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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    If you're casual you dont need gear higher than the one you can get in sanctums. I have 3 alts I only do casual/world content with and they are all sitting at 180ish just fine.



    You could not get bis items for badges in Wrath. Only the 10man hc ones. And that took like literally 1 month for 1 item.
    you also dont need to play this game at all if its not rewarding

    aparenly more then half of playerbase took exacly this approach already this expansion.

    how many more till also take this approach of not playing wow in next months ? a lot more people .

    because if people cannot progress in mmorpg they wont play such game.

    this is exacly what happened to wildstar.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Here's the key difference. It was the same gear you got from raid.. it was actually in fact tier gear at one point.
    I mean from HC farms you would get 2 frosts and then old emblems - useless gear besides catch up, same as now. Getting 60 frost emblems took weeks (if you did ICC dungeons) or month if you did not. And that was not even top tier gear. You needed to raid to get upgrade tokens to get bis gear.
    And we don't have tier sets now. And items are scaling so dungeon item = raid item, pick your dungeon to get same stats. While there are some unique raid drops here (trinkets only tbf) but you couldn't buy raid trinkets in WotLK either.
    I guess, only casual advantage is that you could get relatively powerful gear over very long amount of time playing SOLO. Now you have to do a +10 to get it. Which you have to get a group for.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    i mean no, you are the one who does not know how the systems work... you think that your key degrades every week which is not true...

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    so you do a 10 not in time
    next week you do another 10 not in time
    week after that you... do a 10 not in time...
    you always get a 9 key, but you get 10 loot every time, you arnt suddenly getting 9 loot, then 8 loot, then 7 loot.

    yes you get a 9 key, but you can easily level that to a 10, or just... join a group doing a 10.
    cause to get the 10 in the first place you would have had to do an 11, so yeah you can do a 10 not on time for sure, as you already were.

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    hahah so that was a fucking lie.
    Drop a key for "de other side" even level 2, and you will instantly have a full group, EVERYONE is trying to farm the best trinket from there.

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    wow has more constant progression then ever.
    in vanilla when youcleared blackwing lair and got 0 loot you did not progress at all, you just wasted a few hours, ZERO PROGRESSION.

    in live when you clear a raid you get your vault filled, you get anima, oh look, progression!

    vanilla you didnt have M+ there was no "dungeon progression" outside of getting pre-raid geared.
    I agree with DoS trinket but is ONE specific item over how many, 18 slots?

    No one in the 10+ bracket will farm +2 for specific gear in every slot, by the time they finish upgrading them another two seasons will pass.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Burst is vital for literally any key level unless you are doing keys below your skill level.

    The fact that you wont use 5 minutes to read previous discussions means i cba to explain the rest of the discussion to you
    The data doesn't back that up at all. Literally this is your opinion vs mountains of statistical data. I don't need you to explain. You're demonstrably wrong lol.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Simple Rick View Post
    I might just be a old hand then. To me casual is time played not the level of skill of a player. I've met 2 hour a week glads that I consider casual.
    Once upon a time “casualty” was primarily defined based on how much you played rather than the type or content you did while playing.

    Maybe today it’s different, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkfingers View Post
    My dude. You only have to do a +2 to get a piece you can upgrade.

    If your position is that you only ever want to do Mythic 0 and WQs then it's 100% self-imposed limitation. What are the devs supposed to do for somebody who literally refuses to engage in any content whatsoever?

    Where do we draw the line? If somebody wants to just run laps around Oribos because they think WQs are too hardcore, are we supposed to reward them with gear based on the number of laps they've completed?

    It's just an insanely obstinate position. Get a grip lol.
    Dude I’m all in for the race laps in Oribos XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post

    Because it's faster with better gear? Easier to do elite quests solo? Easier and faster to do Torghast and maw? Why drop valor in basically WQ when it's just for M+?
    Well..I should have clarified that I was playing devil's advocate here. The hint was in "That said...even if I would just do WQs...I would still be happy to be able to buy better gear with valor. " - but maybe not clear enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Maybe today it’s different, I guess.
    Yeah, because now people claim they just casually raidlog for 2 hours a week and still faceroll into the hall of fame in mythic raids....casually.

    I think it should never have been a black or white thing. If you multibox 5 druids to farm ore and herbs 8 hours a day...that is in this special area pretty "hardcore" IMHO

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Elkfingers View Post
    The data doesn't back that up at all. Literally this is your opinion vs mountains of statistical data. I don't need you to explain. You're demonstrably wrong lol.
    What data doesnt back it up?

    https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankin...MythicLevel=99


    Look at this. +15 and up. What are the most popular dps classes?

