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  1. #1161
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    He’s really not. I’ve seen him in 2 movies outside of Marvel, cause he’s just not that popular of an actor, and he wasn’t the greatest. Chris Evans, on the other hand, he can act.
    ? The man is in something like 50 movies. Making more than 2 movies a year on average isn’t what I’d call unpopular.

  2. #1162
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    He’s really not. I’ve seen him in 2 movies outside of Marvel, cause he’s just not that popular of an actor, and he wasn’t the greatest. Chris Evans, on the other hand, he can act.
    Anthony Mackie:
    8 Mile
    The Hurt Locker
    Brother to Brother
    Million Dollar Baby
    We Are Marshall
    The Hate U Give

    Those are just the movies I can remember him from, minus the Marvel films, nowhere near his full catalogue. I also think he was good in the 2nd season of Altered Carbon, which, hmmm, the same people on this forum seemed to dislike over Joel Kinnaman, a dude known for one facial expression that he's been doing since The Killing.

    Chris Evans:
    Not another Teen Movie
    the two Fantastic Four movies
    Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
    Snowpiercer

    These are the Chris Evans movies I remember that didn't involve the Marvel movies. All of them trash except Scott Pilgrim.

    Edit: My bad, I should give credit to Evans for Knives Out, a fucking excellent movie in which he was fucking excellent, which no one on this forum acknowledges because god forbid we question the hot take that "Rian Johnson is a trash director" prevalent here.
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  3. #1163
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Anthony Mackie:
    8 Mile
    The Hurt Locker
    Brother to Brother
    Million Dollar Baby
    We Are Marshall
    The Hate U Give

    Those are just the movies I can remember him from, minus the Marvel films, nowhere near his full catalogue. I also think he was good in the 2nd season of Altered Carbon, which, hmmm, the same people on this forum seemed to dislike over Joel Kinnaman, a dude known for one facial expression that he's been doing since The Killing.

    Chris Evans:
    Not another Teen Movie
    the two Fantastic Four movies
    Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
    Snowpiercer

    These are the Chris Evans movies I remember that didn't involve the Marvel movies. All of them trash except Scott Pilgrim.

    Edit: My bad, I should give credit to Evans for Knives Out, a fucking excellent movie in which he was fucking excellent, which no one on this forum acknowledges because god forbid we question the hot take that "Rian Johnson is a trash director" prevalent here.
    Lets be honest, every post Winter Blossom makes (in this thread at least) pretty much solidifies the fact that they don't know what they're talking about.

    That being said, Snowpiercer was not trash and Evans did a pretty good job in it. Red Sea and Puncture were fairly good as well. Either way, Mackie definitely has far more solid movies under his belt.

  4. #1164
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Anthony Mackie:
    8 Mile
    The Hurt Locker
    Brother to Brother
    Million Dollar Baby
    We Are Marshall
    The Hate U Give

    Those are just the movies I can remember him from, minus the Marvel films, nowhere near his full catalogue. I also think he was good in the 2nd season of Altered Carbon, which, hmmm, the same people on this forum seemed to dislike over Joel Kinnaman, a dude known for one facial expression that he's been doing since The Killing.

    Chris Evans:
    Not another Teen Movie
    the two Fantastic Four movies
    Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
    Snowpiercer

    These are the Chris Evans movies I remember that didn't involve the Marvel movies. All of them trash except Scott Pilgrim.

    Edit: My bad, I should give credit to Evans for Knives Out, a fucking excellent movie in which he was fucking excellent, which no one on this forum acknowledges because god forbid we question the hot take that "Rian Johnson is a trash director" prevalent here.
    Being in many movies doesn't mean he’s one of the leading actors of those movies, or that he’s really popular. Quite a few of the movies you mentioned, Anthony had supporting roles, which was really my point.

    The latest movie I watched of him was some Netflix action movie (can’t recall the name) but it was absolutely horrendous, to include his acting.

