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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    Yes. Create than wipe on 1st pack. Tank is leaving GG. Ur key is dumped. Last week ive made like this. Done 1st instance than fail after 1st pack. Tank pulled too much and we wiped he left GG.
    One of the many occurrences in a pug group is that.

  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    thos are literaly numbers of KSM from Legion , BfA 8.1 and 8.2 and SL .

    only tier when more people completed KSM was 8.3 when people did m+ with crazy corruptions.

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    i dont find it surprising. from my experience most of 215 pugs usually barely time +10 or go over time.

    its like 50:50 - either you ahve people with whom you time it with 10 mintues to spare or you have people who cannot time it even with that gear.

    and all of them have the same r.io .

    thats the reality of wow pugs.

    how do i know it ? i do +10 on 3 chars each week for few weeks not - why +10 ? it took me nearly 1 hour to get my 218 DH into 1x +12 this week .

    maybe you have multiple hours to waste each week to spend browsing lfg. i dont.
    If it are official number, link please. Also bfa s1 e.g. had no incentive to do more than +10, SL has plenty motivation.

  3. #363
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    Quote Originally Posted by neescher View Post
    Are you talking about warlocks?

    - Good single target dps in tyrannical weeks
    - Soulstone
    - Healthstones
    - Portal skips
    - Banish
    - Cloth loot trading
    - AoE stun
    - Magic damage and scales with int (so good fit if you already have a mage and DH)
    Unfortunately it doesn't make up for the fairly weak trash damage which is like 90% of fucking m+. Lots of other classes can provide similar enough utility and blow up trash. Frankly I gave up and went destro. The single target isn't that far behind and the cleave/are is strong.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Unfortunately it doesn't make up for the fairly weak trash damage which is like 90% of fucking m+. Lots of other classes can provide similar enough utility and blow up trash. Frankly I gave up and went destro. The single target isn't that far behind and the cleave/are is strong.
    Destros are still warlocks though. I've had groups sometimes where we were 4 ppl and I was actively looking for a warlock for the last spot. But yeah, many ppl don't do that and just look at what the pros are doing, but there's nothing you can do to change those ppls minds...

  5. #365
    Yes, thank you for suggesting the super obvious solution that nobody has known about until you posted it.

    The "211" player represents players that are getting left behind by toxic logic just a little bit more each day. Just wait till season 2, the experience difference will be massive for 15's and up.

    For the last time. Everyone knows you can make your own groups. Everyone knows it is easier to game with friends. You are not breaking news or informing anyone of something they have not known.

    Ill do your snarky response for you. "Well i'm sure some people don't know." The people you are talking to in this thread are well aware that you can make your own groups.

    We are talking about PUGGING.

    And no, responding with "yea well im saying pugging sucks make your own group." Not helpful and off topic.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    Nobody joins groups created by DDs.
    I get people joining my group all the time. Warlock. Ilvl 192. Just did a 10 where the pugs were 215 plus. Took 2 mins to fill. Would you invite a lock with sub 200 rio, ilvl 192, and not meta? WOULD YOU? That's why I make my own. 3 druids and a hunter this morning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by neescher View Post
    Are you talking about warlocks?

    - Good single target dps in tyrannical weeks
    - Soulstone
    - Healthstones
    - Portal skips
    - Banish
    - Cloth loot trading
    - AoE stun
    - Magic damage and scales with int (so good fit if you already have a mage and DH)
    soulstone is just a cr only benefit for it is you can put it on some 1 at any point
    healthstones additional health pot 1 point
    portal sips not really that great not much use for them
    banish a cc that cant be broken 1 point
    cloth loot trading something that isn't unique to locks so no dice there not a reason to bring them over a mage
    aoe stun haven't seen many if any locks utilising this
    magic dmg still not a reason to take them over a mage

    i give you 2 points for this list

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by ReD-EyeD View Post
    Make.

    Your.

    Own.

    Group.

