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  • Excellent: 9-10

    50 7.31%
  • Good: 7-8

    174 25.44%
  • OK: 5-6

    181 26.46%
  • Bad: 3-4

    187 27.34%
  • Horrible: 1-2

    92 13.45%
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  1. #221
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    I gave it 5-6. The leveling rework/squish is the best thing about the shadowlands launch. The content itself is...fine, just isn't exciting or particularly fun.
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  2. #222
    My opinion hasn't changed since launch.
    It's an average expansion that fixed some core problems by removing horrible systems they added with legion, AP grinding and excessive gear rng.

    But, it has introduced new problems. They seem to be fine tuning the loot system still, but it's getting there.
    Covenants, forced travel flights with pit stop on Oribos, meh maw, meh Torghast, world quest design... all current problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    Its even worse, they managed to produce a zone like Maldraxxus, which is most likely the worst zone thatbwas ever created visually wise.
    Meh, Maldraxxus is more or less OK. The Maw, on the other hand...

    And this new "annex" to the Maw coming in 9.1 looks equally dull and uninspiring. I really hope that the PTR footage I've seen in Youtube isn't the definitive version
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    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    better than bfa and legion(by little), but bad overall like those two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Meh, Maldraxxus is more or less OK. The Maw, on the other hand...

    And this new "annex" to the Maw coming in 9.1 looks equally dull and uninspiring. I really hope that the PTR footage I've seen in Youtube isn't the definitive version
    its rare that i have to agree with those who say the zones/art is bad, but...yeah, the zones look boring as hell.
    its the second time the art team fails for me, with ny'alotha being the first.
    if you want an example of how dope they coulve made ny'alotha, look at hakkars boss room in de other side:

    pyramids, wrinkled stairs, obelisks, and dark trees growing from the sides or hanging from the sky. thick mist everywhere, making it hard to spot details. its like gravity doesnt exist in that place, the architecture makes no sense and it feels otherworldy and mysterious bc of that.
    thats how ny'alotha shouldve looked like.

    same with the shadowlands: all of the zones look like they could be random places on azeroth. nothing is "alien" enough about it. outland looks more like a potential afterlife, in terms of abnormally, than any of the SL zones do.
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  6. #226
    7-8 for me.
    Less chores, great vault is a vast improvement to weekly chest.
    Some gearing issues that needs to be ironed out still. I was done on my main really quickly when it comes to gear and I don't feel a need to constantly log in, I can log in when I want to.

    Not sure how I feel about the valor thing, can't really get an upgrade from it at this point so I haven't used it yet.
    We'll see when 9.1 is out how I feel about it, but I will probably like it more than people now since people complain they have to refarm gear.
    Makes me wonder if Blizzard should have just waited with valor to 9.1 when everyone has to regear anyway due to ilvls. Now I'm sidetracking though.

    Enjoying the raid so far, maybe a bit overtuned which caused a lot of guild dramas from what I could see and hear.

    Torghast I love the idea of it, It's not perfect by any means and it loses value quite quickly so even if I enjoy it I don't really do it anymore. Mainly because it's a steamroll at this point. I enjoyed it more when it was more difficult, but I understand the need for nerfing due to legendaries. I do wish they implement more harder modes with vanity rewards.... and I mean really hard stuff.

    The main complaint for me is the covenant abilities being way to strong. I feel like they should complement the class rather than being the main thing that drives it. How convoke got past testing is beyond me. Or well, rather my guess is that they tested it and mostly did it through group environments, dungeons, pvp, raids etc etc.. where it's balanced if it has more targets. Which results in broken single target scenarios by clever use of positioning.

    I also feel like they should do something with grip, give something similar to another class as well. It's such a game changer on many mechanics and I personally don't like it when 1 class have exclusive access to a really strong spell. Being unique with more minor stuff is alright, but having done the raid with both grips and without grips I feel like it's way too strong. Anyway, side tracking again, since this has little to do with this expansion.

    Overall, good... kinks here and there which makes it feel worse than it is at times so if they are ironed out I think it can become great.

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Meh, Maldraxxus is more or less OK. The Maw, on the other hand...

    And this new "annex" to the Maw coming in 9.1 looks equally dull and uninspiring. I really hope that the PTR footage I've seen in Youtube isn't the definitive version

    I am not even counting the Maw, that does not qualify as a zone for me...

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Meh, Maldraxxus is more or less OK. The Maw, on the other hand...

    And this new "annex" to the Maw coming in 9.1 looks equally dull and uninspiring. I really hope that the PTR footage I've seen in Youtube isn't the definitive version
    I think Maldraxxus looks awesome when the skies is full of souls. It might looks dull and boring when its not up, but when it is, it's truly magnificent to me.

    I have never really liked those kind of zones, transmogs etc, I am pretty much on the light side(lol) but Necrolords and Maldraxxus is pretty cool imo.

    Should be like this all the time.

    Maw on the other hand. Now, thats boring :P
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  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    I am not even counting the Maw, that does not qualify as a zone for me...
    It‘s the worst zone Blizzard has ever created. It’s basically the Anti-Suramar. I hope the Maw is a once in a lifetime failure for Blizzard, but knowing Ion‘s incompetence they’ll double down on it and give us something similar in 10.0.
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  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    It‘s the worst zone Blizzard has ever created. It’s basically the Anti-Suramar. I hope the Maw is a once in a lifetime failure for Blizzard, but knowing Ion‘s incompetence they’ll double down on it and give us something similar in 10.0.
    I mean, they perfectly executed their vision for the zone. Absolutely nailed what they were going for.