    Exactly. The classes with insane burst.

    What statistical data is it that isnt backing up what i said exactly?

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    I mean, dude, are you saying that getting those 2 emblems a day from random dungeon was a good way to get full gear at a current ilvl?
    Sure, you did get epics. Epics comparable to WQ epics now.
    geting those emblems gave people reason to log in , fool around a bit and have fun in game.

    atm people have 0 incentives to log in into game

    those people never wanted to do hardcore content like raiding and m+ - they were always perfecly happy fooling around in random hc dungeons.

    once blizzard took it away from them they all left game.

    those peopel were more then happy with just farming wq and emmisaries for TF gear each day .

    now those people are gone - and only ones left are toxic raiders.

    lets see how raiders sustain wow by themselves. and what blizzard will cut out of game in next patches because their management will put even less resources into dying game.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post

    now those people are gone - and only ones left are toxic raiders.
    being raider is toxic? nice

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Bee76 View Post
    Well, from my point of view, complete SL is purely designed for casual players ? The player and his effort is nearly completly removed from gearing and char progression. You can do more stuff to fill your GV lottery, but 1 m+ oder 3 raidbosses are anough to get good gear overtime.

    A player that do 1 +10 a week and is not doing anything more, can have 220 ilvl like a heroic raider. 1 of my alts is doing exactly this, doing some calling stuff, 1m+ per week and got 217 ilvl. timeeffort with those wq stuff: ~3 hours a week. Without that wq stuff it would be ~45 minutes per week.
    this is really casual friendly.

    And if you want to spend more time, you can grind anima for (my opinion: useless) cosmetics.

    SL is really unfriendly to "hardcore-players", there is nearly nothing u can do to improve your charpower if you spend more time. You can do 10 m+ and 10 raidbosses a week as a pve player, thats it. And with bad luck you wont have better gear than a dude that plays 1 m+ a week.
    what this is ... is ... boring

    boring like hell.

    anyone playing like this needs help. honestly.

    to log in into game , play for 30 minutes and log out till next week is abysmal gameplay .

    it attracts only most addicted wow players.

    anyone sane would just unsub and go play something else. because hwy do that when next patch will reset gear and you will have no use of this gear. not even for WQ.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    what this is ... is ... boring

    boring like hell.

    anyone playing like this needs help. honestly.

    to log in into game , play for 30 minutes and log out till next week is abysmal gameplay .

    it attracts only most addicted wow players.

    anyone sane would just unsub and go play something else. because hwy do that when next patch will reset gear and you will have no use of this gear. not even for WQ.
    Well that was one of the "big claims" from bfa. "pls no char progression behind grind" "i want to raidlog and play something else" "etc".

    im not playing like this, but a lot of ppl demanded it. Basically, if you are not into pvp, u can do 4-10 m+ and 10 raidbosses a week. thats all useful you can do füor your main char, and yes its really boring. i just wanted to point out, that sl is really casual friendly, do 1 m+ and/or kill at least 3 bosses, and get with some luck real good gear with nealy 0 time effort.

    i loved the times of wf/tf, every dungeon had the chance to drop something useful, every raid, lfr, norm, hc had the chance to drop something useful for your char. hell even world-items got that potential....


    Mainchar: /played 26 days on max ilvl 224
    twink: /played ~ 5 days on max, ilvl 217

    corrected 3 to 5 dyas, but boreghast included, no boosts or boe items involved. and most of the m+ pugged.
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  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    Forget about casuals. Every aspect of SL is broken, but only hardcore endgame gets fixes. Casuals aren't needed in this game anymore.

    1) Torghast isn't self-sustained content. It doesn't have reward structure. Same problem, as with Isle Expeditions. You can do it for legendary. But if you don't need legendary, then only option is - doing it just for the sake of doing it.
    2) WQs are only needed for anima, but anima grind is just rep grind 2.0. And I wasn't doing rep grinds exactly because they were unrewarding. Anima grind is even worse. It's considered xpack-wide grind. And therefore it suffers from BFA's syndrome. I.e. you can't do it on alts. And doing it on main only is pointless.
    3) Only option remaining - to level alts. But it's so called "unlimited" content, i.e. not time-gated. It causes burning out, if it's way too tedious. And it's tedious without flying.
    If you are casual

    Go play minesweeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    what this is ... is ... boring

    boring like hell.

    anyone playing like this needs help. honestly.

    to log in into game , play for 30 minutes and log out till next week is abysmal gameplay .

    it attracts only most addicted wow players.

    anyone sane would just unsub and go play something else. because hwy do that when next patch will reset gear and you will have no use of this gear. not even for WQ.
    Any sane person would see your a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    "Thread about valor use for casuals"
    "Wow is dead INSTANTLY changes it to a completly other topic"

    You serious?