    (Now watch the very same people who whine about not being invited into groups only inviting meta classes and ignoring others.)
    Of course. If you don't know them and you're too lazy to investigate (rio) then do it. I try to invite any tank, resto shaman, and two of boomie, mage, or hunter. If I'm lucky enough to get tank first then I holdout for what I want with big ilvl. Been working really well over the last 8 days. Went from some scrub doing a 2 a week to a scrub doing a 10 a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    its try but very irritating when it happens when you are overqualified for the grp you are signing for
    But are you the most over qualified? If you're not getting picked then you aren't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Of course. If you don't know them and you're too lazy to investigate (rio) then do it. I try to invite any tank, resto shaman, and two of boomie, mage, or hunter. If I'm lucky enough to get tank first then I holdout for what I want with big ilvl. Been working really well over the last 8 days. Went from some scrub doing a 2 a week to a scrub doing a 10 a week.

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    But are you the most over qualified? If you're not getting picked then you aren't.
    now you are putting words into my mouth, i never said i was the most over qualified person for the grp.

    i said that im over qualified for the group when i sign for a 15 with 1300 score as that's the score you get for clearing all 15s in time without going higher

    so i'm saying that i'm overqualified not that i'm the most overqualified there is a difference and it's about time you realise that

  10. #370
    Running your own +15 keys is far, far less painful than trying to get in one, and you don't even need a crazy high RIO to get skilled people to join. I was below 1150 when I started running my +15s and people applied in absolute droves, especially DPS; one can only wonder how many DPS apply to groups made by 1300+ players, especially tanks or healers. There's tons of skilled players just looking for a specific key, so yeah the 1450 Hunter or Mage with +17 experience will get taken over the 1300 Lock. That's how competition works when +15 keys are in very, very high demand.

    Not that Locks are bad, of course not, they're in fact one of the better M+ class when played properly. You just try to get into keys that aren't yours as Fury.
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  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Gratz View Post
    Yes, thank you for suggesting the super obvious solution that nobody has known about until you posted it.

    The "211" player represents players that are getting left behind by toxic logic just a little bit more each day. Just wait till season 2, the experience difference will be massive for 15's and up.

    For the last time. Everyone knows you can make your own groups. Everyone knows it is easier to game with friends. You are not breaking news or informing anyone of something they have not known.

    Ill do your snarky response for you. "Well i'm sure some people don't know." The people you are talking to in this thread are well aware that you can make your own groups.

    We are talking about PUGGING.

    And no, responding with "yea well im saying pugging sucks make your own group." Not helpful and off topic.
    People are telling you the solutions. Currently the market is vastly over saturated with qualified (or at least well geared with good score) dps... Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not a solution. What would YOUR solution be and can you give me, as someone who runs my own keys, ONE reason why i should take someone with a lower rio score and lower item level than others when there's 50 ppl competing for 2-3 spots?

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Bee76 View Post
    Well that is a weak argument. If you open your group, even with good score, higher than needed for a +15, you have to wait a REAL long time for a tank if you are no meta specc. You get a lot of tanks, most of them with low rio or no experience in that stone lvl, i.e SD +15 and tank got untimed 11 as best key.
    Or ofc, you can get a real good tank, but he got a "friend" that you will have to carry...

    Good and experienced tanks can choose their grp, why they should list in a grp with no metas, knowing it will take longer and will be harder to time/finish it ?

    The key problem is balance! Or overtuned Dungeons. But 5 low performing meta-players will have an easier run timing a +15 than 5 high performing players on bad speccs/covenants. A real good played warlock will perform worse than a medium played firemage. And if you invite a warlock or join a warlock grp you cant know if he is a good performing player.

    @OP
    the easiest solution is collecting non meta tanks on your friendslist. It will take some time, it will cost some keys, but it will make your m+ life so much more comfortable for future runs/seasons.
    TIL that it takes ages for a tank. I mean it takes a shitty ilvl 192 warlock almost 2 mins to find a 220 tank for a 10. It.must be my rio score of under 200 which reeled him in.

    You're just using any excuse to be lazy. How about you make your own group and do your daily chores or do some farming or talk to someone else or watch a video. Anything is better than applying and then being rejected. What do you think you have to do? Actually lead the group?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by Gratz View Post
    The "211" player represents players that are getting left behind by toxic logic just a little bit more each day. Just wait till season 2, the experience difference will be massive for 15's and up.
    The experience difference will be the same. A person stuck at item level 211 now will be stuck at the equivalent of 211 in season 2. And they will have experience running the exact same content they have now. You seem to be getting way to upset over a simple discussion. If you want to ensure you get in a group as a DPS meta or non-meta spec you create your own group.

