get the super soldier juice? cause he using the shield makes look like he does get.

    If he don't, well, i don't think he can be rly on pair with the captain america, personally

    but so far, seeing the trailers, seem is going to be good.
    No. He's still a regular, highly trained man. All the trailers of him throwing it has his whole body going into a toss and catch unlike Cap.
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