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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltii View Post
    Take a look at Bellulars latest video where he breaks down the timelines. We will not be seeing fresh content for a very long time and the game is already incredibly stale and boring...
    Cool i got people on the internet telling me how to think fyi ill pass on that and think for myself instead i stick its alot of fun and going on a nice direction for once.

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    7 or more months (June or later) after Shadowlands initial launch.
    ok lets for a second pretend this is not an asspull but actual info (its not unlikely, so why not)
    usualy the first raid added was 5-6 months after release (since BC, and i refuse to count BRF, it was already done just stagered the release for some reason), so having it 7months after release is hardly so late, given the circumstances (you do realise there is a pandemic for year or so right?)

    i dont know what you do, but i have to assume from your stance that you dont come into contact with any project scheduling at your work, bcs given circumstances being 1-2 months later than you would usualy be is GODDAMN AMAZING, we have projects that had their deadlines already rescheduled by YEARS (and yes, we can actualy do most of our work from home) so even if it is really 7-8 months after release (which was delayed itself) its not even that late...
    and its hardly just blizzard, pretty much whole gaming industry (among all other) took a bit of shakeup in timetable...

  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltii View Post
    Take a look at Bellulars latest video where he breaks down the timelines. We will not be seeing fresh content for a very long time and the game is already incredibly stale and boring...
    Everyone listen to Gladiator Saltii, Keystone Master, Cutting Edge player's comments guys! They are original and 100% true to every single one of us..

    Oh wait, you aren't a gladiator, you haven't "completed" PVE content.. "Waaaah World Quests are boring" - Yeah go do something challenging in game then trashboi

  4. #344
    lol its fine
    if anything tiers felt too short in legion for most people sure if you were hyper good and blasted through all the content in 2 weeks, but i feel like legion could of spaced out content more and be fine
    i th ink 6 months for castle is fine. if you did all you wanted to achieve take a break and come back when 9.1 is ready,
    9.1 will have so much more content maw revamp, new zone torghast revamp new raid new campaign, new mega dungeon, in 8.1 all you got was a short campaign and a new raid which just used the drazalor assets, and no new dungeon.

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    ok lets for a second pretend this is not an asspull but actual info (its not unlikely, so why not)
    usualy the first raid added was 5-6 months after release (since BC, and i refuse to count BRF, it was already done just stagered the release for some reason), so having it 7months after release is hardly so late, given the circumstances (you do realise there is a pandemic for year or so right?)

    i dont know what you do, but i have to assume from your stance that you dont come into contact with any project scheduling at your work, bcs given circumstances being 1-2 months later than you would usualy be is GODDAMN AMAZING, we have projects that had their deadlines already rescheduled by YEARS (and yes, we can actualy do most of our work from home) so even if it is really 7-8 months after release (which was delayed itself) its not even that late...
    and its hardly just blizzard, pretty much whole gaming industry (among all other) took a bit of shakeup in timetable...
    So we’re counting BRF now but Nighthold not? Because BRF and Nighthold basically were the exact same release situation.

    And how is this an asspull? It cannot be released sooner. Even if we assume PTS starts next week the PTS would have to run only 6 (!) weeks for a launch in late May. And this is - based on past content patch PTS cycles - impossible (PTS usually 8-10 weeks). So tell me, how exactly is June not the earliest possible date for 9.1?

    Blizzard is doing exceptionally bad during the pandemic. Other studios are struggling, Blizzard‘s biggest competitors... not so much though. So yes, if Blizzard considered 5 months for 8.1 too much and deemed it late, 7 or more months for 9.1 is incredibly late. Even if you think it’s fine, it’s really not due to how underwhelming Shadowlands is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I especially like the logic of: patch 9.1 wasn't delayed because there was no release date announced. Never mind that usually the first patch would be out by now and it is not even on the PTR yet.
    9.0 is WAY bigger than any previous launch patches. But do conveniently forget that while complaining about how long .1 is coming compared to others. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    can you imagine reactions of people who called 8.3 "empty patch" if they released patch like in wotlk?
    3.1 - raid, 3.2 - tiny dungeon and tiny raid (the same goddamn room ) and daily q hub, 3.3 - raid (with stagered release like LFR have now) and 3 tiny dungeons
    (although they were shorter)
    Did you play back then? People did complain about how Trial of the Champion and Trial of the Crusader were "low effort" considering not only they were one-room (two for raid) instances, but armor sets were literally recolors of each other: paladin, death knight and warrior tier sets were recolors of each other. Same with hunter and shaman. And rogue and druid. And priest, warlock and mage.