    Because DPS regardless of spec still competes with dozens of others applying to that pug. Creating your own group, or finding friends through pugging, are the only viable way to fix this issue. Because it ensures you have a reserved spot in any run.
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  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    soulstone is just a cr only benefit for it is you can put it on some 1 at any point
    It's a CR, it's a reason to bring a warlock if you don't have a CR in your group or want a second one.


    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    portal sips not really that great not much use for them
    That's debatable. Not having to use invis pots means you can use dmg pots and your healer can use mana pots


    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    aoe stun haven't seen many if any locks utilising this
    How is that even relevant? Having an aoe stun is a big advantage. If all the warlocks you know don't use it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist


    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    cloth loot trading something that isn't unique to locks so no dice there not a reason to bring them over a mage
    magic dmg still not a reason to take them over a mage
    They are good reasons to bring a WL over a mage if other points from this list apply, like if you need a CR


    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    i give you 2 points for this list
    To be honest I don't care about your points. Everything I listed are valid reasons to invite warlocks.

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    Ya, meta spec X will clear a key 20 seconds faster than non-meta spec Z, so let's just never bring Z. That is the current reality.

    At least in raids bringing non-meta specs makes sense to some degree since if you brought all of the same classes, people would struggle to get geared.
    Nah, it's not like that at all. Trash prob makes up 2 thirds of the time. If your meta is doubling the non meta which is reasonable to expect then you would think that it would take about 3 mins longer in a 40 min dungeon. For 1 bad dps. Make them all non meta and that's 9 mins. Reason enough not to take the gamble.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

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    This last week I've created a bunch of listings and guess what.. Whenever we search for a DPS or two, we get literally a hundred applicants within the first minute. I don't care about meta for a lowly +15/16, but your chance of getting invited is very slim to begin with. Start creating groups like the key system intended.

    That said, no it doesn't help that "sometimes you should bring the class over the player", is Ion's STATED game philosophy since BFA. Of course people are going to slot in the best class specific abilities and worship the meta now more than ever. However lets not kid ourselves, if you think you need a specific class to clear +15 you're just not playing very well.
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  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Nah, it's not like that at all. Trash prob makes up 2 thirds of the time. If your meta is doubling the non meta which is reasonable to expect then you would think that it would take about 3 mins longer in a 40 min dungeon. For 1 bad dps. Make them all non meta and that's 9 mins. Reason enough not to take the gamble.
    What meta specs do double the overall DPS of non-meta specs assuming roughly equal skill/gear level?

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by cface View Post
    Ask tank to link route or tell him you're not comfortable with 2-3 packs at start, problem solved. Usually, if you fail on first pack you don't really deserve the key, everyone got their cds up
    Thats great and im fucked up for the rest of the week >< Mistakes happen but the penalty is really overwhelming.

  19. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    Thats great and im fucked up for the rest of the week >< Mistakes happen but the penalty is really overwhelming.
    Yes, once a key is depleted, it is deleted for the rest of the week

  20. #380
    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    Ok tell me why I should invite you to my key over the following
    Fire mage
    Shadow priest
    DK
    WW monk
    Hunter
    Balance Druid
    Arms warrior
    Havoc DH
    Shaman

    Give me 3 good reasons
    Kyrian Havoc DH - very high aoe burst on practivaly every single trahs pack in dungeon + aoe stun + range intrupt / instanc CC with prison .

    their only downside is low ST dmg and that demon form has 4 minutes CD (should be shorter duration but 2 minutes instead 4 , imo would be much more fun spec to play ) - which should be negated by pride + BL on problematic bosses.

    i rarely see anyone topping me on trash since 99% of tanks in 10-12 bracket take always 1 pack at a time which on fortifide weeks is huge imo .

    but hey lets take that random boomkin who does half my dps . hes meta even if he doesnt know how to play . or fire mage and then take 1 pack at a time - and then wonder why he does crap dps - hes fire - he shoudl do 40-60k bursts - why he doesnt play like mages on MDI .
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