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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Hunting businesses bind, torture, and kill anyone who doesn't serve their agenda?
    yes, refer to ivory poaching for one example. Hunting can be a part of the general criminal underworld if people are in it for the money.

    Now the people that do it just for fun though are just as sick-minded rednecks and probably wouldn't take kindly if their hobby was outlawed. I believe Donald Trump's son is big on hunting as a hobby and has been at the center of controversies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    yes, refer to ivory poaching for one example. Hunting can be a part of the general criminal underworld if people are in it for the money.

    Now the people that do it just for fun though are just as sick-minded rednecks and probably wouldn't take kindly if their hobby was outlawed. I believe Donald Trump's son is big on hunting as a hobby and has been at the center of controversies.
    Culling the wolves isn't even comparable to ivory poaching besides both involving killing an animal...

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    Idaho needs to do the same. The non native wolves that were introduced to the state breed like roaches. They are a plague that decimate elk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    If only it were permitted to hunt those hunters... fucking wastes of space the lot of them...

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    There's still around a thousand wolves in Wisconsin so it's not actually a big deal. Wild animals live mostly brutal lives and die in slow and painful ways anyways. While they do offer a few useful ecological and civilizational services they are mostly over-exaggerated and used as a way to demonize the growth of human activity which is irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    There's still around a thousand wolves in Wisconsin so it's not actually a big deal. Wild animals live mostly brutal lives and die in slow and painful ways anyways. While they do offer a few useful ecological and civilizational services they are mostly over-exaggerated and used as a way to demonize the growth of human activity which is irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Wild animals live mostly brutal lives and die in slow and painful ways anyways.
    Naturalistic fallacy. Just because you think nature might be cruel, doesn't necessarily mean humans should be. What happens in nature isn't a good moral arbiter or a guide on how people should behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    well it's not just the money but the hunting business is basically like the Mexican cartels. You don't enforce sanctions or try to disturb poaching practices unless you want to get disappeared. It's a really disturbing world there.
    The amount of stupid in this post is staggering. Hunting ≠ poaching. The extreme majority of the hunting money goes back into the fish and wildlife.
    Poaching everyone can agree on, it's evil and should be punished and this entire article has NOTHING to do with poaching.

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    Don't they learn to acually track animals in their education? I thought the use of traps where illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    Don't they learn to acually track animals in their education? I thought the use of traps where illegal.
    Only more progressive states. Regressive states still allow trapping, baiting, and dogs.

    It's a crutch for the hunting industry in those regressive states. When someone pays thousands of dollars for a lease or "guide", there's pressure to deliver a guaranteed kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
    Naturalistic fallacy. Just because you think nature might be cruel, doesn't necessarily mean humans should be. What happens in nature isn't a good moral arbiter or a guide on how people should behave.
    Good point, I hate the naturalistic fallacy. While we don't know how to alleviate all animal suffering right now we can always find better ways to get it closer to zero.
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