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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    He is saying 'you can donate money' but don't be proactive in just causes.

    McConnel really is a p.o.s.
    The entirety of the GOP is a horror show to democracy. I don't remember in my lifetime politics being so decisive and one side being so utterly awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    He is saying 'you can donate money' but don't be proactive in just causes.

    McConnel really is a p.o.s.
    I’d be careful... peaces of shit might sue you for defamation.
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    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics...-bill/2598206/

    Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick wants corporations to GET OUT OF POLITICS! STOP MEDDLING!

    Someone should tell him about Citizens United, I bet he'll be furious about that one : 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics...-bill/2598206/

    Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick wants corporations to GET OUT OF POLITICS! STOP MEDDLING!

    Someone should tell him about Citizens United, I bet he'll be furious about that one : 3
    Guess he's going to give back all those corporate/ceo donations to his campaigns and fundraisers?
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I wonder if this is backfiring immensely in Georgia. Stacy Abrams must be on fire by now.
    Republicans want to institute this nationwide Texas and Arizona are next, they know this is the only way they can stay in power. The republican party is united in this even "moderate" republicans are staying quiet however corporations have to follow profit and being caught supporting republicans right now is bad PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics...-bill/2598206/

    Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick wants corporations to GET OUT OF POLITICS! STOP MEDDLING!

    Someone should tell him about Citizens United, I bet he'll be furious about that one : 3
    The literal break with reality the GOP now fully embraces is fucking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Republicans want to institute this nationwide Texas and Arizona are next, they know this is the only way they can stay in power. The republican party is united in this even "moderate" republicans are staying quiet however corporations have to follow profit and being caught supporting republicans right now is bad PR.
    And they control the legislatures in all those states that are purple going toward blue. In some cases by large veto margins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And they control the legislatures in all those states that are purple going toward blue. In some cases by large veto margins.
    Biden better start applying real pressure to people like Joe Kombaya Manchin because this is for all the cards. Once these laws are in place republicans will hunker down and be even more extreme, I remember the days when I thought Michelle Bachman was as nuts as it got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Biden better start applying real pressure to people like Joe Kombaya Manchin because this is for all the cards. Once these laws are in place republicans will hunker down and be even more extreme, I remember the days when I thought Michelle Bachman was as nuts as it got.
    Holy hell does she take me back - I forgot about her now-relatively tame lunacy. I don't even know if those voting provisions coming from Congress will affect the state's laws if they contradict. Most of the state laws are specific things about polling locations or notarized absentee ballots. Usually voting mechanisms are left to the state, unless they are unconstitutional - even then the decades old Voting Rights Act got a huge bite taken out of it by a pre-Trump SCOTUS.

    The GOP might be able to seriously "re-take" america because they can lock out huge swaths of democratic voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    In other words hurt the people of Georgia. Why would you wish for that?
    I don't, but Republicans are dead set on fucking their state over, just because they lost an election, so they are going to go full 3 year old, whine, take their ball and go home after they make up all the rules. Though I don't expect this law to stand up to a legal challenge, simply because almost all of it is against the voting rights act of 64, the 14th amendment, and everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    The amount of disinformation in this thread makes my head hurt. Please, I’m begging you, actually read up on these things, don’t just believe what the talking heads say.

    Here’s some basic cliffs notes versions

    https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/...-law-sb-202-do

    https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/electio..._requirements2

    Having integrity in elections is not a bad thing, but the main thrust is that the public has to have faith in the integrity of elections. The Georgia law is an attempt to make theirs beyond reproach. Not unreasonable given the 2020 election cycle. Access is also expanded with more early voting and allowing more people to request absentee ballots.

    We can debate specifics all day long, we should in fact. But this law being labeled Jim Crow is honestly pretty offensive. Like Trump too many criticisms I’ve seen of this law have a tenuous relationship with the truth at best. I’m looking at you Biden.
    When you are making laws, BASED ON FUCKING LIES, like that the election was stolen, then yes, the law is bullshit. There is LITERALLY no evidence that the integrity of the election in question is questionable, at least to those of us with working brains that don't believe retards like Sidney Powell, Guiliani, Trump and all of his personal ball fluffers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics...-bill/2598206/

    Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick wants corporations to GET OUT OF POLITICS! STOP MEDDLING!

