Stars Are Flirting With the Far Right

[Slant]

Shrug, what else would you label someone who supports a government that exists only in name but have no power to enforce any law or policy they enact?

That's not what anarchists want. They fundamentally misunderstand the world around them and how society works and think "no rules" is the only rule they need. Until someone comes along and splits their skull open with an axe and says "Yo got it, bro!", that is.

[PosPosPos]

That's not what anarchists want. They fundamentally misunderstand the world around them and how society works and think "no rules" is the only rule they need. Until someone comes along and splits their skull open with an axe and says "Yo got it, bro!", that is.

"Anarchy is the state of a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body."

Pretty sure "government-in-name-only" qualifies, based on the definition.

[jonnysensible]

That's not what anarchists want. They fundamentally misunderstand the world around them and how society works and think "no rules" is the only rule they need. Until someone comes along and splits their skull open with an axe and says "Yo got it, bro!", that is.

the main principle of anarchy is removing violence from human interactions

[tehdang]

That's because you're a bloody anarchist.

In fact, I like a bit of government.

You should immediately apologize to all my ancap interlocutors for putting me in their camp. They won't have me, and these words are violence.

Only one of the two sides attempted a violent overthrow of an elected government, and only one of two sides is actively engaging in voter suppression, domestic terrorism etc.

I agree, it's not both sides.

Yeah, here we go again. Are institutions strong enough? I refuse to answer the question, and besides, you attempted violent overthrow, and continue in voter suppression, domestic terrorism. Ok ok, unclench the fist, and establish relevance in the sea of non sequitur. Bring in 20 hardcore Trumpers if you wanna just accuse each other of warcrimes and fascism until the two minutes of hate is elapsed. I was curious only about the one guy bringing up and establishing the existence of Trump judges that didn't bow to the dear leader's desires. All the rest of this is just misplaced anger, and a hefty dose of ironic trolling. Since he's uninterested or unwilling, I guess you'll have to wait until the next thread.

I think nihilist describes them better - the one-step-up from anarchists.

At least anarchists like @Machismo have a right-wrong compass, as misguided as it might be, but nihilists on the other hand lack this entirely and it shows in @tehdang 's blatant apathy for fact and fiction.

If all else fails, call them anarchists or nihilists! That's the spirit of discourse! Label and dismiss.

[PosPosPos]

If all else fails, call them anarchists or nihilists! That's the spirit of discourse! Label and dismiss.

I mean, you truly do not care about fact or fiction, and subsequently, right or wrong; so what else should I call you instead? Apathetic? Disingenuous? Self-defeating?

How else should anyone treat you, other than a healthy dose of dismissal, based on your own stances(or rather, lack thereof)? What sort of "discourse" do you really expect in response to your "fuck everyone and all sides, because I feel like it"?

[Magical Mudcrab]

For the 50th time, I'm not an anarchist.

That's exactly what an anarchist that doesn't want people to know he was an anarchist would say. Gottem.

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the main principle of anarchy is removing violence from human interactions

That's not all anarchists', that's anarcho-pacifism. Anarchy is strictly about rejecting hierarchy (i.e.: government).

[PosPosPos]

That's exactly what an anarchist that doesn't want people to know he was an anarchist would say. Gottem.

Not sure why people are so snarky, when post history exists and Machismo has said on many occasions he supports government....provided they don't actually have the power to enforce any laws or policies. Which, with a bit of critical thinking, you would realize that effectively means there's basically no government.

[Santti]

Uhhhh, let's not have another +30 pages of back-and-forth discussing Machismo's political beliefs. It was painful to watch. :|

[Machismo]

That's exactly what an anarchist that doesn't want people to know he was an anarchist would say. Gottem.

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That's not all anarchists', that's anarcho-pacifism. Anarchy is strictly about rejecting hierarchy (i.e.: government).

Damnit, the secret is out... you're good.

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Not sure why people are so snarky, when post history exists and Machismo has said on many occasions he supports government....provided they don't actually have the power to enforce any laws or policies. Which, with a bit of critical thinking, you would realize that effectively means there's basically no government.

Bullshit.

Time to back up your claims. You don't get to simply change the definitions of words, because it fits your narrative.

Also, it's time to get back on topic, and stop pushing lies.