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    To add, I actually like Joel Kinnaman. I first started watching him in The Killing with Mireille Enos. I think he’s a pretty good actor—he’s great in For All Mankind.
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  5. #1165
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Unless he's gonna start dating Sam's sister in a marriage-path kinda way, he's just a friend who's tagging along with Sam, not a part of the family, however welcome he may be there.
    Family is what you make for yourself. Unless you're going to say that Steve and Bucky weren't brothers because Steve didn't marry Bucky's sister...

  6. #1166
    Steve should've married Bucky's sister and used her as a beard to have a shared family name so he can actually feel as if he married Bucky. Then they would've been a family.

    (jokes-not jokes aside, I find the notion funny that Bucky doesn't find Sam's family as family. Have you not heard of Found Family tropes? He's clearly comfortable with them and they've also accepted him as shown by the end scenes. You can also consider friends as your family - you don't have to be biologically related (and neither are people who marry each other biologically related, but are still regarded and considered as family) for that.

  7. #1167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Family is what you make for yourself. Unless you're going to say that Steve and Bucky weren't brothers because Steve didn't marry Bucky's sister...
    What I'm saying is that Bucky's issue wasn't a lack of family. It was a lack of self-identity. He's spent the entire period up to now disavowing his previous identity as the Winter Soldier, and that's an era he's finally closed for good now, but it was the last thing he did in the final episode other than hanging with Sam's family.

    They might be friendly and open with him, but that's borrowing Sam's identity, in psychological terms (not that he's literally putting on a Sam Wilson mask, but that he's borrowing from/sharing in Sam's life rather than being secure in his own identity).

    I've had to live through extended family members drinking themselves to death. When they had a wife and kids, and an extended family who would absolutely have been there for them. "Family" wasn't enough to solve their inner demons, and laughing and carrying on at a big family gathering didn't mean he wasn't struggling with alcoholism. One good day is not a demonstration that Bucky is "fine now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illusions View Post
    Steve should've married Bucky's sister and used her as a beard to have a shared family name so he can actually feel as if he married Bucky. Then they would've been a family.

    (jokes-not jokes aside, I find the notion funny that Bucky doesn't find Sam's family as family. Have you not heard of Found Family tropes? He's clearly comfortable with them and they've also accepted him as shown by the end scenes. You can also consider friends as your family - you don't have to be biologically related (and neither are people who marry each other biologically related, but are still regarded and considered as family) for that.
    But realistically, we've only seen Bucky hanging out with Sam's family a couple of times.

    I love found family as a trope, but it takes more than a couple good days for that kind of dynamic to exist. I'm not arguing Bucky can't reach that level with Sam's family, I'm arguing two things;

    A> we don't see that kind of dynamic, in the show. I've been as close as that with the families of multiple friends. Closer, really; I've had friends stay with us for a couple months, and stayed with a friend's family for a month myself, under various circumstances. Those situations are what I'd say qualify, and we only really see Bucky hanging out for a couple specific family days, in the show. I'm not opposed to the potential, just not seeing it in the show.

    B> Found family wouldn't settle Bucky's issues. He doesn't have much of a support network, and Sam and his family could provide that, but that's a base to build from, not a fix for Bucky's lack of self-identity. He's scrubbed the legacy of the Winter Soldier out, but he hasn't built anything new in its place.


  8. #1168
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    What I'm saying is that Bucky's issue wasn't a lack of family. It was a lack of self-identity. He's spent the entire period up to now disavowing his previous identity as the Winter Soldier, and that's an era he's finally closed for good now, but it was the last thing he did in the final episode other than hanging with Sam's family.

    They might be friendly and open with him, but that's borrowing Sam's identity, in psychological terms (not that he's literally putting on a Sam Wilson mask, but that he's borrowing from/sharing in Sam's life rather than being secure in his own identity).