    Someone should tell him about Citizens United, I bet he'll be furious about that one : 3
    Especially since McConnell was the dumbass that was the one that got Citizens United through the Supreme Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    I don't, but Republicans are dead set on fucking their state over, just because they lost an election, so they are going to go full 3 year old, whine, take their ball and go home after they make up all the rules. Though I don't expect this law to stand up to a legal challenge, simply because almost all of it is against the voting rights act of 64, the 14th amendment, and everything else.
    I really hope this all gets shot down in SCOTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    When you are making laws, BASED ON FUCKING LIES, like that the election was stolen, then yes, the law is bullshit. There is LITERALLY no evidence that the integrity of the election in question is questionable, at least to those of us with working brains that don't believe retards like Sidney Powell, Guiliani, Trump and all of his personal ball fluffers.
    So, interestingly, Kemp was caught in an interview admitting that these laws have nothing to do with election fraud. At first I thought that was a great "gotcha" moment for Georgia, but now I'm worried that the reasoning behind the laws isn't fraud, and therefore aren't based on lies, and therefore have a higher chance of being upheld by SCOUTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I really hope this all gets shot down in SCOTUS.

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    So, interestingly, Kemp was caught in an interview admitting that these laws have nothing to do with election fraud. At first I thought that was a great "gotcha" moment for Georgia, but now I'm worried that the reasoning behind the laws isn't fraud, and therefore aren't based on lies, and therefore have a higher chance of being upheld by SCOUTS.
    Yep, and when you pretty much give the game away, it should be easy to strike the voter suppression laws down. You know, kinda like when Romney was running in 2012 and that dumbass that went on TV and openly admitted that voter ID laws were designed to give Romney the win in Pennsylvania.



    Without these laws, and these retards admitting to their reasoning for it, they would and should never win again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Without these laws, and these retards admitting to their reasoning for it, they would and should never win again.
    I still often think back to the daughter of the guy behind the GOP gerrymandering efforts, and how she just dumped all of her fathers material and information about how it was a coordinated, planned effort and they knew exactly what they were doing.

    And then it just kinda, disappeared.

    I think about that a lot. The most astounding thing is we have proof in their own words that almost every one of these bullshit attempts at gerrymandering or voter ID aren't actually about representation or security, and are purely about getting Republicans elected as a minority party, leveraging race to do so. And like, nothing happened as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I really hope this all gets shot down in SCOTUS.
    SCOTUS is a lost cause it won't get shot down probably a technical states rights reasoning but the republican SCOTUS is going to stall this for years plenty of time for them to take the house and senate. The courts are slow and the SCOTUS can make it even slower if they wish to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Holy hell does she take me back - I forgot about her now-relatively tame lunacy. I don't even know if those voting provisions coming from Congress will affect the state's laws if they contradict. Most of the state laws are specific things about polling locations or notarized absentee ballots. Usually voting mechanisms are left to the state, unless they are unconstitutional - even then the decades old Voting Rights Act got a huge bite taken out of it by a pre-Trump SCOTUS.

    The GOP might be able to seriously "re-take" america because they can lock out huge swaths of democratic voters.
    HR1 would overwrite most of their voter suppression effort because of things like universal mail in voting even if they screwed polling locations it would not matter as much. If anything it would end up hurting them because more and more democrats would vote by mail versus their people who want to vote in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I still often think back to the daughter of the guy behind the GOP gerrymandering efforts, and how she just dumped all of her fathers material and information about how it was a coordinated, planned effort and they knew exactly what they were doing.

    And then it just kinda, disappeared.

    I think about that a lot. The most astounding thing is we have proof in their own words that almost every one of these bullshit attempts at gerrymandering or voter ID aren't actually about representation or security, and are purely about getting Republicans elected as a minority party, leveraging race to do so. And like, nothing happened as a result.
    It's because the demcocrats know it already and the GOP attempt to maintain "plausible deniability" by denying they ever heard anything about it.

    Take this forum as a microcosm. We've had any number of "GOP tries something scumbaggy by trying to institute voter ID laws" threads and the exact. same. people. will come in and post some concern-troll post about "how is wanting safer elections racist/disenfranchising?" and then be barraged by 10 different posts detailing exactly how the GOP's plans are racist and how they disenfranchise people. And then those people will just... disappear. Pretend they never read the posts. I'd wager that's a decent understanding of what's going on in the greater world of conservative thinking. Assert something as true... meet resistance backed by facts, statistics and historical data... then pretend you never heard that and just go on thinking and saying whatever you want.

    For an immediate example, I don't think we're going to see D3thray post in this thread again or, if they do, it wont have anything to do with the people that responded to him, or he'll selectively choose which one to respond to where they can think they can craft a response that dodges the absolute takedown of their point and deflect to something else.