    Unfortunately, they forgot that this is a video game and is supposed to be fun somewhere along the way.

    It's like walking into a classroom and delivering the most insightful speech on the lasting consequences of the Vietnam War... to a kindergarten class. And then being flustered when they don't applaud.

  11. #231
    It's for sure better than BFA, not even close to how bad BFA was in fact. I would probably give it a 7.5-8/10 so far.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    I mean, they perfectly executed their vision for the zone. Absolutely nailed what they were going for.

    Unfortunately, they forgot that this is a video game and is supposed to be fun somewhere along the way.

    It's like walking into a classroom and delivering the most insightful speech on the lasting consequences of the Vietnam War... to a kindergarten class. And then being flustered when they don't applaud.
    Lol, solid analogy. They were prolly high fiving over their so realistic interpretation of a hell, without realizing that most people don't actually wanna like, be in hell....

  13. #233
    It's amazing how fast the expansion dropped in popularity. That tells me that new zones and questing content will make people excited, but new systems not so much.

  14. #234
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    Worst expansion yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    It's amazing how fast the expansion dropped in popularity. That tells me that new zones and questing content will make people excited, but new systems not so much.
    The systems of retail WoW are absolutely horrible. It's a "raid or die" game (unless you PvP). WoW used to appeal to people who had different interests, but since Ion's posse took over in MoP the game slowly stopped catering to everyone and now only caters to raiders (and PvPers). If you're not willing to put up with the chores to do raiding, then the only thing a new expansion has going for it is the 10 hours of questing content, and that's it.

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    Currently it's sliding away from average for me because gearing up above ilvl200 on alts is a nightmare. Especially getting weapons. It's almost hopeless.
    Just in general aiming for a specific piece of gear is a nightmare. There is no control, just more spins of the slot. With lower drop rates it becomes especially frustrating. Even with valour, upgrade prices are so ludicrous on weapons you are better off farming dozens of the same mythic+ in the hopes of getting the one you need. Truly a waste of time.
    For an expansion that touted being alt friendly, it's anything but.

    I have kind of given up on alts and am just playing FFXIV instead. :x
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  16. #236
    9.1 taking so long has killed the expansion for me. Was a lot of fun at first but this content drought has been horrible.

  17. #237
    Well.. although I gave it an 'ok' rating, I went from pre-purchased-six months subexcited to spending most of my time doing mission table, only played 1 char this time around, not a single mythic dungeon played and just let my sub expire a few days ago.

    Can't say it's a bad x-pac, not as bad as bfa was, but this is the one that finally ended my WoW addiction. Just think of it as the last nail in my casual (full time job and a toddler including family) coffin.

    No whistle, long FP, grindy WQ (unlike legion kill dude x, it became kill x dudes), no mounts in maw, no flying, bad terrain, complexed M+ system you have to learn and master before you even set foot in it (prideful routes), too small bag space, or even quest log, legacy raids takes longer even at 206 gear...

    It all adds up and I just had enough of it. Blizz used to be stealthy about grabbing my free time, this time it was clear from day -1 all they care about is my /played and not how I can make the most enjoyment from the little to no time I have. (mainly FP, moving between zones, whistle, maw mounting).

    No more /played for me next quarter

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    The systems of retail WoW are absolutely horrible. It's a "raid or die" game (unless you PvP). WoW used to appeal to people who had different interests, but since Ion's posse took over in MoP the game slowly stopped catering to everyone and now only caters to raiders (and PvPers). If you're not willing to put up with the chores to do raiding, then the only thing a new expansion has going for it is the 10 hours of questing content, and that's it.
    What are you talking about? Raid or die? Raiding participation has dropped drastically. Since BFA and now SLs. Raiding is endgame content, they need players to have replayability in endgame content. I personally disliked not having any unique rewards from raiding. I personally enjoy LFR, I enjoy big group activities. I am supportive of them adding unique items back to raiding.

    Mythic keys have gotten all the perks. That content literally had a new system dedicated to it last patch. Was there any other new content added that I am not aware of?

    I also loved doing mog runs for old raids for these unique items for many years. (replayability) I am not the only player that feels this way.. as there was never a shortage of finding mog raid groups.

    Tbh I thought Legion did this very well. They had raid items in mythic key runs from what I remember. I didn't see any harm in that. I didn't play Castle Nathria that much, due to not being much in there for rewards. (For my taste) Which I thought it was not bad of a raid, but if it has nothing to offer.. why spend the additional time there? Compared to let's say Antorus the burning throne. I want raiding to make a come back.
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    better than wod, far worse than Legion about on par with BFA. Legion implemented the best form of alternate advancement this game has seen and they've slowly butchered it and no ion hazikostas people didn't just love it beause it was new. Every subsequent iteration wasn't as fleshed out or was purposely neutered so butt hurt raid cucks wouldn't feel forced to participate in other content.
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    Haven't had fun in the game since Warlords of Draenor.. Decided to give Shadowlands a shot but I should have trusted my gut.. This is the worst expansion Blizzard has ever made. I likely will play until my sub runs out but after that i'll be done. No reason to stay around and pay for a game that no longer captures my imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    It's for sure better than BFA, not even close to how bad BFA was in fact. I would probably give it a 7.5-8/10 so far.
    In what way is it better than Battle for Azeroth?

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