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    Gift Card Face Slap

    Although not purely about wow, clearly the "e-sport" division of Blizzard includes both the Arena Comp and M+ comps, so I think this is the right place for this.

    Does anyone else feel like the $200 gift card is a HUGE slap in the face? I wont comment on the severance package itself, as that is a whole other can of worms, but the gift card in particular seems like a massive middle finger from Blizzard.

    "Yeah, this isn't working out, we are letting you go. HOWEVER, we are giving you a $200 gift card...............which can only be spent on OUR products.....so.....if we could just have that $200 back, that would be great."

    How would you feel if your position was made redundant, and the company who just let you go offered you a gift card that was only redeemable with said company?

    To me, it screams "we are horribly out of touch"
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    They get a gift card on top of the regular severance package. I don't see an issue with this. I'd rather get a little bonus than nothing. If they don't need it they can use it for friends or family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    They get a gift card on top of the regular severance package. I don't see an issue with this. I'd rather get a little bonus than nothing. If they don't need it they can use it for friends or family.
    So why not offer a generic gift card? Why Blizzard only products? It holds zero value to Blizzard, and every single member of the team that has been let go know that, and Blizzard are well aware they know it.

    "Something is better than nothing" - Not if the "something" is a kick in the balls.
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    Any sane person would see your a moron.

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    Well 12 months of Company Health Insurance is already really damned good..I don't know if you ever had to get COBRA but for ME to get it is about 1400 a month just for me....multiply that by 12 then that by the people laid off and that's a pretty damned good deal. we don't know what the "3 month Severance package" is but I assume its about 3 months worth of pay. The $200 is just..you know extra like "hey sorry we fucked up have a bonus gift certificate to our store"

    I mean shit I've seen people get laid off and they got a "welp sorry" and kicked out the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterymask View Post
    Well 12 months of Company Health Insurance is already really damned good..I don't know if you ever had to get COBRA but for ME to get it is about 1400 a month just for me....multiply that by 12 then that by the people laid off and that's a pretty damned good deal. we don't know what the "3 month Severance package" is but I assume its about 3 months worth of pay. The $200 is just..you know extra like "hey sorry we fucked up have a bonus gift certificate to our store"

    I mean shit I've seen people get laid off and they got a "welp sorry" and kicked out the door.
    As i said quite clearly, as this is an international site, i wont get into the specifics of the core severance package, because in some countries it might be seen as great, but in good countries it would be seen as pretty shit. This is specifically about the "gift card"

    If someone signs a contract with ZERO redundancy package, thats on them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Utrrabbit View Post
    Any sane person would see your a moron.

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    I don't know... to me it doesn't sound that bad at all.
    As a company that tends to market itself as "we employ gamers", has actually been made by gamers and even has "please list titles made by us" on their job offers it really isn't that out of touch.

    And to everyone screaming: "they just got fired during a global pandemic."
    Yes they did, but they worked in IT, which is blooming during exactly this time; which means there are more positions open than they were before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterymask View Post
    Well 12 months of Company Health Insurance is already really damned good..I don't know if you ever had to get COBRA but for ME to get it is about 1400 a month just for me....multiply that by 12 then that by the people laid off and that's a pretty damned good deal. we don't know what the "3 month Severance package" is but I assume its about 3 months worth of pay. The $200 is just..you know extra like "hey sorry we fucked up have a bonus gift certificate to our store"

    I mean shit I've seen people get laid off and they got a "welp sorry" and kicked out the door.
    M8, most of the people posting here won't care about any of that, they will latch on the card part and demonize and berrate Blizzard for it. They would do it even if they gave each layed off person a million dollars in compensation...it is a bit pathological, really.

