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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
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    Another unsourced claim. I wonder if someone actually investigated the truth.

    Quick search:

    https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-...-to-make#jump2

    So, the range is likely 156-450$ instead. Additionally there's the software cost, and other development costs.
    They are still expensive toys, and Apple is likely making a good profit from them; but the difference isn't that large.


    No, I'm stating that the premium price translates into higher level of economic "contribution"; contradicting the previous claim.
    oh sorry i said 120 and it was 156.....

    of course it was an exaggeration to make a point but i'll go off the margins that apple reports in their 10k and stick by the fact that they are so much more expensive then they cost to produce and cost way more than Most* other phones that are even considered better.

    Not to mention the production of the phones allow for the very gross margins on the services related to the iphone.

    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    How does one plan for an unforeseen medical bill, exactly?
    Have savings. There are so many ways to prepare for unforseen events.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The wealthy do consume more. Congressman and Freedom Caucus co-founder John Fleming spends $200k per year on groceries. He does practice what he preaches.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/a-re...on-food-2011-9
    LOL 200k a year?

    still only turns out to be 3% of his income. Which is way under the average. Thus his individual impact to the economy is less than that of some middle class family.




    if you believe his 600k, then he is a moron for spending 200k of it on food.....
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    oh sorry i said 120 and it was 156.....

    of course it was an exaggeration to make a point but i'll go off the margins that apple reports in their 10k and stick by the fact that they are so much more expensive then they cost to produce and cost way more than Most* other phones that are even considered better.
    I'm not denying that they are expensive, it's just that people consistently over-use hyperbole.

    Note that $156 was the cheapest material cost and it was for the iPhone SE sold at $399.

    And even if more recent phones cost more the average markup percentage has actually decreased over time; as they have added expensive extras (sensors, cameras) - likely in part so that people feel that they get something for all the money; so the iPhone 11 Pro Max had the most expensive material cost of $450. (To me it also seems that it's way too big.)

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Have savings. There are so many ways to prepare for unforseen events.
    easy while making min wage....lets say 10.00.

    in 20 years of working i guess even if i saved half of that i could have 200k saved up, 300k if i invested it and got a reasonable return.
    Of course i would have to be homeless...but lets suspend belief.
    couldn't afford health insurance with what was left....but lets suspend belief

    One heart attack. poof goes that money.
    Cancer, oh lordy goodbye money....

    fucking should have planned better.....



    Lets hope they are in a high income state so they at least qualified for Medicaid.




    Also how do you prepare for unforeseen events that happen when you are born?
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Have savings. There are so many ways to prepare for unforseen events.
    What's the solution for people who don't make sufficient income to save?

    It's funny how there are "so many ways" to save money for a rainy day and yet they all seem to revolve around already having money to spare.
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Have savings. There are so many ways to prepare for unforseen events.
    Wow, this is so out of touch with reality.
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    I can't believe you idiots banned my main forum account because I was only showing you proof of your trolling. I will keep posting here and I will not stop this war. Just stop disrupting roleplay. You have done enough damage already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    I mean i'm sure some people believe that hoarding wealth and making the lower classes poorer means you 'want to make the world a better place' in whatever fantasy they live in.

    Yeah, feudalism on mars is going to work out great
    If you actually did a little research on Elon Musk you might have a different opinion.
    He's actively trying to solve the world's biggest problems.
    It just so happens you have to have money to do so.

    Also if you look at why his net worth is so high, it's just because he owns so much Tesla stock.
    Tesla, the company he started from nothing.
    That's not hoarding wealth.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable View Post
    If you actually did a little research on Elon Musk you might have a different opinion. He's actively trying to solve the world's biggest problems. .
    Yeah sure.
    How's that covid19 denial working out for his employees again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable View Post
    If you actually did a little research on Elon Musk you might have a different opinion.
    He's actively trying to solve the world's biggest problems.
    It just so happens you have to have money to do so.
    No he is not, feudalism on mars is only going to work out for the super rich.

    Also if you look at why his net worth is so high, it's just because he owns so much Tesla stock.
    Tesla, the company he started from nothing.
    That's not hoarding wealth.
    Its why any super-billionaire has high net-worth, did you actually think you brought in anything new?
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    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Yeah sure.
    How's that covid19 denial working out for his employees again?
    You're so ignorant, I don't know why I didn't put you on ignore earlier.
    There's obviously no intelligent conversation to be had here.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable View Post
    You're so ignorant, I don't know why I didn't put you on ignore earlier. There's obviously no intelligent conversation to be had here.
    Yeah... your hero worship = intelligent conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable View Post
    If you actually did a little research on Elon Musk you might have a different opinion.
    I have and I still loathe him just as much as before, so.