    As for ICC and the three dungeons, those dungeons weren't "tiny", they're actually on par with some of the dungeons already existing in the expansion, like Azjol-Nerub, Oculus, Trial of Champion and the Violet Hold. But also those dungeons were hard. There was actually challenge in doing those. They weren't ROFLSTOMP-AE-EVERYTHING-FEST like the other dungeons had become.
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  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    What leads you to this particular conclusion, other than wishful thinking
    Adding 2 with 2.
    Bfa had 4 seasons/tiers.
    Legion had 4 tiers. Seasons weren't a thing back then.

    Following the past examples, it's only logical for SL to also have 4 seasons/tiers. And one can dream, maybe, just maybe Blizzard gets their shit right for once and spaces out content patches to reasonable time spans (6-8 months per season/tier).

    To me, it only seems logical.

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    9.0 is WAY bigger than any previous launch patches. But do conveniently forget that while complaining about how long .1 is coming compared to others. lol
    What? Where exactly is 9.0 WAY bigger than previous launch patches? BfA had 6 zones at launch, Legion had 5, but Suramar was 10 times more content than The Maw (and Legion had 10 dungeons at launch, not 8). BfA had Warfronts and Island Expeditions (both awful content, but still), SL has Torghast (which is neither better nor worse than IE). So I don’t really see it.
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  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Did you play back then? People did complain about how Trial of the Champion and Trial of the Crusader were "low effort" considering not only they were one-room (two for raid) instances, but armor sets were literally recolors of each other: paladin, death knight and warrior tier sets were recolors of each other. Same with hunter and shaman. And rogue and druid. And priest, warlock and mage.

    As for ICC and the three dungeons, those dungeons weren't "tiny", they're actually on par with some of the dungeons already existing in the expansion, like Azjol-Nerub, Oculus, Trial of Champion and the Violet Hold. But also those dungeons were hard. There was actually challenge in doing those. They weren't ROFLSTOMP-AE-EVERYTHING-FEST like the other dungeons had become.
    i did play, and sure people complained (they always do) but nothing compared to now, and now we have objectively more content in patches and people still complain more... people just become horribly spoiled and entitled (or the new players are like that and old players left, who knows)
    eh... forge of souls had 2 bosses and halls had 3 but tbh felt like two, falric and marwyn felt like single event kinda... and they were hard for barely geared alts, but definitely not for raiders with gear from previous raid tier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    9.0 is WAY bigger than any previous launch patches. But do conveniently forget that while complaining about how long .1 is coming compared to others. lol
    Based on what metric? Can you link any sauce? A breakdown of expansion launch content? I might do it for you if you want. Do you? It would be a shame if it turned out you are full of shit.

    EDIT: Gonna make an attempt:

    Vanilla: 40 zones. 8 races. 9 classes. 12 professions (not counting stuff like lock picking and poisons). 20 dungeons. 2 raids. 0 battlegrounds 0. arenas.

    TBC: 11 zones, 2 races, 0 classes. 1 profession. 15 dungeons, 6 raids. 1 battleground. 2 arenas (the first two arenas).

    Wrath: 11 zones again. 0 races 1 class 1 profession 11 dungeons. 4 raids (plus two retooled ones). 1 battleground 1 arena

    Cata: 7 zones (if we count Vashj'ir as one zone and disqualify the goblin starters for being unreachable afterwards). 2 races. 0 classes. 1 profession. 7 dungeons (plus 2 retooled) 4 raids. 2 battlegrounds 0 arenas.

    MoP: 9 zones (if we include the veiled stairs but not the wandering isles. 1 race. 1 class. 0 professions. 6 dungeons (4 retooled) 3 raids. 2 battlegrounds. 1 arena.

    WoD: 7 zones (with Ashran included, but not Tanaan) 0 race. 0 class. 0 professions. 8 dungeons (if we include UBS that was technically available prior) 1 raid (Blackrock Foundry opened later) 0 battlgrounds 0 arenas.

    Legion: 5 zones (non instanced, at release) 0 race. 1 class. 0 profession. 9 dungeons. 0 raids (strictly speaking none of them opened at launch. We are firmly in the realm of staggered content). 0 battleground 2 arenas.

    BfA: 6 new zones. 2 races (the first four allied races became available way sooner with preorder). 0 professions. 10 dungeons. 1 raid. 0 battlegrounds. 2 arenas.

    Shadowlands: 5 zones. 0 races. 0 classes. 0 professions. 8 dungeons. 0 raid. 0 battleground. 1 arena.