    1) torghast does have a reward structure, legendary and a few cosmetics, after that you can ignore it, the most casual thing literally ever, you can just stop doing it if you want.
    2) anima... and gear... and rep... and gold... and profession items... and pet... and funny arnt you the same person who was complaining about not being able to get enoguh anima, now your admiting you just dont even try to get it?
    3) well wait a couple weeks/months and yo uwill have flying, maybe play another game, dont tty to play wow 12 hours a day every day and get mad there aint enough content. you can level through tons of different ways, normal campaign, threads of fate, dungeons, pvp, pet battles even.

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    yes.. yes they can... they can literally still do a m10 key each week and wait for the vault, what is stopping them that was suddenly added in 9.0.5?

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    ??? You can gear up with casual pvp too, get conquest and buy 200 ilvl gear, simply from doing random battlegrounds, random epic battle grounds, areana skirmish, and the weekly brawl, you will be full 200 ilvl in no time.
    I don't do pvp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baine View Post
    I don't do pvp
    you dont do ANY pvp? not even random battlegrounds etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    you dont do ANY pvp? not even random battlegrounds etc.
    I used to do some random bgs until a few years ago. But I got bored of it. I basically only world content. With occasional dungeons during bonus events.

  16. #176
    Are people on this thread seriously suggesting that they should get good gear by doing actually nothing? xd unreal, the entitlement on this lazy community is amazing, yeah guys just go do some random heroic dungeons and upgrade that gear all the way to 220 in a week, as if blizzard would ever implement a stupid system like this again (cause yeah titanforging made this possible, rightfully dead).

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
    A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
    A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.
    Casuals don't do m10 so the situation is the same as before.

    Let's say that they did do a 10. They would be able to do it. They would use their own key because they have it now and they make their own group which will be far superior than any they could make or join before.

    There are only imaginary problems here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    What data doesnt back it up?

    https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankin...MythicLevel=99


    Look at this. +15 and up. What are the most popular dps classes?

    Exactly. The classes with insane burst.

    What statistical data is it that isnt backing up what i said exactly?
    My dude. Imagine linking me a dataset that proves my point for me.

    What you have linked here demonstrates that certain classes are more popular when doing keys above +15. I agree - there is a meta, and people gravitate towards certain classes because their kit is better and/or it's easier to find a group in a meta spec. I never said that every spec is as good or viable as every other spec.

    What I said was that it was possible to complete +15 and up keys in every DPS spec. In this dataset, every single DPS spec is represented, which literally proves that you can do a +15 in every DPS spec.

    Did you look at this link before you took the dub, or do you just not understand the shit you're linking at all? Legit I'm embarrassed for you. Full body cringe.

    I'll even go a step further. My original link was shit. When I went back to look at it, I realised that what I'd linked actually just showed the average log percentages for each spec. Your link is so much better for demonstrating my point. Many thanks.
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  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Not any more, last week I got 10+ gear, next week 9+, next week 8+ etc...

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    The key deteriorates over time. That's what has changed.
    The key deteriorates only if you're not good enough. If you're not good enough you don't deserve the gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Why wouldn't they want to get better gear? Casual doesn't mean they don't do high level stuff, just means they don't do a lot of it.

    I'd like to do 4 or 5 M+ a week, but generally only find people to do 0 or 1 a week.
    Casual does not mean that at all. Casual means they do casual content. If you spend 40 hours a week doing WQ vs someone who spends 4 hours a week doing m10 them the guy who does m10 is more hardcore then the WQer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Then why on earth reward it ?
    To encourage people who do want it to try different ways to get it. What sort of question is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

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    I mean I would consider myself a casual now. Yet I get a 15 each week with some friends from my old raid team.

    Problem is I don't have KSM or even Keystone Explorer because they hate running Sanguine Depths.

    So... Not quite imaginary just annoying since I can't upgrade my gear due to achieve.

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