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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    In the time its taken blizzard to release one patch. FFXIV will have done two. Likewise it seems FFXIV will be releasing a new expansion before blizzard can push their second patch.

    I've seen it argued as well "Well Japan wasnt hit as hard by covid". Which, yeah, because they do, and still do, follow guidlines. If anything they're under stricter self imposed rules so the fact that even when the Pandemic started it only delayed them two months all the more impressive.

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    If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd realize that these delays have largely been minor at best and still has allowed them to release patches regardless. LIkewise Endwalker wasn't really delayed, its largely on a regular expansion release track for FFXIV.

    LIkewise you're pointing out blizzards poor leadership; that they aren't capable to tempering expectations for what's going on.
    Lol what?The expansion have been delayed for months and Ultimates for example where datamined in the 5.4 patch but was delayed.

    Blizzard have also released patches and an expansion during the pandemic, but somehow Square Enix have done a very good job and Blizzard have failed? Interesting how much insight you seem to have in to both these business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Not an argument given how long its been and looking at other studios.
    who...also pushed pretty much all releases by months? yeah, lets blame blizz for doing the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Even big companies have adapted to this.
    they did, by slowing their progres and pushing deadlines back, sometimes even for years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cren View Post
    Lol what?The expansion have been delayed for months and Ultimates for example where datamined in the 5.4 patch but was delayed.

    Blizzard have also released patches and an expansion during the pandemic, but somehow Square Enix have done a very good job and Blizzard have failed? Interesting how much insight you seem to have in to both these business.
    Because Square Enix hasnt been delayed to near the level of WoW. I never denied they delayed, I admitted to it outright. What I stated was their delay was no where near the level of blizzard's.

    This isnt even addressing that the coming WoW patch will be the first time since vanilla where we have a raid without its own tier set (just re-using existing) and likewise will likely itself have a lot of re-ussed assets given its taking place in Torghast. So as far as major content patches go, its looking somewhat light, and despite this is still going to be the single longest none-end of expansion wait for a patch, by a significant margin. Not the 2 months that FFXIV's patch got delayed for at the start of the pandemic. With the time its taking Blizz to release one, FFXIV is pushing two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    neither 7.1 or 8.1 had new zones and the invasions were only useful for alts and catch up gear and it was like 30 minutes of work
    We don’t know anything about the new zone yet. It can be small, it can be big, it could be a Timeless Isle or it could be an Isle of Thunder.

    I usually think the raid is the most important content for most players, that’s why I took their opening dates.

    We can spin this further though: 8.2 which Mechagone and Nazjatar (and another raid) released 10 months after BfA, 7.2 with Broken Shore released 7 months after Legion and 7.2.5 with Tomb of Sargeras 10 month after Legion.

    By the time we‘re getting 9.1 we already got 7.2 in Legion (which eventually brought us overall: a mega dungeon, a huge new raid, a new zone, a new dungeon, Mage tower, order hall campaign + class mounts).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    this is still going to be the single longest none-end of expansion wait for a patch, by a significant margin. Not the 2 months that FFXIV's patch got delayed
    first added tier after expansion release is usualy 4-5months, only x.1 patches that were sooner were when we did not get raid, so if they are going to release in june (not so unlikely if the PTR indeed is up in two weeks) that will be 7 months from release, which is roughly 2 or so months behind "normal" first raid added...

    yep, 2 months of delay by blizzard is SOOOOO MUCH MORE than 2 months of delay by square enix... and you are totaly not biased...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    It’s not only indie companies. Look at SquareEnix and FFXIV. Look at Zenimax and Elder Scrolls Online. They are completely back in track. It’s the thing that other huge AAA studios and Indie companies seem to do better than Blizzard. And exactly that’s the issue I have with the we‘re in a pandemic argument.
    FFXIV had a delay just in February, then we have company’s like capcom,CD project,Ubisoft,Pandora,SEGA,EA, ect ect.

    This isn’t some blizzard only thing or even close to it, pretty much the whole of the industry is behind in one way or another with even one of the examples you gave being behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Even big companies have adapted to this. So still not an excuse. If anything smaller ones have been slower to adapt due to having fewer resources.
    And tons if not the majority of big company’s haven’t gotten back to there pre COVID tracks as I listed some above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keelr View Post
    Imagine basing your opinion on Bellular's. That guy is making video of nothing but negativity, because drama brings more viewers.
    You can call it whatever you want: "drama", "clickbait" etc, doesn't make what he's saying any less wrong.

