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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    A high i.o score means they're not toxic?

    Do explain, lol. Christ this should be good.

    So delusional.
    im only ~2350IO this season (cuz i have shitons of work to do via Home Office) but i dont have seen any ppl that have trown around death threats like that, i have seen it in HC pugs from trash HC raiders that got kicked but not in "High" Keys
    I.O BFA Season 3


  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    Please learn to read and comprehend. Thank you very much.

    And yes, it is. Especially in terms of getting specific items or raider.io. It even might be quite helpful to get your 14s done, because you can get pretty bad keys easily. Also if a pug depletes your key, you are now stuck with a 13, that way worse people are queueing for.
    OP: "I don't get invited to groups"
    Answer: "Make your own groups"
    You: "Making your own groups is more inefficient"

    This topic is full of people who whine that they don't get invited to groups, but are unwilling to put in some work to create their own groups

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Druid ist Op View Post
    im only ~2350IO this season (cuz i have shitons of work to do via Home Office) but i dont have seen any ppl that have trown around death threats like that, i have seen it in HC pugs from trash HC raiders that got kicked but not in "High" Keys
    Anyone that actually plays high end content knows that the toxicity he/she claims is practically nonexistant, but for people like them, anyone who does high end content is an elitist cunt and therefore toxic, its kinda hilarious xd

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Dude are you serious? No one is bad “by choice”.

    Also rio is helpful but does not tell the entire story, runs fail even with parties with “proper” rio for the key level.

    The only thing that can barely save you in pugs is trying to sign ppl that vastly overgear the key level, if they do apply, but this is the reason why pugging has become really difficult: content is just too hard an ppl try to bruteforce it.

    I do also think that tyr weeks rise issues above issues, you see less threads like this in forti weeks.
    A not insignificant part of WoW's player base is wilfully bad - players that don't do their best and don't respect the time of their fellow gamer.
    There can be wilfully bad gamers among bad players as well as among better players. What is common for them is that the find it ok not to try their best and that they expect other players to compensate for their "I just play for fun, lolz"-attitude.

    Wilfully bad does not equal bad at the game, although there are more wilfully bad players among the those in the lower performance bracket, simply because they don't try their best.

    The wilfully bad players are prevalent among those that complain about that other people don't invite them to their group as a wilfully bad player will never ever accept that his problems in-game can be of his own fault, whereas players that care about their performance always will find a way to better themselves in-game and find it natural to solve their own in-game "problems".

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbro View Post
    Anyone that actually plays high end content knows that the toxicity he/she claims is practically nonexistant, but for people like them, anyone who does high end content is an elitist cunt and therefore toxic, its kinda hilarious xd
    I mean we're talking about a person who claims they know everything about toxicity in high m+ pugs, but then claim they never pug m+ anyway. What do you expect? They probably only know the "pug community" from reddit and mmo-c forums, which just isn't a representative group.

  6. #306
    Unwittingly denying someone their dopamine fix is serious business.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    The little problem in pushing your key is that you can’t choose the key level nor the specific dungeon.

    Depending on the point you are in your “pushing” you may wait ages to find a key of the level and of the dungeon you need.

    Just stop assuming everyone has 3+ hours a day to dedicate to gaming, it’s not the case.
    If you only need specific dungeons, that's not the same problem as "not being invited to ANY dungeons". A lot of people are only after their weekly for example, or valor. If being denied from everything is better than using your own, i really don't know what to tell you except that sometimes people don't want solutions, they just want to vent, which honestly, does seem like the case here. I also made an earlier post when i asked OP if he/she could give me one good reason why, as someone who makes his own keys on my non tanks, i should take OP over 40+ people who have higher item level and rio score than OP does. No answer.

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbro View Post
    Anyone that actually plays high end content knows that the toxicity he/she claims is practically nonexistant, but for people like them, anyone who does high end content is an elitist cunt and therefore toxic, its kinda hilarious xd
    I think those people don't think high end (as in, real high end) are toxic /in high end content/. They're toxic "elitists" when they go to do lower keys/"low-end content" for a weekly or to get a vault filled and somebody fails - that's when those people make toxic comments and/or snide down-talking like they're gods or something.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by kiramon View Post
    I think those people don't think high end (as in, real high end) are toxic /in high end content/. They're toxic "elitists" when they go to do lower keys/"low-end content" for a weekly or to get a vault filled and somebody fails - that's when those people make toxic comments and/or snide down-talking like they're gods or something.
    Those are still the minority, i saw some awful tanks in the keys i pugged, dps pulling laughable numbers like under 5k when they should be doing over 7k etc and i didnt flame them, i just finished the key, i mean i could write a list of all the mistakes they did, but that doesnt help the key, not when its basically depleted already thanks to them so xd the guys you are talking about are the ones that get carried in high end content, cause if you are confident enough in your skill, you dont need to rub it in their faces, its shown in your own gameplay, and believe it or not people are aware when they play bad without you telling them even, you sometimes even get whisp like "sorry for the fuckups" or "thanks for the carry", which is better than making the key more painful than it already is.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycras View Post
    Yeap, you did guess right !

