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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    We get WoW news, but it’s for TBC. Even if Classic and Retail are separate teams, they’re at least working together or communicating and I am pretty sure they try to not intertwine their release schedules too much.

    The focus of the first half of 2021 is TBC. The focus of the second half most likely is retail. This coincides with the TBC pre patch in May and a likely release in June, whereas 9.1 comes in July (or later).
    I have no idea why they'd want to work on TBC anyway, especially since SL's the supposed big talk rn...

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    I get catering to Nostalgia, but ruining your own current game to satisfy the needs of people that are trapped in the past is not a good idea.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by McFrotton View Post
    .1 patch did not bring anything new in the last expansion, they just unlocked the actual raid, same in legion. Raids were locked so people would not rush in. Now it was unlocked from the get go and I think it was a mistake. They should have opened the raid in january.
    Well i think me and my whole guild would have just sit around for all of december with nothing to do...
    so you shifted the downtime from inbetween patches to the start of the expansion... which is even worse imho

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainV View Post
    June is optimistic considering covid and its more likley July at the earliest.
    They said COVID didn't stop them, so I'm not using that shit as an excuse. It's just them not knowing wtf is going on. Doesn't help people are getting fired or are just leaving left and right.

    Unless 9.1 has some crazy fucking shit going on, like fully rendered cinematics, or very big reveals popping in, then this is just Blizzard being an extremely poor and stupid company rn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    They said COVID didn't stop them, so I'm not using that shit as an excuse. It's just them not knowing wtf is going on. Doesn't help people are getting fired or are just leaving left and right.

    Unless 9.1 has some crazy fucking shit going on, like fully rendered cinematics, or very big reveals popping in, then this is just Blizzard being an extremely poor and stupid company rn.
    The big reveal would be the actual motivation of the Jailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    I get catering to Nostalgia, but ruining your own current game to satisfy the needs of people that are trapped in the past is not a good idea.
    Don't kid yourself. All of their players are trapped in the past.

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    If you mean we're all playing a very old game anyway, yeah, high-five, good one.

    But if you're talking about enjoying Classic, no, I have zero interest in playing Classic, vanilla or TBC.

  6. #266
    Seeing as how Blizzard insiders are afraid it's not coming out soon then I'd say fall at the earliest maybe even winter

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    I have no idea why they'd want to work on TBC anyway, especially since SL's the supposed big talk rn...

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    I get catering to Nostalgia, but ruining your own current game to satisfy the needs of people that are trapped in the past is not a good idea.
    If the people "trapped in the past" provide more $$$ than the "modern" folks, Blizzard will surely throw the latter under the bus. Money talks, after all.
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    I have no idea why they'd want to work on TBC anyway, especially since SL's the supposed big talk rn...

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    I get catering to Nostalgia, but ruining your own current game to satisfy the needs of people that are trapped in the past is not a good idea.
    Classic is incredibly successful. Classic brought back a ton of players and so will TBC. I think it’s pretty clever to focus on both. That retail is having major issues when it comes to player retention shouldn’t be blamed on Classic, it’s the mismanagement and wrong direction retail is taking since BfA why people are leaving in droves and are starved for better content overall (in my opinion).
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  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    If the people "trapped in the past" provide more $$$ than the "modern" folks, Blizzard will surely throw the latter under the bus. Money talks, after all.
    Except most people that played Classic either quit or moved on after like 2 months of playing, and only returned for a raid, or an event then dipped. Sure, there were people that stayed, but still. TBC Classic's success will not nearly be as big as Classic's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Classic is incredibly successful. Classic brought back a ton of players and so will TBC. I think it’s pretty clever to focus on both. That retail is having major issues when it comes to player retention shouldn’t be blamed on Classic, it’s the mismanagement and wrong direction retail is taking since BfA why people are leaving in droves and are starved for better content overall (in my opinion).
    The thing is that SL is much different than BFA, but it's also on the opposite end of what's wrong with WoW, so we got 2 sides of a very shitty coin. Also, sure Classic and TBC will bring a lot of people back, but they still need a retail subscription to play (I think, yeah?), so why not focus on the main fucking game? TBC and Classic are hype shit, yes. But that only keeps people in for a short amount of time. The main game should be the main concern here.

  10. #270
    Who knows? Maybe it'll be bigger. I don't care because I have no interest in playing it. It's like Hearthstone and their MOBA (can't even remember its name!), I don't care about those games.

    I'm sure there are plenty of people who enjoy both classic and live WoW. I'm sure classic brought back players to live too. I'm just not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    If you mean we're all playing a very old game anyway, yeah, high-five, good one.

    But if you're talking about enjoying Classic, no, I have zero interest in playing Classic, vanilla or TBC.
    It's not just about being old. The way the game works, is old. The most restrictive trial edition, no housing beside Garrisons, unintuitive profession system, no action combat, bags for inventory space, no console version, no solo option for dungeons if you are stuck in the queue.

