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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Yes, college students from possibly one of the most politically active generation in a while are uninformed, unlike the crusty boomers being spoonfed lies and fake-worldview-reinfocing twisting of information by Fox & co.

    God I can't wait for the current crop of 65+yo GOP to do us a favor a keel over.
    Well here is another GOP politician saying the secrets out loud.

    Arizona GOP state rep John Kavanaugh: “not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they are totally uninformed on the issues. Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes as well.”

    We of course read this in these forums from the MAGA Heads and such. Many things we can say, but I will just keep it at "who do we determine is well informed"? A Fox News viewer?
    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States…. [It is] nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

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  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    but we have to look at the quality of votes as well
    How would Republicans go about measuring this "quality"? Do you think they might propose, I don't know, some kind of poll test to ensure they're getting high quality votes?

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How would Republicans go about measuring this "quality"? Do you think they might propose, I don't know, some kind of poll test to ensure they're getting high quality votes?
    Not only that, but objectively, that would put those college educated voters at a much higher quality than their base who have proven they don’t even know how their own taxes work and complain about welfare queens while being one themselves either directly or supporting a local government that can’t function without needing other states money.
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  4. #264
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    "Uninformed"
    This is America. Even the stupid get to vote. See also: W got re-elected.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Not only that, but objectively, that would put those college educated voters at a much higher quality than their base who have proven they don’t even know how their own taxes work and complain about welfare queens while being one themselves either directly or supporting a local government that can’t function without needing other states money.
    The test would be one line are you white? no = automatic disqualification.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Not only that, but objectively, that would put those college educated voters at a much higher quality than their base who have proven they don’t even know how their own taxes work and complain about welfare queens while being one themselves either directly or supporting a local government that can’t function without needing other states money.
    What continues to impress me is the absolute failure of imagination and seeming complete inability for any of these Republicans to take any of their thoughts to their logical conclusions.

    They get partway there, think it sounds good, and just start spouting off about "quality of votes" as if that doesn't carry huge historical overtones and undertones to the days of poll tests.

    Like, this is literally just advocating for the return of Literacy Tests in all but name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What continues to impress me is the absolute failure of imagination and seeming complete inability for any of these Republicans to take any of their thoughts to their logical conclusions.

    They get partway there, think it sounds good, and just start spouting off about "quality of votes" as if that doesn't carry huge historical overtones and undertones to the days of poll tests.

    Like, this is literally just advocating for the return of Literacy Tests in all but name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test
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  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Trump has proven there is no consequence to being a racist piece of shit so they have no fear now.
    I mean...I'd kinda genuinely love to see what kind of effect something like this would have if adminstered "fairly".

    Like, ask basic questions like the three branches of government, who the individuals current federal Rep/Senators are etc.

    I imagine the number of people actually able to pass the test and be eligible to vote would be...depressingly small, even for basic "Civics 101" questions. Hell, we'd probably get a lot more naturalized citizens passing the test per-capita.

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How would Republicans go about measuring this "quality"? Do you think they might propose, I don't know, some kind of poll test to ensure they're getting high quality votes?
    Of course this is letting the secret out of they want to pick their voters. By this we know majority white people who are afraid of the country changing and them losing power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    This is America. Even the stupid get to vote. See also: W got re-elected.
    Yeah. This reeks of elitism and the belief that their side is the one with correct solutions and ideas. Too bad their example is Fox News viewers. Shoot, even if you listen to all their politicians now after 20 years of Fox, pretty much all they say now is pure stupid. No bias, they are stupid.
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  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean...I'd kinda genuinely love to see what kind of effect something like this would have if adminstered "fairly".

    Like, ask basic questions like the three branches of government, who the individuals current federal Rep/Senators are etc.

    I imagine the number of people actually able to pass the test and be eligible to vote would be...depressingly small, even for basic "Civics 101" questions. Hell, we'd probably get a lot more naturalized citizens passing the test per-capita.
    All this makes you wonder what horrors await us when republicans gain control back of the government. They will get rid of the filibuster and be even more mental then.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    All this makes you wonder what horrors await us when republicans gain control back of the government. They will get rid of the filibuster and be even more mental then.
    Republicans are great at hyperbole, projection and fear tactics. Yet, no doubt that Republicans Do Not want fair elections anymore.
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  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    All this makes you wonder what horrors await us when republicans gain control back of the government. They will get rid of the filibuster and be even more mental then.
    They are doing this because they know that they won’t get control again otherwise as their base is dying out and the rest increasingly against their stuff.