    Warlock !

    Title says it all..

    I've nothing to say. Thank you.
    Hi, Warlock here. Even worse, playing Venthyr.

    I've got a suggestion for you that'll solve 95% of your problems in the game, and has basically been a cure-all for these kinds of issues since 2004.
    1) Make friends. It's easy to do if you're even remotely competent as other players will gravitate towards prospects that're reliable over rolling the dice on randos every time. Plus, engaging in discussion and sharing progress with others is very enjoyable.
    2) Join those friends' guild. Pretty simple and straight-forward... if the people you like playing with have a guild, join it. Keep playing with them through various activities. If you have multiple, different groups of people you can rely on to do content, suggest making a Community with them. It's really easy.

    I say this all as someone who generally plays as much of the game as I can solo, and who wishes there were solo, offline options for Classic WoW... but if you're going to engage in group content, why rely on random, different strangers every time?

    If you don't want to build those connections, then yeah... be prepared to be a Meta-slave who is chasing fotm memes for people who want the game to be its easiest possible version by sanding down all of its rough edges via min/max.

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    It’s just a game just means it has not to be a second work. I should not be supposed to watch hours of videos and read tons of guides and sim pieces of gear and minmaxing even the headset volume to do stuff. That is called work, people usually have one for the most part of the day and that’s more than enough.

    Of course this does not mean you have to be totally clueless but again, I want to pinpoint that knowing what to do and always being able to do it are different things.

    For example, I know what to do with Stitchflesh’s hook but sometimes I miss it. I know what to do with Gorechop’s hooks but sometimes I get caught. I know that when I’m the bomb at dealer in DoS I have to jump on platform but sometimes I do it later than expected. And so on. It’s not that I do that on purpose, but sometimes happens even if I know the mechanic. Why? Because I’m not a robot.

    You can’t just pretend that ppl, especially in pugs, never fail. Yesterday I ran a NW 13, we incredibly got to the Necropolis with 2/3 deaths only, then the tank mispulled a couple of packs in Necropolis, two wipes, pride wasted, gg. Was it a toxic group? Not in the slightest, mistake happened. We finished the key 2/3 minutes overtime, what a pity but ok, no drama. Ppl were nice, I would have no problems in running again with them, in case.

    We should learn to tolerate mistakes a little more.
    WoW isn't my second job either and I don't keep up with logs or simcraft or full optimization. That doesn't stop from being prepared (having a good grasp of the key things to know for every dungeon, not the full knowledge of the small intricacies and the perfect pulls/routes but the essential knowledge and having consumables) because this kind of preparation is neither hard nor too much time consuming.

    I don't have issues with people making mistakes. We all do, myself first, especially in a pug environment with obviously limited realistic expectations. What I have more difficulties to accept is glaring and basic mistakes in a key level where it should be common knowledge (like dying on the beams on the first HoA boss). For example, I had a tank backpedaling and slowly moving backwards in HoA when tanking enraged bears in a +12 fortified setting. That was his definition of "kiting" and he got murdered multiple times. Not timing a key is fine too, but basic mistakes tend to piss me off very quickly (like triggering a Prideful during a hard pack).
    Last edited by Barzotti; 2021-03-16 at 12:20 PM.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    It’s just a game just means it has not to be a second work. I should not be supposed to watch hours of videos and read tons of guides and sim pieces of gear and minmaxing even the headset volume to do stuff. That is called work, people usually have one for the most part of the day and that’s more than enough.
    And if that is the case - any reasonable person will understand that they won't be doing high-end game content and that they will have to compete against players who do research. No one is taking sunday football dads to play in regional games - altho both sunday league and regional league is the same game.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbro View Post
    Anyone that actually plays high end content knows that the toxicity he/she claims is practically nonexistant, but for people like them, anyone who does high end content is an elitist cunt and therefore toxic, its kinda hilarious xd
    It's even more amplified by the fact that the community of high end M+ players is fairly limited, and if you behave like an asshole people will refuse to play with you.
    Last edited by Barzotti; 2021-03-16 at 12:20 PM.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by neescher View Post
    OP: "I don't get invited to groups"
    Answer: "Make your own groups"
    You: "Making your own groups is more inefficient"

    This topic is full of people who whine that they don't get invited to groups, but are unwilling to put in some work to create their own groups
    Because making your own group comes with many disadvantages.
    E.g. having a SD +13 key on a sanguine tyrannical week, while not needing a single item out of that dungeon and it does not even contribute to my goal to get x +14s done.
    I am not saying you should ONLY join other groups, but having the ability to do so, helps you out tremendously.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    Because making your own group comes with many disadvantages.
    E.g. having a SD +13 key on a sanguine tyrannical week, while not needing a single item out of that dungeon and it does not even contribute to my goal to get x +14s done.
    I am not saying you should ONLY join other groups, but having the ability to do so, helps you out tremendously.
    Disadvantages like having to (gasp) work your key up to the level you want to be doing content at, instead of relying on other people to get there and then lifting you up so you can take advantage of THEIR work instead of putting in your own? Wow

    (Somewhat exaggerated response, but yeah... again, the problem isn't you, it's the cutthroat level of competition for dps spots)
    Last edited by Sanitee; 2021-03-16 at 12:28 PM.