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    i think a $200 gift card is a bit of a dick move. it says "we care enough about you that we want to avoid bad pr" to me. blizz could easily have just given them each $200 (50 people totals it to 10k btw) which is basically pocket change for a company this big. everything else was good and its hard to fault blizz for this layoff since esports are usually big, in-person events and that isn't exactly happening with covid.

    summary, i think it's a dick move but not a big deal. at least they got real benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    As i said quite clearly, as this is an international site, i wont get into the specifics of the core severance package, because in some countries it might be seen as great, but in good countries it would be seen as pretty shit. This is specifically about the "gift card"

    If someone signs a contract with ZERO redundancy package, thats on them.
    Well the gift card is a bonus...and like I said they could of just given them NOTHING which is pretty common in America. I am American and for that level of an employee that's pretty decent. I mean if I got laid off from Wal-Mart and they gave me a $200 gift card..shit that's about 2 weeks of groceries for me

    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    i think a $200 gift card is a bit of a dick move. it says "we care enough about you that we want to avoid bad pr" to me. blizz could easily have just given them each $200 (50 people totals it to 10k btw)
    A 3 month severance Package is their monthly pay x3 and they get 12 month of Health Insurance which can average about $1500 monthly in some cases (COBRA's a bitch)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamais View Post
    M8, most of the people posting here won't care about any of that, they will latch on the card part and demonize and berrate Blizzard for it. They would do it even if they gave each layed off person a million dollars in compensation...it is a bit pathological, really.
    I know...I mean if I do the math I'd assume most of those people would of made what on average $75,000 a year? So that's about $6,250.00 a month...They are getting a flat payout of $18,750 plus about $20,000 worth of health insurance they dont' even have to pay for anymore

    but oh no $200 gift card on top of that real kick in the face
    Last edited by Mysterymask; 2021-03-17 at 06:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post

    "Something is better than nothing" - Not if the "something" is a kick in the balls.
    Can’t believe the levels of hatred Blizzard gets on this forum sometimes, please give me a $200 Blizzard gift card over a kick in the balls anyday

    ONTOP of the severance package they are receiving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterymask View Post
    Well the gift card is a bonus...and like I said they could of just given them NOTHING which is pretty common in America. I am American and for that level of an employee that's pretty decent. I mean if I got laid off from Wal-Mart and they gave me a $200 gift card..shit that's about 2 weeks of groceries for me
    Yes, but you can't buy Groceries at the Blizzard store.

    Not saying the severance package should be ignored, but in a high level IT position, a severance package is expected. The $200 gift card for the Blizzard store does feel a little weird - I don't think it's something they expected though, so it does seem like just a bonus thrown on top of the expected severance package. Certainly nothing to get up in arms over.

    As someone who never wants to think about an old job once I've left it though, I certainly wouldn't be buying things from the Blizzard store with it, so it'd basically just be a waste for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterymask View Post
    A 3 month severance Package is their monthly pay x3 and they get 12 month of Health Insurance which can average about $1500 monthly in some cases (COBRA's a bitch)

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    that doesn't change my point. it be a bonus but its a rather crappy bonus. hey guys, we're firing you. since you no longer work for us, here is a gift card to get you invested into blizzard games which have clearly gotten worse over the years because of bad management and corporate practices. it's just a crappy bonus no matter how you look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Although not purely about wow, clearly the "e-sport" division of Blizzard includes both the Arena Comp and M+ comps, so I think this is the right place for this.

    Does anyone else feel like the $200 gift card is a HUGE slap in the face? I wont comment on the severance package itself, as that is a whole other can of worms, but the gift card in particular seems like a massive middle finger from Blizzard.

    "Yeah, this isn't working out, we are letting you go. HOWEVER, we are giving you a $200 gift card...............which can only be spent on OUR products.....so.....if we could just have that $200 back, that would be great."

    How would you feel if your position was made redundant, and the company who just let you go offered you a gift card that was only redeemable with said company?