    CEO generosity is epic in proportions – or at least that is how it is portrayed. Indeed, on an individual level it is hard to find fault with those rich people who have given away vast swaths of their wealth to charitable causes, or those corporations that champion socially responsible programmes. But what CSR and philanthrocapitalism achieve more broadly is the social justification of extreme wealth inequality, rather than any kind of antidote to it. We need to note here that, despite the apparent proliferation of giving promised by philanthrocapitalism, the so-called golden age of philanthropy is also an age of expanding inequality.

    This is clearly spelled out a 2017 report by Oxfam called An Economy for the 99%. It highlights the injustice and unsustainability of a world suffering from widening levels of inequality: since the early 1990s, the top 1% of the world’s wealthy people have gained more income than the entire bottom 50%. Why so? Oxfam’s report places the blame firmly with corporations and the global market economies in which they operate. The statistics are alarming, with the world’s 10 biggest corporations having revenues that exceed the total combined revenues of the 180 least wealthy nations. Corporate social responsibility is not making any real difference. The report states: “When corporations increasingly work for the rich, the benefits of economic growth are denied to those who need them most. In pursuit of delivering high returns to those at the top, corporations are driven to squeeze their workers and producers ever harder – and to avoid paying taxes which would benefit everyone, and the poorest people in particular.”

    Neither the philanthropy of the super-rich nor socially directed corporate programmes have any real effect on combating this trend, in the same way that Zuckerberg’s handout of $3m will have a negligible effect on the San Francisco housing crisis. Instead, vast fortunes in the hands of the few, whether earned through inheritance, commerce or crime, continue to grow at the expense of the poor.

    In the end, it is capitalism that is at the heart of philanthrocapitalism, and the corporation that is at the heart of corporate social responsibility, with even well-meaning endeavours serving to justify a system that is rigged in favour of the rich.
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  16. #136
    Yeah, Musk is no hero. Him peddling misinformation about Covid-19 was rather disgusting.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    easy while making min wage....lets say 10.00.

    in 20 years of working i guess even if i saved half of that i could have 200k saved up, 300k if i invested it and got a reasonable return.
    Of course i would have to be homeless...but lets suspend belief.
    couldn't afford health insurance with what was left....but lets suspend belief

    One heart attack. poof goes that money.
    Cancer, oh lordy goodbye money....

    fucking should have planned better.....



    Lets hope they are in a high income state so they at least qualified for Medicaid.




    Also how do you prepare for unforeseen events that happen when you are born?
    seems like US only problem . could be easily solved by making decent healthcare tax for all working people and putting a leash on overpircing everything in medical sector.

    but "taxes are devil " eh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    Wow, this is so out of touch with reality.
    why is it so ? i know plenty people who could do literaly nothig and live of their savings for at least 10+ years maintaining their current livestyles.

    normal people dont do that because they like they jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Was it?



    Sounds to me like you're not disagreeing that a premium price does not automatically translate into a higher level of economic contribution, but rather nitpicking as to what degree that delta exists. Stop being a pedant.
    Conspicuous consumption, the purchase of luxury goods with a high price tag, add nothing more to the economy than buying a plain handbag. In fact, conspicuous consumption is really just money changing hands from one wealthy person to another. If an artisan hand makes it and gets most of the price, they're rich themselves. If it's some cheaply made stuff with a high price tag, the people making it still earn close to minimum wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    Have savings. There are so many ways to prepare for unforseen events.
    You have low to high six figures saved up for medical emergencies? heck if you get into an bad accident and need a major transplant the bill can run up to 7 figures that's not even including the time you will spend in the hospital recovering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgettable View Post
    Also if you look at why his net worth is so high, it's just because he owns so much Tesla stock.
    Tesla, the company he started from nothing.
    So much falsehoods here, putting your net worth into stocks is how the rich avoid paying taxes. Musk didn't start Tesla from nothing it was started by two other people before Musk even got involved when he did he was already very wealthy from previous ventures. Please for the love of god before you hero worship someone the least you can do is google them.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You have low to high six figures saved up for medical emergencies? heck if you get into an bad accident and need a major transplant the bill can run up to 7 figures that's not even including the time you will spend in the hospital recovering.

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    So much falsehoods here, putting your net worth into stocks is how the rich avoid paying taxes. Musk didn't start Tesla from nothing it was started by two other people before Musk even got involved when he did he was already very wealthy from previous ventures. Please for the love of god before you hero worship someone the least you can do is google them.
    No but I have a job with insurance so after less than what I have saved the remainder would be paid by insurance.

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