[jonnysensible]

Uhhhh, let's not have another +30 pages of back-and-forth discussing Machismo's political beliefs. It was painful to watch. :|

just saw pc2's sig was some cato koch bros foundation, thought him and mach would get on more tbh

[Machismo]

just saw pc2's sig was some cato koch bros foundation, thought him and mach would get on more tbh

I don't tend to get along with devout Trumpsters.

[Slant]

the main principle of anarchy is removing violence from human interactions

Uh, you sure you're not talking about pacifism?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Definition of anarchy
1a: absence of government
b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
the city's descent into anarchy
c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2a: absence or denial of any authority or established order
anarchy prevailed in the war zone
b: absence of order : DISORDER

Merriam-Webster doesn't talk about non-violence. What you're thinking of is the lack of enforced authority. That doesn't necessarily exclude violence from anarchic societies. It's the ugly truth anarchists don't want to think about. And then they pretend to be dreaming about some kind of utopia where everything is perfect and nobody gets harmed.... and then they sing Kumbaya while sucking on a bong and I realise I shouldn't respond to these people in the first place, because I can literally feel brain cells dying trying to fathom what they're on about.

[Felya]

If all else fails, call them anarchists or nihilists! That's the spirit of discourse! Label and dismiss.

Uhm... You said something ludicrous about USSR, then proceeded to spend a post telling me that I’m ‘one of those’... for simply stating facts. You are not interested in any other discourse, but this...

It's not your fault that I'm a little overexposed to your narrative from anonymous writers on the internet

Just FYI, if you were ever exposed to my position on the topic, you’d know I’m speaking from personal experience. But... label and dismiss... am I correct?

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All the rest of this is just misplaced anger, and a hefty dose of ironic trolling. Since he's uninterested or unwilling, I guess you'll have to wait until the next thread.

I’m still interested in how Russia went far right, to lead to communism, as you mentioned earlier. Not ‘maybe bla’, ‘perhaps bla’, then stating generalized assertions about the right, that have absolutely no relevance to Russia. I want to know what substantive information you have, to lead to that assertion. Because at this point... all I see is ‘communism bad’... and then making shit up as you go along.

[Felya]

I don't tend to get along with devout Trumpsters.

‘Hey buddy... I got this letter with the official former President label... and it’s saying to be a real American... you have to wash my car’... I don’t know... I think you are missing out on fun with printers and devout loyalty.

One of the mistakes I made with new minions, when I became a project lead, almost 20 years ago. Is tell every new member of the team, that one of the requirements for the job is to wash my car. No one ever laughed... and I never called them ‘my minions’ to their faces.

[Slant]

Utopian societies are typically non-violent.

Anarchy != Utopia.

[Felya]

Utopian societies are typically non-violent.

I’m pretty sure the far right version of utopia, includes extreme forms of violent punishment, as a deterrent. I think you are actually right, where I would say all, instead of typically. But, I think the way it’s reached, maintained and ‘doesn’t count’ when executed by authorities... is where things will differ.

I think both a far right and a far left utopia would be violence free, because it’s a desire that is necessitated by it being a utopia. But, I don’t think the far left would consider far right utopia violence free, because of different perspective on government’s monopoly on violence.

[downnola]

No different to them flirting with the far left.

Oh nice Avatar change, bud. I'll give you one guess of what the opposite of anti-fascism is.

[Muzjhath]

Anarchy != Utopia.

When it was first written, and as it was politically theorized. It was absolutely a utopic philosophy. Far more so than Communism which according to Bakunin wasn't utopic at all.

[Slant]

Did you read what you posted? Definition c bud.

Jeez...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utopia

Definition of utopia
1often capitalized : a place of ideal perfection especially in laws, government, and social conditions
2: an impractical scheme for social improvement
3: an imaginary and indefinitely remote place

See, this is the problem. Retards on the internet don't know what words mean. They say anarchy, but they mean Utopia. And then they proceed to argue for anarchy, without actually knowing what they're arguing for. Utopia CAN have a ideology of anarchism, but anarchy doesn't always equate to Utopia. Arguably, I'd say anarchy and Utopia exclude each other if you take a realistic approach.

But I'm already spending way too much on your 2s thought bullshit post. Bud.

[Shadowferal]

the main principle of anarchy is removing violence from human interactions

And how is that enforced?