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  1. #141
    God dammit! the show is over already? TV shows are getting shorter and shorter remember when it used to be 20ish episodes to cover for 6 months? after that most shows were cut to 13 episodes and now 6-8, soon we'll have 3 episode seasons.
    Last edited by Khain; 2021-05-01 at 03:08 AM.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    God dammit! the show is over already? TV shows are getting shorter and shorter remember when it used to be 20ish episodes to cover for 6 months? after that most shows were cut to 13 episodes and now 6-8, soon we'll have 3 episode seasons.
    Animation isn’t cheap, it’s not on network TV, and it’s basically hour long episodes(if you account for commercial breaks that are absent). I’d love for 10-12 episodes in a season though.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    God dammit! the show is over already? TV shows are getting shorter and shorter remember when it used to be 20ish episodes to cover for 6 months? after that most shows were cut to 13 episodes and now 6-8, soon we'll have 3 episode seasons.
    Network shows had all those filler episodes so they could reach whatever the magic number of episodes was for long term syndication runs on other channels.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Animation isn’t cheap, it’s not on network TV, and it’s basically hour long episodes(if you account for commercial breaks that are absent). I’d love for 10-12 episodes in a season though.
    Invincible is not top notch animation but at least it's not 20 min episodes.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    Invincible is not top notch animation but at least it's not 20 min episodes.
    You get that it’s supposed to look like DC animation right?

  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    God dammit! the show is over already? TV shows are getting shorter and shorter remember when it used to be 20ish episodes to cover for 6 months? after that most shows were cut to 13 episodes and now 6-8, soon we'll have 3 episode seasons.
    That's the thing with modern streaming.

    The shows end up as long as they need to be to tell the story, without 20 filler episodes that don't advance any plot or character development. So they can focus on quality, and not filling broadcasters' timeslot commitments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    God dammit! the show is over already? TV shows are getting shorter and shorter remember when it used to be 20ish episodes to cover for 6 months? after that most shows were cut to 13 episodes and now 6-8, soon we'll have 3 episode seasons.
    Season 1 of Castlevania was 3 episodes.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Really?

    His mission as a solo agent of Viltrum is to prep the Earth for subjugation, because it was too costly and slow to move the entire army in for every new planet to be acquired.

    That means he takes a slower approach, feeling things out, laying groundwork for the people to accept Viltrum's rule, by both eliminating any extant guardians who pose any even potential threats to Viltrumites (hence killing the Guardians), AND maintaining a cover and guiding society to a position where it relies on powered saviours to protect them (why he didn't kill the Guardians the moment they showed up with powers).

    His actions and motivation are entirely summed up there.

    Timing isn't explicit, but we can draw conclusions. Why'd he target the Guardians now, and not earlier? Why has he been pushing Mark so damned hard, trying to get him up to speed super quickly? I think it's because Nolan knows exactly when the Viltrumites are showing up to take global control, and it's soon. No more than a few months, and probably closer to weeks if not days. If Mark wasn't able to go toe-to-toe with a millenias-old Viltrumite warrior, he'd be killed off as chaff like anyone else who posed a threat. If he can prove himself "worthy", maybe they'll overlook his halfbreed status. Killing the Guardians is what kicked everything off, and Nolan chose that timing.

    It's probably where Nolan went; to meet with whatever advance force was coming. Maybe to plead for his son's life. Maybe to distance himself so his emotions stop getting the better of him. Gotta wait for S2 to find out, I guess, since I'm probably not reading the comic between now and then.
    Yeah, I like the general idea of him pretending to be a hero while secretly preparing the planet for takeover.

    But the earlier episodes hinted at some sort of cause and effect between Mark gaining his powers and him murdering the Guardians and an inner struggle between his life on earth and his duty to his home planet. I got the feeling that he was killing his friends, people he actually cared about, because Mark got his powers.

    And then the last episode made it seem like he is just a full Vultron supremacist who never cared about anything on earth, the timing on the murders were a random coincidence or something not yet explained and his inner conflict was mostly about wether he cares about Mark or not.

    It didn't really fit with the more nuanced Nolan from the first episodes and I couldnt quite tell wether he was lying to himself because he felt ashamed of his terrible actions or if he was lying to Mark because he wants him to fit in with the Vultromites when they arrive or if he was supposed to be just pretending in the earlier episodes and all those earlier szenes were just supposed to confuse the audience.

    So the major theme and mystery of this Season seemed a bit unresolved to me and then the season 2 "trailer" implies that we won't really hear from Nolan again until later in the show. And I think it would have been stronger, if they had picked one answer and stuck with it through the entire season.