    If they get control and start their stuff, get prepared for violence not seen in over a century on our soil in the coming years if Americans actually want democracy and get ready to see us collapse economically due to their stuff if we don’t.
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  13. #273
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/07/p...ntv/index.html

    "This is really the fallout from the 10 weeks of misinformation that flew in from former President Donald Trump," Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan said on CNN's "New Day." "I went back over the weekend to really look at where this really started to gain momentum in the legislature, and it was when Rudy Giuliani showed up in a couple of committee rooms and spent hours spreading misinformation and sowing doubt across, you know, hours of testimony."
    So...this law is literally based off the insane fictional conspiracies of a demented old man. At least it makes more sense now.

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/07/p...ntv/index.html

    So...this law is literally based off the insane fictional conspiracies of a demented old man. At least it makes more sense now.
    I'd love for a deeper investigation/questioning of this. Because they neglected to overturn Biden's win in the state, which that's one heck of a thing to go to Georgia and tell the state legislators that they had a fraudulent election (basically saying that they are incompetent), and secondly why not overturn it, if they seem so adamant that voting is so easily affected by outside forces or to change with voter fraud? Were they aware of just how much of a shit show that'd turn up against them, be it right or wrong, or were they genuinely not in the belief that their election was in anyway swayed by outside forces? If the latter, then why this law?

    It is all just bad upon bad, and there isn't any good answer out of this shit. Granted that seems to not stop them from doing these kinds of things...
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  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/07/p...ntv/index.html



    So...this law is literally based off the insane fictional conspiracies of a demented old man. At least it makes more sense now.
    Interesting that the Lieutenant Governor of Georgia is saying these laws are because of fraud allegations, but Kemp says that it's not about fraud.

    Georgia governor admits that controversial election law has nothing to do with voter fraud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Well here is another GOP politician saying the secrets out loud.

    Arizona GOP state rep John Kavanaugh: “not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they are totally uninformed on the issues. Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes as well.”

    We of course read this in these forums from the MAGA Heads and such. Many things we can say, but I will just keep it at "who do we determine is well informed"? A Fox News viewer?
    Is everyone with that surname a shithead?

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  17. #277
    Exact same arguments and reasoning used by opponents of the civil rights act and every other legislation/movement prior that gave groups of people a voice that weren't white men.

    Was really common over a hundred years ago to hear, "Why should women vote? They don't understand or even care about politics" and "They'll vote because of <insert stupid reason here>"

    It's 100% clear that republicans would love to prevent millions of people from voting because they think they'll vote for a democrat. Has nothing to do with anything else. That's the reason.
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  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    The amount of disinformation in this thread makes my head hurt. Please, I’m begging you, actually read up on these things, don’t just believe what the talking heads say.

    Here’s some basic cliffs notes versions

    https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/...-law-sb-202-do

    https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/electio..._requirements2

    Having integrity in elections is not a bad thing, but the main thrust is that the public has to have faith in the integrity of elections. The Georgia law is an attempt to make theirs beyond reproach. Not unreasonable given the 2020 election cycle. Access is also expanded with more early voting and allowing more people to request absentee ballots.

    We can debate specifics all day long, we should in fact. But this law being labeled Jim Crow is honestly pretty offensive. Like Trump too many criticisms I’ve seen of this law have a tenuous relationship with the truth at best. I’m looking at you Biden.
    These new laws lack so much integrity that the Governor and Lieutenant Governor can't even agree on why they were created in the first place. In fact the Lieutenant Governor says the new laws were created because of the lies Giuliani was spreading.

    Georgia governor admits that controversial election law has nothing to do with voter fraud

    Georgia's GOP lieutenant governor says Giuliani's false fraud claims helped lead to restrictive voting law

  19. #279
    Evidently Joe Machin is talking about refusing to budge on the filibuster to remove or even amend it even over HR1.

    Talking about some return to bipartisanship or some crap like he has been in a coma the last 20 years or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Evidently Joe Machin is talking about refusing to budge on the filibuster to remove or even amend it even over HR1.

    Talking about some return to bipartisanship or some crap like he has been in a coma the last 20 years or something
    I'm certain he's more concerned about his own seat than anything else. Dude's a Dem in a big red state and probably doesn't want angry republicans voting him out of office over allowing the 'Radical Democratic Agenda!!' to move forward unimpeded. So he'll either pull a Collins by putting up a show of 'fighting the Liberals' and eventually reach a 'compromise', or he'll hold this shit up until 2022 and go back to not having any political responsibilities as a member of the minority party (assuming Reds take the senate because of the Democrats being unable too do anything and/or their own draconian voting laws stamping out Blue votes in purple-leaning states).

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