    I've had to live through extended family members drinking themselves to death. When they had a wife and kids, and an extended family who would absolutely have been there for them. "Family" wasn't enough to solve their inner demons, and laughing and carrying on at a big family gathering didn't mean he wasn't struggling with alcoholism. One good day is not a demonstration that Bucky is "fine now".
    I didn't say anything about Bucky being "fine now" or that being a part of Sam's family would magically solve his PTSD. I'm not even saying that Bucky is part of Sam's family.

    I was referring to your position that Sam and Bucky can't be brothers unless Bucky marries Sam's sister. Which is nonsense.

  9. #1169
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I didn't say anything about Bucky being "fine now" or that being a part of Sam's family would magically solve his PTSD. I'm not even saying that Bucky is part of Sam's family.

    I was referring to your position that Sam and Bucky can't be brothers unless Bucky marries Sam's sister. Which is nonsense.
    That wasn't really what I was trying to say, just that we really only see Bucky with Sam's family on two separate days; one working on the boat before Sam's sister kicks them out, and then the family event at the very end.

    To me, that says "friend that's welcome to visit with family" and nothing more. Not that he's been "adopted" as a part of the family in any appreciable sense. Not yet, not based on what we've seen in the show, at least.

    The bit about Sam's sister was just a clumsy attempt to argue that if their relationship had bumped up past just flirting to annoy Sam, that could've been a reason to think there was something deeper overall. Just an example of one kind of thing. Not that the only way to get "adopted" by someone's family is via romantic entanglement.


  10. #1170
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Anthony Mackie:
    8 Mile
    The Hurt Locker
    Brother to Brother
    Million Dollar Baby
    We Are Marshall
    The Hate U Give

    Those are just the movies I can remember him from, minus the Marvel films, nowhere near his full catalogue. I also think he was good in the 2nd season of Altered Carbon, which, hmmm, the same people on this forum seemed to dislike over Joel Kinnaman, a dude known for one facial expression that he's been doing since The Killing.

    Chris Evans:
    Not another Teen Movie
    the two Fantastic Four movies
    Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
    Snowpiercer

    These are the Chris Evans movies I remember that didn't involve the Marvel movies. All of them trash except Scott Pilgrim.

    Edit: My bad, I should give credit to Evans for Knives Out, a fucking excellent movie in which he was fucking excellent, which no one on this forum acknowledges because god forbid we question the hot take that "Rian Johnson is a trash director" prevalent here.
    Ive only seen him in 8 mile and hurt locker outside of playing falcon and he was out shinned by eminem and brittany murphy in 8 mile and out shinned by jeremy renner in hurt locker. Certainly not a scene stealer thats for sure
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  11. #1171
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The people who find Sam less interesting than Steve are... interesting. And then I go back and see them complaining about too much wokeness and it begins to make sense.
    Honestly, I think its fair to say neither character is overly interesting. I think there's a lot of nostalgia around Steve so his replacement was never going to be super well received. I don't think it's just the anti woke crowd that doesn't care for him (though there's certainly some of that going around in this thread)

  12. #1172
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Ive only seen him in 8 mile and hurt locker outside of playing falcon and he was out shinned by eminem and brittany murphy in 8 mile and out shinned by jeremy renner in hurt locker. Certainly not a scene stealer thats for sure
    I guess enjoy hating the new Captain America then.

    I won't be joining you since I like Mackie, but knock yourself out.

  13. #1173
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The people who find Sam less interesting than Steve are... interesting. And then I go back and see them complaining about too much wokeness and it begins to make sense.
    Sam is a good modern American and becomes a traitor because he really likes Steve and trusts him. Steve was a good person out of place and time who had to fight against the very government he was willing to fight and die for because he believes its the right thing to do. Steve then gives up the life he idolized (being a hero/soldier) in order to get the life he truly wants with Peggy. Sam still likes Steve and instead of realizing he can be his own symbol decides to do what Steve asked of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Anthony Mackie:
    8 Mile
    The Hurt Locker
    Brother to Brother
    Million Dollar Baby
    We Are Marshall
    The Hate U Give
    I haven't seen any of the movies you mentioned for Anthony Mackie so I'll add my favorite one I remember him in: The Adjustment Bureau. He was amazing in that and its a great movie imo.
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  14. #1174
    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    I guess enjoy hating the new Captain America then.