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by Akibaboy View Post
    Hi, Warlock here. Even worse, playing Venthyr.

    I've got a suggestion for you that'll solve 95% of your problems in the game, and has basically been a cure-all for these kinds of issues since 2004.
    1) Make friends. It's easy to do if you're even remotely competent as other players will gravitate towards prospects that're reliable over rolling the dice on randos every time. Plus, engaging in discussion and sharing progress with others is very enjoyable.
    2) Join those friends' guild. Pretty simple and straight-forward... if the people you like playing with have a guild, join it. Keep playing with them through various activities. If you have multiple, different groups of people you can rely on to do content, suggest making a Community with them. It's really easy.

    I say this all as someone who generally plays as much of the game as I can solo, and who wishes there were solo, offline options for Classic WoW... but if you're going to engage in group content, why rely on random, different strangers every time?

    If you don't want to build those connections, then yeah... be prepared to be a Meta-slave who is chasing fotm memes for people who want the game to be its easiest possible version by sanding down all of its rough edges via min/max.
    I can attest to this, my alt is a warlock, only 205, but still did my 14 key yesterday as affliction cause I just like the spec. To make matters even "worse", I play with 2 friends that are non-meta dps, and we still found tank and healer for our keys to get our weekly done.
    I know you want KSM, and it's perfectly possible if you just run you and your friends keys. This game is simply not enjoyable with all players being pugs.
    I've rolled tank recently to focus on KSM, and I can tell you, the last dps spot in my groups is simply gonna the best I can get, cause pug dps are overall pretty damn bad. Everyone has 216 nowadays, and somehow especially hunters seem to struggle doing ok dps.

    But I would have invited OP with that score and gear no problem, and just use drums. All it takes is to not die to stupid stuff and know when to pump, and when to hold

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by AlmightyGerkin View Post
    How to solve this problem in one easy step:
    1:Create your own group.
    Yes. Create than wipe on 1st pack. Tank is leaving GG. Ur key is dumped. Last week ive made like this. Done 1st instance than fail after 1st pack. Tank pulled too much and we wiped he left GG.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by cface View Post
    I can attest to this, my alt is a warlock, only 205, but still did my 14 key yesterday as affliction cause I just like the spec. To make matters even "worse", I play with 2 friends that are non-meta dps, and we still found tank and healer for our keys to get our weekly done.
    I know you want KSM, and it's perfectly possible if you just run you and your friends keys. This game is simply not enjoyable with all players being pugs.
    I've rolled tank recently to focus on KSM, and I can tell you, the last dps spot in my groups is simply gonna the best I can get, cause pug dps are overall pretty damn bad. Everyone has 216 nowadays, and somehow especially hunters seem to struggle doing ok dps.

    But I would have invited OP with that score and gear no problem, and just use drums. All it takes is to not die to stupid stuff and know when to pump, and when to hold
    But you only would have taken op because you're aware of his situation. There's a ton of ppl in op's shoes in every que, but to all of us who don't know them, they're numbers on a screen

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    Yes. Create than wipe on 1st pack. Tank is leaving GG. Ur key is dumped. Last week ive made like this. Done 1st instance than fail after 1st pack. Tank pulled too much and we wiped he left GG.
    And now you know why others take the ones they think are least likely to ruin their key. Congrats on the revelation. You think other ppl care less about their keys than you care about yours? They face the exact same risk every time but they risk it and reap the rewards

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    A not insignificant part of WoW's player base is wilfully bad - players that don't do their best and don't respect the time of their fellow gamer.
    There can be wilfully bad gamers among bad players as well as among better players. What is common for them is that the find it ok not to try their best and that they expect other players to compensate for their "I just play for fun, lolz"-attitude.

    Wilfully bad does not equal bad at the game, although there are more wilfully bad players among the those in the lower performance bracket, simply because they don't try their best.

    The wilfully bad players are prevalent among those that complain about that other people don't invite them to their group as a wilfully bad player will never ever accept that his problems in-game can be of his own fault, whereas players that care about their performance always will find a way to better themselves in-game and find it natural to solve their own in-game "problems".
    I understand what are you trying to say here, but I think that as usual truth lies in the middle.

    There are a lot of clueless ppl that just search for carries and there are a lot of ppl that try to perform decently, with mistakes here and there, and they don’t deserve to be insulted if/when they make a mistake.

    I can indeed believe that in close to 15 bracket people become more choosy and players with proper experience but out of the meta have an hard life. Again, pushing your own key or make your own routine group to push is surely the best way, but try to understand that it’s not always possible.

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycras View Post
    Yeap, you did guess right !

    Warlock !

    Title says it all..

    I've nothing to say. Thank you.
    But I bet people would join your group if you just made one......at that point they see the RIO tool tip and go for it.
    ~steppin large and laughin easy~

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