Stars Are Flirting With the Far Right

[Felya]

More interested in hearing from Slant, since identifying contrary evidence to sinister plots is something of a breath of fresh, ideological air. Heads, the fascist takeover is imminent , tails, the *ahem* setbacks prove the fascist conspiracy is as close as ever. It isn't a fun game.

Ideological air? Why don’t you tell me more about USSR... What part of the Czar was the right creeping?

[tehdang]

Was there some alt right pod cast about this shit? USSR was founded on a revolution with a demand for ‘peace, bread and land’... How different is it from ‘40 acres and a mule’?

I'm sure if you start looking around the darker corners you'll find it. At one level, seeking greater civil peace, less hungry, and increased housing availability is so trite that it barely bears mentioning. But I'm sure merely having making the a goal is proof of communist sympathies.

I'd even say the example of Huey Long is even more relevant to supplement with your reconstruction sentiment, if you're familiar.

[Machismo]

No different to them flirting with the far left.

Why do people support fascists?

Weird.

[Felya]

At one level, seeking greater civil peace, less hungry, and increased housing availability is so trite that it barely bears mentioning.

This is privilege speaking... it’s not trite to slaves or people who have nothing. I will ask again... What part of the Czar was going too conservative? Because to me... everything you say, seems to be empty ideological rhetoric, that sounds good... but, lacks any meaning what so ever.

[tehdang]

This is privilege speaking... it’s not trite to slaves or people who have nothing. I will ask again... What part of the Czar was going too conservative? Because to me... everything you say, seems to be empty ideological rhetoric, that sounds good... but, lacks any meaning what so ever.

If I were to tell you the story of the politician that committed himself to be in favor of motherhood and apple pie, would your response be that it's a clear example of parent-privilege and a detachment to the problem of hunger?

It's not your fault that I'm a little overexposed to your narrative from anonymous writers on the internet, but do you seriously deviate in any meaningful way from a cohort of yours that they'd accuse you of being too on the right for them? Maybe the fragility of Tsarist institutions is an interesting conversation, but I used the USSR to poke fun at cranks that think it's right around the corner.

[Elegiac]

And, frankly, we can forever talk about our institutions and our democracy being continually under threat and deserving constant vigilance with some truth.

Except for the fact that's a massive strawman, lol.

We're not talking about a vague constant "other" that must be guarded against in the vein of the Founders' bullshit about tyranny - we're talking about how propensity for fascism is a result of specific systems and saying that the US has such a system that is drifting increasingly towards that propensity as a result of a specific and concerted effort by Republicans over the past half century including but not limited to voter suppression, court packing, gerrymandering, union busting, sabotaging public programs, and generally being as obstructionist as possible.

Nor does it change that, yes, you're still engaging in a false equivalency by comparing it to the Red Scare because the international communist conspiracy was never real; fascism is and has been a real feature of American society since day one.

[Edge-]

If I were to tell you the story of the politician that committed himself to be in favor of motherhood and apple pie, would your response be that it's a clear example of parent-privilege and a detachment to the problem of hunger?

I think we'd be more confused as to why her political views only extend to being a mom and liking apple pie, and wonder what her views are on actual political topics.

[Mihalik]

bullshit

Only one of the two sides attempted a violent overthrow of an elected government, and only one of two sides is actively engaging in voter suppression, domestic terrorism etc.

I agree, it's not both sides.

[Glorious Leader]

Only one of the two sides attempted a violent overthrow of an elected government.

God... I'm gonna be sick... that did happen... for a fucking failed reality TV star fail son.

[JohnBrown1917]

No different to them flirting with the far left.

But thats cool.

[Felya]

If I were to tell you the story of the politician that committed himself to be in favor of motherhood and apple pie, would your response be that it's a clear example of parent-privilege and a detachment to the problem of hunger?

I would ask what issues you have with motherhood and apple pie in your country, that those are revolutionary statements.

It's not your fault that I'm a little overexposed to your narrative from anonymous writers on the internet, but do you seriously deviate in any meaningful way from a cohort of yours that they'd accuse you of being too on the right for them? Maybe the fragility of Tsarist institutions is an interesting conversation, but I used the USSR to poke fun at cranks that think it's right around the corner.

I’m using actual history... literal promise made by Lenin and Lincoln, drawing a comparison between slaves and the Russian serfdom. I’m not using “cranks”, after bitching about my narrative.

[Endus]

But thats cool.

It's much like the disinformation about the relative positions of the Republicans and Democrats, whenever anyone brings up "but the Democrats were the party of the KKK!"

Shit changes. In particular, global politics in the late 19th and particularly the early 20th largely went from the top-left to bottom-right of the political spectrum; left-authoritarian to right-libertarian. Classical liberals being the latter and Leninism and Stalinism et al being the former.

Post-WWII, however, that axis flipped. It's been largely left-libertarian to right-authoritarian. Emphasis on "largely", once you're outside the USA; there's certainly a wide range, and I'm talking about really broad strokes. But in the USA in particular, it's heavily stripped down along that line; there are essentially zero left-authoritarians in any political capacity. The likes of Bernie and AOC are firmly left-libertarian. Right-libertarians have a small presence, but look at how relevant the Libertarian Party in the USA is in any election cycle to see how relevant they are to the discourse.

The issue is the rhetoric didn't change, by right-wingers. They still dishonestly present themselves as right-libertarian when they are decidedly not. And they present the Democrats as left-authoritarian, just as dishonestly.

Worse, you can tell it's dishonest, and not just general stupidity, because they inherently admit that they are right-authoritarians when they bring up stuff like "horseshoe theory" or any "both sides" arguments regarding the Democrats' supposed authoritarianism.

[Slant]

I'm 100% opposed to basically every poster here in ideology,

That's because you're a bloody anarchist.

[Machismo]

That's because you're a bloody anarchist.

Nah, he's just a devout Trumpster.

[postman1782]

No different to them flirting with the far left.

Ah yes, where they give you a higher wage, better standard of living and everyone gets healthcare, the fucking horror. Meanwhile, when was the last left wing terrorist attack? 40+ years ago?

[Slant]

Nah, he's just a devout Trumpster.

I mean, he really just wants civilisation to be destroyed is the vibe I got in the past. Doesn't make sense either way to me.

[PosPosPos]

That's because you're a bloody anarchist.

I think nihilist describes them better - the one-step-up from anarchists.

At least anarchists like @Machismo have a right-wrong compass, as misguided as it might be, but nihilists on the other hand lack this entirely and it shows in @tehdang 's blatant apathy for fact and fiction.

[Machismo]

I think nihilist describes them better - the one-step-up from anarchists.

At least anarchists like @Machismo have a right-wrong compass, as misguided as it might be, but nihilists on the other hand lack this entirely and it shows in @tehdang 's blatant apathy for fact and fiction.

For the 50th time, I'm not an anarchist.

[jonnysensible]

For the 50th time, I'm not an anarchist.

tfw the libs cant identify libertarians, anarchists or reactionaries.

[PosPosPos]

tfw the libs cant identify libertarians, anarchists or reactionaries.

Shrug, what else would you label someone who supports a government that exists only in name but have no power to enforce any law or policy they enact?