    To me, it screams "we are horribly out of touch"
    I mean chances are they already have subs to some or all of Blizzard's products... so they would spend the $200 anyway but now they don't have to and can spend the 200 they would've spent on Blizzard games on other things. also, you seem to be ignoring the severance package entirely... you said you won't comment on it as that is a whole other can of worms... but from the comments here it's a pretty fucking decent can of worms so yeah all things combined it's pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Yes, but you can't buy Groceries at the Blizzard store.
    no you can't but if they are spending money at the Blizzard store anyway (wow subs etc) then the 200 they would've spent on Blizzard shit can be spent on other things... like groceries

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    no you can't but if they are spending money at the Blizzard store anyway (wow subs etc) then the 200 they would've spent on Blizzard shit can be spent on other things... like groceries
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    As someone who never wants to think about an old job once I've left it though, I certainly wouldn't be buying things from the Blizzard store with it, so it'd basically just be a waste for me.
    As mentioned.
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    Didn't they fire like 800 people some time ago? Feel 50 is not that much when comparing.
    Do you hear the voices too?

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    Honestly it's crazy to me how much people have hyper-focused on this and decided to get mad about it. I guess it goes to show that sometimes the best move is the stingy one, since if they'd have just axed the 200$ cards no one would even be batting an eye. It's an admittedly small little add-on, but considering the OTHER STUFF (that the OP seems to want to ignore to instead focus on being mad about the 200$ cards???) makes up the vast bulk of money being spent on these packages I can sleep pretty safely at night without being upset about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knife Pervert View Post
    if they'd have just axed the 200$ cards no one would even be batting an eye.=
    Correct - and thats the point. If you give someone a $200 gift card, but the only way to redeem that gift card is to give it back to the person who just gave it to you, its a bit of a slap in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Utrrabbit View Post
    Any sane person would see your a moron.

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    When I first read it my kneejerk reaction was the same, although with the rest of the benefits being offered my mind changed.

    In all likelihood this isn't like when they just completely dumped Heroes of the Storm. These folks have seen the writing on the wall since the start of the pandemic and being let go right now isn't a surprise.

    Also there's a very strong likelihood of them being rehired in 6 months as we approach the 80% vaccine threshold and implement laws that will allow for in person events and team travel. Most people are understanding and happy that eSports in general was able to shift into a virtual space, but people love the live events and they will make a return, which means that those being let go are probably the first to be rehired to bring back the events in the fall.

    If anything I'd say they've been kept on payroll to set up plans to revamp live tournament events and now that all the prep work is done are being laid off until they can start up the actual events.

    The gift card is just glad handing.

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    Seems like it would be a great thing to give as an Xmas gift or Birthday gift at some point if they didn't want to keep it themselves.
    As an American seeing 12 months of healthcare in the severance package is blowing my mind.
    Last time I was offered Cobra, over 10 years ago mind you, it was about $400/wk and it was only for a very limited time from what I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Correct - and thats the point. If you give someone a $200 gift card, but the only way to redeem that gift card is to give it back to the person who just gave it to you, its a bit of a slap in the face.
    It's a slap in the face if you're looking for something to bitch about. Blizzard isn't buying 200$ of gift cards, they're issuing them for free and handing them out as tiny little extras. It's effectively a 'Here's an IOU for some stock, pick whatever you want.' They aren't earning money off of this, they aren't generating profit from these gift cards. This is no different than if they'd just given all the laid off employees a Gryphon and Wyvern plushie or one of those big Sylvanas statues as a 'thanks for being with us, we hope you enjoy the memory of working here' gift. A company can internally cost out 10,000$ worth of inventory far easier than they can drop 10,000(+tax) of random giftcards for random companies. If Blizzard ex-employees are upset about the gift cards, then they can sell 'em or ignore them because a 200$ Epic Game Store giftcard or whatever was never on the menu to begin with. This is all pretty basic. It's an easy way to simply slip something in someone's hand as a bonus rather than having to go through the lengthy and arbitrary process of procuring gift cards from OTHER companies for the sake of appeasing internet fee-fees.

    At this point it's just petty to whine about this.

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