    Granted you could argue this isn't a problem since WoW is still a money printing machine, but modern MMOs tend to attempt to move away from these things. Oh and put a lot more focus on and effort in, storytelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    The big reveal would be the actual motivation of the Jailer.
    You can't have motivations if you don't have a personality first, something our Blue Man is sorely lacking atm.
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    You can't have motivations if you don't have a personality first, something our Blue Man is sorely lacking atm.
    Are villains not allowed to just be evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomten View Post
    They are actively firing people, not hiring or giving overtime. If anything, they are more focused on TBC classic, because thats what will truly spike sub numbers in a way 9.1 could only dream off.

    Personally, i'm very cool with an sep/oct release because a summer raid? Even in corona times thats a stretch, i dont wanna sit inside when its 25-30c and sun outside.
    Now? Its winter and minus celsius outside and I have about 8 hours of sunlight per day, couldn't be better time to release the raid right now for me... but shit is what it is :/
    They are hiring people and over watch exports layoffs do nothing to effect wow.

  15. #275
    If anything, the problem with many of WoW's villains comes from the fact that not alot of them are just evil? They have "motivations" or "goals", or they're "MISUNDERSTOOD HURR" like...no.

    I WANT AN EVIL ASS MOTHER FUCKER!

  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Granted you could argue this isn't a problem since WoW is still a money printing machine, but modern MMOs tend to attempt to move away from these things. Oh and put a lot more focus on and effort in, storytelling.
    Sure, but none of them have managed to compete with WoW in subscriptions or (for F2P/B2P) MAUs. Most of the other MMOs are straight-up failures. Only FFXV and ESO are even in the running in the West. Maybe GW2, although it's clearly on its way out-- and GW2 was the most "modern" MMO released ever, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    Are villains not allowed to just be evil?
    They are, but that makes for a quite boring villain (TEH END OF UR WERLD MUAHAHA /cackle). Moreover, the franchise has already had more than its fair share of those.
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    The thing is that SL is much different than BFA, but it's also on the opposite end of what's wrong with WoW, so we got 2 sides of a very shitty coin. Also, sure Classic and TBC will bring a lot of people back, but they still need a retail subscription to play (I think, yeah?), so why not focus on the main fucking game? TBC and Classic are hype shit, yes. But that only keeps people in for a short amount of time. The main game should be the main concern here.
    I‘m pretty sure TBC will keep players longer interested and subbed to the game than 9.1, because there’s a lot to do in TBC. And even Classic realms after 1.5 years are still busy. Retail is fire and forget, you can rush through the content within a few days. In Classic and TBC you just need more time to get stuff done. And TBC might not be as massive as Classic, but it’s launch and the first months for sure will be at least as populated as retail (during launch I am sure TBC will trump Shadowlands activity).
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  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    There’s no indicator yet that makes a September release likely. The most likely month is July due to what I’ve said. September would be way too long and I don’t think it’ll be this late.

    If the PTR goes live within the next week(s), we’re heading towards an end of June / July release. If the PTR isn’t here by mid April, I would get a bit more worried, but still. 8-10 week PTS cycles still indicate a June/July release.
    Your only hunch is that "September is way too long"is based on nothing. Well that's not really dealing with actual evidence or from what we know. These are different times and I bet COVID has presented Blizzard with new challenges. Shadowlands felt like it was rushed out in the first place and I doubt they had even started working on the 9.1 content back then. They would have shown us something at Blizzcon like they did for Diablo 4, Diablo 2. They showed no game play, no video of the new raid, bosses or anything other than some art work. There is no way are they going to be able to release a patch 9.1 in 6 months under normal conditions let alone during COVID.

    There is every indicator that patch 9.1 is further away than most are assuming and nothing to tell us that its anywhere close to release on retail or even on the PTR. This expansion will be a pretty short one. I think COVID has put a huge strain on them and they will not be able to develop content as quickly as they wanted to and I think they'll simply rush through the story they want to tell and release the next expansion after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    September looks a bit too much for me. But late July/August is looking more likely with every passing day imo.
    Based on? I just took September as an earliest point. Not even saying its launching in September. Which is why I said I wouldn't even be surprised if its release late this year.

  20. #280
    Indeed. Straight-up evil is one-dimensional and boring. The void as an agent of chaos and infinite possibility is far more compelling than any cackling villain doing dastardly deeds for the sheer pleasure of it.

    The problem with WoW storytelling isn't that their villains are three-dimensional characters, it's that many of them try to be, but then fail, because their motivations are never explained. Sylvanas and the Jailer talk about freeing the bonds of life and death, but really, what are those bonds, and what end-state are they aiming for? If they explained that, and it at least made a twisted sort of sense in an ends justifying the means sort of manner, they would be far more compelling characters.

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