    I won't be joining you since I like Mackie, but knock yourself out.
    I'm not hating on him. It was always gonna be hard to replace evans and downie.

    And with the loss of chadwick they also lost black panthar.

    Thats a lot of leading men gone and no one is really stepping up to replace them.

    Im hoping Dr Strange can but his first film was incredibly lack luster
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  15. #1175
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I'm not hating on him. It was always gonna be hard to replace evans and downie.

    And with the loss of chadwick they also lost black panthar.

    Thats a lot of leading men gone and no one is really stepping up to replace them.

    Im hoping Dr Strange can but his first film was incredibly lack luster
    Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of the 1st Doctor Strange movie. He seems like a really interesting character but I feel like Marvel has really underpowered him.
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  16. #1176
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I'm not hating on him. It was always gonna be hard to replace evans and downie.

    And with the loss of chadwick they also lost black panthar.

    Thats a lot of leading men gone and no one is really stepping up to replace them.

    Im hoping Dr Strange can but his first film was incredibly lack luster
    Cumberbatch is well cast, but I agree he needs a MUCH better second film to pull him up to a notably higher echelon.

    I'm not convinced there's necessarily a big problem here though. I mean maybe having a new Downey would let Marvel get away with a few Thor 2s or something, so without a leading man/woman they need to be on their game more consistently.

  17. #1177
    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    Cumberbatch is well cast, but I agree he needs a MUCH better second film to pull him up to a notably higher echelon.

    I'm not convinced there's necessarily a big problem here though. I mean maybe having a new Downey would let Marvel get away with a few Thor 2s or something, so without a leading man/woman they need to be on their game more consistently.
    Well hopefully they dont waste Mahershala Ali as Blade and just make some PG13 action with no blood crap.

    Because that guy can fooking act, so hopefully he gets some good material
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  18. #1178
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of the 1st Doctor Strange movie. He seems like a really interesting character but I feel like Marvel has really underpowered him.
    He was literally learning how to use magic as the movie progressed, so that feels like a really weird criticism. I could criticize a lot in that movie, but that would not be on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Well hopefully they dont waste Mahershala Ali as Blade and make some PG13 action with no blood crap.

    Because that guy can fooking act, so hopefully he gets some good material
    Agree, he's amazing.

    And we have Feige on record saying Deadpool 3 will be rated R, so it's within reason Blade will be treated okay.

  19. #1179
    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    He was literally learning how to use magic as the movie progressed, so that feels like a really weird criticism. I could criticize a lot in that movie, but that would not be on the list.
    Not his movie—in the 2 Avengers movies. Like that one scene where he was knocked out and being flown around by his cape... I feel like they do that shit on purpose so they have an excuse for why he couldn’t use his powers, since he could probably take control of the entire situation.

    It’s annoying. They did that shit to the Hulk as well.
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  20. #1180
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Not his movie—in the 2 Avengers movies. Like that one scene where he was knocked out and being flown around by his cape... I feel like they do that shit on purpose so they have an excuse for why he couldn’t use his powers, since he could probably take control of the entire situation.

    It’s annoying. They did that shit to the Hulk as well.
    Its sadly a bit of a trope thats hard to get away from with superheroes.

    Wanda being in prison because she tried saving a lot of people and some others died in a building.

    Vision being a punching bag when he can phase into the ground and could eye beam people.

    Captain Marvel being off planet because "other planets need help too"

    Thor being fat because fat jokes are hilarious right.

    DC also do it with Superman and give it the similar treatment as Cap Marvel "Hes off planet so its just us rag tag guys today"
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