    These are of course just the easy ones to quantify. TBC had sockets and flying. Wrath had achievements and glyphs. Cata gave a lot of new race class combinations and revamped a whole lot of zones. MoP had Pet Battles and Scenarios. WoD had updated models and Garrisons. Legion had artifact weapons, world quests. and order halls. BfA had Island Scenarios, Warfronts and the HoA. SL has covenants and Torghast.

    But this really doesn't looks way bigger than any launch patch.
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  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    What leads you to this particular conclusion, other than wishful thinking?
    Lol, now predicting 4 seasons (cause we don't really have tiers anymore) is wishful thinking? That's their default present in most expansions.

    I think people like you believe so hard current expac is worst catastrophe ever created you think Blizzard is in some panic mode to bring 10.0 ASAP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Based on what metric? Can you link any sauce? A breakdown of expansion launch content? I might do it for you if you want. Do you? It would be a shame if it turned out you are full of shit.
    From context I assume he's talking about 9.1.
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  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltii View Post
    Yeah I know it's cool to hate on Bellular and I respect and understand your need to be cool but actually watch the video. 9.1 will be out when your grandchildren have finished leveling their 4th toon to 60.
    Meanwhile people would be bitching about not having enough time in Nathria if it came sooner. Honestly they should stick with this release cadence, it's fan fucking tastic and would let them pace the patches better so no end of expansion drought.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Orwell7 View Post
    Two things:
    -that was at the END of an expansion, with Challenge Modes, Timeless Isle, a reaally good raid, etc-etc
    -I can't believe putting in 10 freakin bosses is so hard in 2021, hell, you can design whole VR games in a WEEK if you follow some FREE guides on the internet!!
    You have no idea how long it takes to do anything game related so I will just ignore that part of your rant and the OP specifically said longest drought ever which would include all content such as end of expac. If he said longest *.1 patch drought you could argue that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    What? Where exactly is 9.0 WAY bigger than previous launch patches? BfA had 6 zones at launch, Legion had 5, but Suramar was 10 times more content than The Maw (and Legion had 10 dungeons at launch, not 8). BfA had Warfronts and Island Expeditions (both awful content, but still), SL has Torghast (which is neither better nor worse than IE). So I don’t really see it.
    Are you really comparing the entirety of Suramar to the first patch of the Maw? The Maw that will be expanded exponentially based on what they've said? 7.1 was much quicker but it was fucking tiny. It had Kara revamp, expansion of Suramar and a fucking 3 boss raid. Wow. BFA started with the tiny War Campaign, Warfronts(LOL) 6 zones(only the Alliance ones were even good) and Islands. Warfronts were essentially 10 people carrying the other 10 afk idiots because they fell so flat. Islands....Why even bother. There is so much more to do in SL it's not even funny. PvP gearing isn't ass finally too.

    I guess the plethora of things to do being completely optional makes it a content drought. Who knew.

    Playing alts doesn't feel like an insurmountable task now either. It's fantastic.
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  16. #356
    Blizzard devs are just as sick and tired of the game as the players are. Someone should've told Ion that making Devs design formulaic raids and formulaic m+ for 6th year in a row since Legion would cause massive dev burnout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltii View Post
    I would argue that with the amount of money we collectively pay Blizzard we should be seeing fresh content every month.
    You want a new raid every month?

  18. #358
    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    Are you really comparing the entirety of Suramar to the first patch of the Maw? The Maw that will be expanded exponentially based on what they've said? 7.1 was much quicker but it was fucking tiny. It had Kara revamp, expansion of Suramar and a fucking 3 boss raid. Wow. BFA started with the tiny War Campaign, Warfronts(LOL) 6 zones(only the Alliance ones were even good) and Islands. Warfronts were essentially 10 people carrying the other 10 afk idiots because they fell so flat. Islands....Why even bother. There is so much more to do in SL it's not even funny. PvP gearing isn't ass finally too.

    I guess the plethora of things to do being completely optional makes it a content drought. Who knew.

    Playing alts doesn't feel like an insurmountable task now either. It's fantastic.
    Cosmetic recolor shit is not content worth paying a sub for . Raids , campaigns , arena ranking and thorgast are already done deals for each of the interested category of players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Blizzard devs are just as sick and tired of the game as the players are. Someone should've told Ion that making Devs design formulaic raids and formulaic m+ for 6th year in a row since Legion would cause massive dev burnout.
    Source on that? Or are you just making it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    Source on that? Or are you just making it up?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iznL9e12iYI

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