    The GOP voter base believes they're in the morally superior position, and they've positioned themselves to believe that it's right and just for them to get what they want, regardless of whether the majority wanted it or not. So ultimately they don't care if this stops people from voting, it's stopping democrats who don't want the right things, so therefore it's okay if a law unfairly targets them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I still often think back to the daughter of the guy behind the GOP gerrymandering efforts, and how she just dumped all of her fathers material and information about how it was a coordinated, planned effort and they knew exactly what they were doing.

    And then it just kinda, disappeared.

    I think about that a lot. The most astounding thing is we have proof in their own words that almost every one of these bullshit attempts at gerrymandering or voter ID aren't actually about representation or security, and are purely about getting Republicans elected as a minority party, leveraging race to do so. And like, nothing happened as a result.
    As do I. We literally have all the pieces, and factual admissions, showing the why and the how behind their false claims of voter fraud, and nothing gets done about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    The amount of disinformation in this thread makes my head hurt. Please, I’m begging you, actually read up on these things, don’t just believe what the talking heads say.

    Here’s some basic cliffs notes versions

    https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/...-law-sb-202-do

    https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/electio..._requirements2

    Having integrity in elections is not a bad thing, but the main thrust is that the public has to have faith in the integrity of elections. The Georgia law is an attempt to make theirs beyond reproach. Not unreasonable given the 2020 election cycle. Access is also expanded with more early voting and allowing more people to request absentee ballots.

    We can debate specifics all day long, we should in fact. But this law being labeled Jim Crow is honestly pretty offensive. Like Trump too many criticisms I’ve seen of this law have a tenuous relationship with the truth at best. I’m looking at you Biden.
    Well Kemp just admitted recently that this bill has nothing to do with fraud, so I guess the whole integrity thing just went out the window.

    Georgia governor admits that controversial election law has nothing to do with voter fraud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    HR1 would overwrite most of their voter suppression effort because of things like universal mail in voting even if they screwed polling locations it would not matter as much. If anything it would end up hurting them because more and more democrats would vote by mail versus their people who want to vote in person.
    I hear what you're saying and where you are going, but I'm not sure about the law on this. Typically state laws on issues regulated by the feds are ok if they are stricter or more beneficial (drinking age, minimum wage). So my thought is whether or not HR1 would be almost useless in the face of these GOP Disenfranchisement Laws coming already out of Georgia but soon to be in Texas and Arizona and every other state owned by the GOP state legislature.

    I hope I'm wrong.

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    Fox tried to pull the BuT CoLORadO and GeoRGiA haVE ThE Same ruLES THat'S HypocRisY! shit with the MLB moving the All-Star game.

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1379487125083717636

    It wasn't remotely effective. At all. I may be developing a bit of a "thing" for Psaki. Is it weird that I want her to do a point by point analysis of why I'm wrong about something?

    I kid. Mostly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    The amount of disinformation in this thread makes my head hurt. Please, I’m begging you, actually read up on these things, don’t just believe what the talking heads say.

    Here’s some basic cliffs notes versions

    https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/...-law-sb-202-do

    https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/electio..._requirements2

    Having integrity in elections is not a bad thing, but the main thrust is that the public has to have faith in the integrity of elections. The Georgia law is an attempt to make theirs beyond reproach. Not unreasonable given the 2020 election cycle. Access is also expanded with more early voting and allowing more people to request absentee ballots.

    We can debate specifics all day long, we should in fact. But this law being labeled Jim Crow is honestly pretty offensive. Like Trump too many criticisms I’ve seen of this law have a tenuous relationship with the truth at best. I’m looking at you Biden.
    It's entirely accurate. I guess you missed Kemp admitting these laws having nothing to do with fraud or voter integrity. I wish you would take your own advice and get some information outside of the QAnon/FauxNews echo chamber. Even Trump's own election fraud committee found no evidence of fraud.

    I guess the real question is: Why are you lying?

    These laws are all about disenfranchisement to minority voters, keeping the GOP minority in power, and preventing people from voting overall. The fact that you don't know this speaks volumes to your integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It's entirely accurate. I guess you missed Kemp admitting these laws having nothing to do with fraud or voter integrity. I wish you would take your own advice and get some information outside of the QAnon/FauxNews echo chamber. Even Trump's own election fraud committee found no evidence of fraud.

    I guess the real question is: Why are you lying?

    These laws are all about disenfranchisement to minority voters, keeping the GOP minority in power, and preventing people from voting overall. The fact that you don't know this speaks volumes to your integrity.
    Comparing this to how we vote in europe this is still way to lax.

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