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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I'm certain he's more concerned about his own seat than anything else. Dude's a Dem in a big red state and probably doesn't want angry republicans voting him out of office over allowing the 'Radical Democratic Agenda!!' to move forward unimpeded. So he'll either pull a Collins by putting up a show of 'fighting the Liberals' and eventually reach a 'compromise', or he'll hold this shit up until 2022 and go back to not having any political responsibilities as a member of the minority party (assuming Reds take the senate because of the Democrats being unable too do anything and/or their own draconian voting laws stamping out Blue votes in purple-leaning states).
    REALLY hope its the former. HR1 NEEDS to pass before the districts are redrawn next year or it is allow them to continue that fuckery for at least the next decade while they have all that time to try and undo it. Otherwise it would need to pass with a stipulation of ANOTHER redistricting in an off year which would make it even harder to get through.
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    Manchin has done this song and dance before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    REALLY hope its the former. HR1 NEEDS to pass before the districts are redrawn next year or it is allow them to continue that fuckery for at least the next decade while they have all that time to try and undo it. Otherwise it would need to pass with a stipulation of ANOTHER redistricting in an off year which would make it even harder to get through.
    It's not "at least the next decade"...if this doesn't get done before next year then the US will make an unstoppable transition to dictatorship in 2025, and it won't be going back again without another civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Evidently Joe Machin is talking about refusing to budge on the filibuster to remove or even amend it even over HR1.

    Talking about some return to bipartisanship or some crap like he has been in a coma the last 20 years or something
    Since we're on the subject of Joe Manchin: Manchin says 'January 6 changed me' as he calls for bipartisan cooperation

    Sure Manchin, let's keep compromising with the political party that spread lies about the election that ended up riling up their supporters to the point they started a violent riot at the US Capital and then are now using those same election lies as justification for passing these new restrictive voting rules.

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    Related: the Texas GOP are asking for white volunteers to go watch the polls at a predominantly African-American church, to deal with the massive voter fraud.

    No, really.

    This is where the fraud is occurring

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Ya know, this is why one has to be just a tad happy about the fact that authoritarian douchenozzles at least aren't too bright, or at least lack imagination. Like this whole discussion, could be obfuscated so much more easily, if they would do even a modicum of targeting in their own voting block. Just sprinkle the occasional roadblock, so that whenever someone tried to call you out on it, you could just point towards that as an example that it is not true, and that there is no targeting going on, it is clean across the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howel View Post
    Ya know, this is why one has to be just a tad happy about the fact that authoritarian douchenozzles at least aren't too bright, or at least lack imagination. Like this whole discussion, could be obfuscated so much more easily, if they would do even a modicum of targeting in their own voting block. Just sprinkle the occasional roadblock, so that whenever someone tried to call you out on it, you could just point towards that as an example that it is not true, and that there is no targeting going on, it is clean across the board.
    They don't really have the capacity for subtlty, or the time for it when the political winds are so set against them.

    That, and they learned that any minor inconvenience towards their own base riles them up something fierce. So making things harder for their people to vote would just incite temper tantrums that would ultimately work against their goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    They don't really have the capacity for subtlty, or the time for it when the political winds are so set against them.

    That, and they learned that any minor inconvenience towards their own base riles them up something fierce. So making things harder for their people to vote would just incite temper tantrums that would ultimately work against their goal
    That could be a possibility as well. That or they are aware of just how heinous their acts are, and even the slightest exposure to it, could turn their own base around and actually support removing it, because they've now themselves been exposed to it.

    Or if it was implemented across the board, it would have equal effect, which means they'd be back at zero of losing on attracting votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    Since we're on the subject of Joe Manchin: Manchin says 'January 6 changed me' as he calls for bipartisan cooperation

    Sure Manchin, let's keep compromising with the political party that spread lies about the election that ended up riling up their supporters to the point they started a violent riot at the US Capital and then are now using those same election lies as justification for passing these new restrictive voting rules.
    God damn is he a piece of shit. "Jan 6th really opened my eyes that Democrats need to bend over backwards so far that our heads poke out through our legs to appease the party that fueled a insurrectionist attack on our countries capitol. It's not like the GOP didn't push their crazies into a frenzy for months how we are going to steal the election. So unless we give in to the terrorist demands the terrorists might do bad things. Isn't that what they do in all the action movies?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howel View Post
    That could be a possibility as well. That or they are aware of just how heinous their acts are, and even the slightest exposure to it, could turn their own base around and actually support removing it, because they've now themselves been exposed to it.

    Or if it was implemented across the board, it would have equal effect, which means they'd be back at zero of losing on attracting votes.
    Yeah pretty much. They really can't work the strategically targeted suppression angle without just fucking themselves so they just do overt shit and hope its legal enough to get away with for long enough to be difficult to remove.

    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    God damn is he a piece of shit. "Jan 6th really opened my eyes that Democrats need to bend over backwards so far that our heads poke out through our legs to appease the party that fueled a insurrectionist attack on our countries capitol. It's not like the GOP didn't push their crazies into a frenzy for months how we are going to steal the election. So unless we give in to the terrorist demands the terrorists might do bad things. Isn't that what they do in all the action movies?"
    Man that sounds a lot like Koko's old 'C'mon guys, if we don't capitulate to violent racists indoctrinated by decades of propaganda then they'll just pick up all their guns and kill everyone!' posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    God damn is he a piece of shit. "Jan 6th really opened my eyes that Democrats need to bend over backwards so far that our heads poke out through our legs to appease the party that fueled a insurrectionist attack on our countries capitol. It's not like the GOP didn't push their crazies into a frenzy for months how we are going to steal the election. So unless we give in to the terrorist demands the terrorists might do bad things. Isn't that what they do in all the action movies?"
    And the sad thing is is that it's probably just not Manchin. I bet if given the chance Kyrsten Sinema would do another thumbs down to changing the filibuster or trying to pass the new voting rights act, just like she did when the Democrats tried to have the $15 minimum wage as part of the recent stimulus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    And the sad thing is is that it's probably just not Manchin. I bet if given the chance Kyrsten Sinema would do another thumbs down to changing the filibuster or trying to pass the new voting rights act, just like she did when the Democrats tried to have the $15 minimum wage as part of the recent stimulus.
    The irony will be when Sinema loses her seat because she didn't pass HR1 just like all those dumbass blue dog democrats when Obama was in office.

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