    The game is gonna die, i cant wait for it to go free to play so they can actually work for their money. This siphoning of cash for very little wasn't gonna be a good long term model anyways. I see you're defensive about it but objectively, they are ALL right about Blizzard. The company is dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsDarvaTV View Post
    i have 3 alts and the hardest/most time consuming part of my week is torghast, (other than raid/keys) but i enjoy those things and dont consider them chores. (fuck the maw tho)
    if u love Torghast I advice u to lvl rogue/shaman/warlock and don't lvl druid, druid Torghast anima powers are the worst
    Quote Originally Posted by sykoex View Post
    We're in the middle of a pandemic.
    u do know they fired a lot of employees who will cost less than 10% of Bobby Kodick the ceo bonus for this year, so if they are struggling due to pandemic i advice them to hire more employees instead of firing them, and not give their CEO a salary + bonus that is equal to half of entire company stuff combined
    i'd accept that excuse if they didn't give half of their profit to kodick pocket
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanstos View Post
    The game is gonna die, i cant wait for it to go free to play so they can actually work for their money. This siphoning of cash for very little wasn't gonna be a good long term model anyways. I see you're defensive about it but objectively, they are ALL right about Blizzard. The company is dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I mean no not at all, business as usual would be keeping the rate of work where it was before which would mean POE2 wouldn't have been delayed. this is like saying Classic TBC is on track so blizzard is back to business as usual as well.
    POE2 isn't going to be in beta anytime during 2021, something that had already been stated during Exilecon, i.e. long before the pandemic stroke. And Blizz seems to be back in business as usual, as far as Classic is concerned. Now, for retail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    8.1=/=9.1 in terms of amount of content
    The only difference is the mega dungeon, which seems to be coming out nearly in the same timeframe than Mechagon in BfA. The only difference being that this is a. 1 patch, unlike Mechagon's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    POE2 isn't going to be in beta anytime during 2021, something that had already been stated during Exilecon, i.e. long before the pandemic stroke. And Blizz seems to be back in business as usual, as far as Classic is concerned. Now, for retail...
    The beta was planned for 2020 at exilecon not 2021, it was then pushed back to 2021 and then just recently back again to 2022, they aren’t even close to back on track.

    If any thing they are further behind then blizzard.
    In a new forum post, the developer shot down the possibility of a 2020 beta, which was first mentioned when they announced Path Of Exile 2 in 2019. “This is definitely not happening this year, due to significant schedule delays due to the pandemic,” the post read. “We have been focusing on keeping our leagues coming out as close to on time as possible, and this does mean some delays for the sequel.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by keelr View Post
    Imagine basing your opinion on Bellular's. That guy is making video of nothing but negativity, because drama brings more viewers.
    Unlike... who exactly, tho?

    I also dont see much good to report to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    The beta was planned for 2020 at exilecon not 2021, it was then pushed back to 2021 and then just recently back again to 2022, they aren’t even close to back on track.



    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nme....3fjwsource=cl&
    That's correct, but the PoE 2 delays had been happening from long before the pandemic, probably due to internal issues. But PoE 1 had only a one month delay for Heist league, which was admittedly half baked though. Hopefully Blizzard won't do the same with 9.1 lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    That's correct, but the PoE 2 delays had been happening from long before the pandemic, probably due to internal issues. But PoE 1 had only a one month delay for Heist league, which was admittedly half baked though. Hopefully Blizzard won't do the same with 9.1 lol.
    Even if they had delays before which is dubious they them selfs have sighted COVID as the reason for the recent ones putting them in the exact same boat as blizzard with one lesser product on track while the larger one is behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Even if they had delays before which is dubious they them selfs have sighted COVID as the reason for the recent ones putting them in the exact same boat as blizzard with one lesser product on track while the larger one is behind.
    GGG has openly said that covid forced them to delay stuff. I wish Blizzard would have done the same, instead of this awful radio silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharein View Post
    They don't need to be at the office to make content I imagine.

    They screwed up, and that is the truth of it.
    Eh... Disagree. For instance, in corporate setting a change may require multiple approvals from different departments to sign off on. In an office setting, you could just literally go from 1 person to the next. In a WFH, you're probably e-mailing around and depending on when people are actually at their desks/computers may add in delays.

    Also collaborations are also more difficult to do from a WFH setting. For instance, instead of just being able to get a quick input from a co-worker sitting the next office/cubical over do you call them up? Schedule a zoom meeting? Shoot off an e-mail or wait until the next scheduled meeting to raise up the question for input? What if you just finished up a long meeting and just realized there was a question that you forgot to ask. One that may/may not open to a round of discussion? Do you call back everyone in the meeting? Shoot an e-mail? Hold it until the next meeting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sykoex View Post
    We're in the middle of a pandemic.
    Yeah. A relatively mild pandemic. Yeah it sucks that people died over it but its nothing in comparison to the black plague or spanish flu.

    Theyve already acclimated to the new environment. The pandemic shouldnt be too much of a problem. Its just an excuse. Maybe a year ago you could have used this argument but facts are, the ptr should have had 9.1 3-6 weeks ago and it release around within this week to an additional 3 weeks. But its coming to ptr 2 weeks from now with an additional 4-6 weeks or more before it comes to live.

    Ffxiv patch 5.3 was delayed for 2 months due to pandemic. Then the following patch was back on schedule. Shadowlands was delayed similarly so it should have been back on schedule. Blizzard even stated themselves that the pandemic didnt effect them too much and was able to adapt fairly quickly. The pandemic at this point is not an excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    GGG has openly said that covid forced them to delay stuff. I wish Blizzard would have done the same, instead of this awful radio silence.
    Ya that I can agree with, they should just come out and say it like they did with shadowlands launch it’s not the PR could hurt them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Sure, there have been delays: PoE2 and Heist league, which felt quite rushed. But one year later, everything's back to normal
    Is it though? Because I don't see PoE2 moving back up to an earlier release date. In fact, have any AAA games actually been moved up/earlier in release date since COVID?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanstos View Post
    You can call it whatever you want: "drama", "clickbait" etc, doesn't make what he's saying any less wrong.

    The game is gonna die


    Been hearing this for more than a decade now. If you honestly think they are going free to play any time soon your on some serious hardcore drugs. With the emergence of classic servers, nothing is changing for subs any time soon. They have at least the next 10 years worth of subs to milk out of people from nostalgia alone.


    Oh yeah, and people STILL come back and buy new expansions in record breaking numbers because its by far the best MMO on the market.

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