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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Which has... nothing to do with greed, but with opposing creating a barrier to housing?
    Regulation requiring people to have saved money is a barrier to housing, that makes sense - but some dislike; because they want a house that they cannot (or just barely) afford; due to greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    but some dislike; because they want a house that they cannot (or just barely) afford; due to greed.
    And again; wanting a home is not greedy no matter how many times you insist it is. Rofl.

    That much is apparent by how you keep having to deflect to people buying second homes or investment properties and making them out to be representative of the majority who got fucked over by those financial instruments. It's the same sort of victim blaming nonsense argument that they used to use about arsenical green, leaded petrol, cigarettes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    And again; wanting a home is not greedy no matter how many times you insist it is.
    Wanting to own a home you cannot afford is based on greed, and even more thinking that it will increase in value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Wanting to own a home you cannot afford is based on greed
    Not in a society where housing is not guaranteed as a right, sweaty.

    Fix capitalism and then you can start complaining about ordinary people being greedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post

    Saying "but you're having steak for dinner" is pretty much the newer "but you've got a refrigerator" in "not understanding basic household economies".
    This reminds me of a cartoon I have posted time and again and it's been around for something like 15 years.



    Reminder that back during the Bush era, Republicans and others who like to shit on poor people were saying there "Wasn't a poverty problem in the US" because a certain study reported that something like 95% of Americans owned a microwave and 90% owned an air conditioner, when both were relatively cheap commodities by that point.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Not in a society where housing is not guaranteed as a right,
    Tens of millions of Americans have achieved housing without buying a house; but that's for people that aren't so much interested in acquiring property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Tens of millions of Americans have achieved housing without buying a house
    Landlords being a thing doesn't mean wanting to own a house is greedy, rofl.

    Greed is a function of wanting abundance beyond what you can reasonably utilize, it has fuck all to do with you thinking housing is a luxury. (And no, renting shit out is not "utilizing" it, landlords are the definition of parasites.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Landlords being a thing doesn't mean wanting to own a house is greedy, rofl.
    If you cannot afford it, yes - and there are other options than landlords as well.

    However, you still seem stuck in your alternate reality; thinking that people shouldn't take responsibility for their own actions - in a country where people neither want to take responsibility for their own actions nor have the state preventing them from doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    It has something to do with greed, and people shouldn't have to rely on regulations to prevent them from doing stupid things.
    One reason regulations were relaxed were because politicians didn't want to be seen as preventing people from owning a home.
    regulations exist to prevent greedy fucks from exploiting people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Ok boomer.

    But seriously things are not the way they used to be 40 years ago. People have to adapt to the reality of the way things actually are instead of how they were a generation or 2 ago. Some of those things weren't achievable even in those times. So setting an expectation based on an old TV show us obviously going to cause issues.
    Because the rich got richer and the cost of living keeps going up due to that, how are you still not understanding this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Landlords being a thing doesn't mean wanting to own a house is greedy, rofl.

    Greed is a function of wanting abundance beyond what you can reasonably utilize, it has fuck all to do with you thinking housing is a luxury. (And no, renting shit out is not "utilizing" it, landlords are the definition of parasites.)
    Landlords provide a valuable service in the economy ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Wanting to own a home you cannot afford is based on greed, and even more thinking that it will increase in value.
    And i'm sure its not a problem at all that house prices have sky-rocketed or how many countries have far more empty homes than they have homeless people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Landlords provide a valuable service in the economy ok.
    Owning a home is not a job and contributes fuck all.


    What can do they do better than the gov owning those same houses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    If you cannot afford it, yes
    And they were able to afford them under the new rules.

    Sounds to me like the problem is the people who changed the rules. You know, the original point? Lol.

    - and there are other options than landlords as well.
    Lemme guess, living with your parents? How about a small loan of a million dollars? It's besides the point of you trying to demonise people for an entirely reasonable thing, so as to absolve the people who created the system in which that choice was promoted as the reasonable option of their culpability.

    It's kinda gross, tbh, in the same vein that blaming people that die from unsafe consumer products rather than the company that made the products is kind of gross.

    However, you still seem stuck in your alternate reality; thinking that people shouldn't take responsibility for their own actions - in a country where people neither want to take responsibility for their own actions nor have the state preventing them from doing it.
    Yeah yeah, we get it. You hate regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    And i'm sure its not a problem at all that house prices have sky-rocketed or how many countries have far more empty homes than they have homeless people.

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    Owning a home is not a job and contributes fuck all.


    What can do they do better than the gov owning those same houses?
    Some of us provide cheap housing to those who couldn't otherwise afford it. But I guess you'd rather people be homeless or forced to live with their parents when they don't want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Landlords provide a valuable service in the economy ok.
    No they don't, they leverage scarcity in the housing market to force people to choose between homelessness and paying the landllord an entirely arbitrary number. The landlord creates nothing of value while extracting value from the system - i.e. a parasite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Some of us provide cheap housing to those who couldn't otherwise afford it. But I guess you'd rather people be homeless or forced to live with their parents when they don't want to.
    No, I'd rather housing be guaranteed as a right and secondary home ownership be heavily penalized financially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Some of us provide cheap housing to those who couldn't otherwise afford it. But I guess you'd rather people be homeless or forced to live with their parents when they don't want to.
    Ah, now I get it. You're a landlord, this explains so much about all of your posts.


    Your not building those homes, your providing jack shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    If you cannot afford it, yes - and there are other options than landlords as well.

    However, you still seem stuck in your alternate reality; thinking that people shouldn't take responsibility for their own actions - in a country where people neither want to take responsibility for their own actions nor have the state preventing them from doing it.
    So you’re a clown in regards to every topic, not just covid.

    That makes a lot of sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Ah, now I get it. You're a landlord, this explains so much about all of your posts.


    Your not building those homes, your providing jack shit.
    I'm providing a place to live. Making the world a better place to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    So you’re a clown in regards to every topic, not just covid.

    That makes a lot of sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    No they don't, they leverage scarcity in the housing market to force people to choose between homelessness and paying the landllord an entirely arbitrary number. The landlord creates nothing of value while extracting value from the system - i.e. a parasite.

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    No, I'd rather housing be guaranteed as a right and secondary home ownership be heavily penalized financially.
    I wish food was guaranteed but again we have to live in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Ah, now I get it. You're a landlord, this explains so much about all of your posts.


    Your not building those homes, your providing jack shit.
    Seriously, landlords are leech middlemen who only have an income stream because poverty and societal disfunction prevent housing from being affordable: they are exploiting the Vimes Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness for personal profit, a profit that comes at the expense of contributing to ongoing hardship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    I wish food was guaranteed but again we have to live in reality.
    It could be guaranteed. Easily affordable.

    But then capitalists wouldn't be as capable of squeezing profit out of human suffering.

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