    (but again, I really liked the characters, the team-team plotline, everything about Mark in general and the style of the show, so I'm definetely tuning in again next year )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    I watched the first episode recently and come down on the side of really bad. It's a poor copy of the edginess of Garth Ennis, shocking to be shocking IMO. And the animation quality is about 30 years out-of-date, at least. I just didn't enjoy it at all. But then, I'm not looking for gratuitous gore and shock in my superhero stories, I'll take Spider-Man and Superman and the like any day over this.
    You DO know that Ennis The Boys is from 2006 and Invincible is from 2003 right mate? If 1 copyed 1 here it would be Ennis. And the quality being 30 years out of date is so fucking ridiculous that i wonder what shit you have watched if ever.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    You DO know that Ennis The Boys is from 2006 and Invincible is from 2003 right mate? If 1 copyed 1 here it would be Ennis. And the quality being 30 years out of date is so fucking ridiculous that i wonder what shit you have watched if ever.
    You clearly didn't read any of the thread beyond the post you quoted so I suppose I should both forgive and ignore your ignorance. Catch up and get back to us
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  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That's the thing with modern streaming.

    The shows end up as long as they need to be to tell the story, without 20 filler episodes that don't advance any plot or character development. So they can focus on quality, and not filling broadcasters' timeslot commitments.
    8 double length episodes is 16 episodes worth anyway. It’s a first season on a streaming service, not a Saturday morning toy commercial.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by owbu View Post
    But the earlier episodes hinted at some sort of cause and effect between Mark gaining his powers and him murdering the Guardians and an inner struggle between his life on earth and his duty to his home planet. I got the feeling that he was killing his friends, people he actually cared about, because Mark got his powers.
    He killed the guardians because if they teamed up with Mark they could potentially pose threat to his power. You see how fucked up Nolan gets after killing the guardians in the first episode. I appreciate the fact that Omniman is very powerful but not invulnerable like Superman.
    Last edited by Khain; 2021-05-01 at 10:19 PM.

  13. #153
    Fantastic episode! The train bit was wonderful!
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  14. #154
    With how graphic the show is, I’m really curious how they will do a certain thing that happens to Mark later on. If you’ve read the comic, you’ll know what I’m referring to.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    He killed the guardians because if they teamed up with Mark they could potentially pose threat to his power. You see how fucked up Nolan gets after killing the guardians in the first episode. I appreciate the fact that Omniman is very powerful but not invulnerable like Superman.
    Superman isn’t invulnerable either, it just takes a lot more to hurt him typically.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by owbu View Post
    Yeah, I like the general idea of him pretending to be a hero while secretly preparing the planet for takeover.

    But the earlier episodes hinted at some sort of cause and effect between Mark gaining his powers and him murdering the Guardians and an inner struggle between his life on earth and his duty to his home planet. I got the feeling that he was killing his friends, people he actually cared about, because Mark got his powers.
    Mark getting his powers was the condition he created for himself to start Earth's preparation for Viltrumite rule. Up until that point the Guardians were sort of allies... because Nolan had no intention of letting Earth fall to some other empire, be destroyed, or whatever. But he always knew that eventually he'd have to eliminate them...because they would fight him as hard as they fought any other threat to Earth.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Mark getting his powers was the condition he created for himself to start Earth's preparation for Viltrumite rule. Up until that point the Guardians were sort of allies... because Nolan had no intention of letting Earth fall to some other empire, be destroyed, or whatever. But he always knew that eventually he'd have to eliminate them...because they would fight him as hard as they fought any other threat to Earth.
    Was this explained in the show yet or is this book spoilers?

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Was this explained in the show yet or is this book spoilers?
    Well, Nolan said in the show he was waiting for Mark to get his powers before acting. The Guardians became a threat as soon that happened.


    Some of the rest of that is me just extrapolating from all the things he said. If Mark's mother wasn't anything more than a pet...than, by the same logic, the Guardians wouldn't really be "friends". If the 20 years he spent on Earth were like a blink of an eye to his lifespan...than he could afford to be patient. The Viltrumites probably weren't expecting instant turnover.
    Last edited by Egomaniac; 2021-05-01 at 11:48 PM.

  19. #159
    Mark getting his powers was absolutely the reason Nolan decided to act but the exact reason for that won't be explained until later.

  20. #160
    I just binged watched the show after having a bunch of YouTube clips pop up for the show.

    I enjoyed most of it, I love the mystery running in the background... I just don't really like Nolan's motivations. I get the "reasoning" people are giving in here, but it's all so ambiguous to interpret it hurts the character from being really fleshed out.

    The whole Viltrium thing doesn't make too much sense, the people Omni is killing are the people they would want to "add to the army". Also why wouldn't Viltrium go to planets and offer to them to join the empire... Like pretty much every empire in the history of the world has ever done. The guy that routinely comes past the planet "by accident" that Omni sent his son to go after... Omni knows who he is, and knows he isn't exactly there for a fight to the death, ...

    Yeah, it's a good show, but for a short run seasonal show, I thought it would have been better thought out.

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