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  1. #661
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usernameforforums View Post
    Ffxiv patch 5.3 was delayed for 2 months due to pandemic. Then the following patch was back on schedule. Shadowlands was delayed similarly so it should have been back on schedule. Blizzard even stated themselves that the pandemic didnt effect them too much and was able to adapt fairly quickly. The pandemic at this point is not an excuse.
    Close but not 100% back to schedule.

    Original prediction (pre-COVID) was 112 days (~16 weeks) between major patches. Adjusted Projection date = Actual Release Date + 112 days

    Major Patch
    Projected Date
    Adjusted Projected Date
    Actual Release Date
    5.1
    Oct 22, 2019 n/a Oct 29, 2019
    5.2
    Feb 11, 2020 Feb 18, 2020 Feb 18, 2020
    5.3
    Jun 2, 2020 Jun 9, 2020 Aug 11, 2020
    5.4
    Sept 22, 2020 Dec 1, 2020 Dec 8, 2020
    5.5
    Sep 22, 2020 Mar 30, 2021 Apr 13, 2021

    Patch 5.2 was spot on but 5.3 definitely delayed (which Square did state) but 5.4 was off by 1 week and 5.5 is looking to be off by 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alroxas View Post
    Is it though? Because I don't see PoE2 moving back up to an earlier release date. In fact, have any AAA games actually been moved up/earlier in release date since COVID?

    In fact, PoE's current/most recent season got delayed even further because they were scared to launch at the same time as Cyberpunk (lol).


    PoE 2 has been delayed so bad we havn't even seen anything about it since they announced it at Exilecon in 2019! They originally said beta testing was supposed to begin "late 2020" but here we are, 4 months into 21' and we still don't know anything about PoE2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    You've lost me at Bellular.

    Seriously if your only argument is a video by some neckbeard who earns money by ranting about games you can save the energy of making this thread.

    Also wasn't the longest drought after SoO? And over a year long?
    Not in the middle of an expansion though, not before the first major patch.
    S.H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alroxas View Post
    Close but not 100% back to schedule.

    Original prediction (pre-COVID) was 112 days (~16 weeks) between major patches. Adjusted Projection date = Actual Release Date + 112 days

    Major Patch
    Projected Date
    Adjusted Projected Date
    Actual Release Date
    5.1
    Oct 22, 2019 n/a Oct 29, 2019
    5.2
    Feb 11, 2020 Feb 18, 2020 Feb 18, 2020
    5.3
    Jun 2, 2020 Jun 9, 2020 Aug 11, 2020
    5.4
    Sept 22, 2020 Dec 1, 2020 Dec 8, 2020
    5.5
    Sep 22, 2020 Mar 30, 2021 Apr 13, 2021

    Patch 5.2 was spot on but 5.3 definitely delayed (which Square did state) but 5.4 was off by 1 week and 5.5 is looking to be off by 2 weeks.
    Yeah. Basically back on schedule with margin of error.
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  5. #665
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    POE2 isn't going to be in beta anytime during 2021, something that had already been stated during Exilecon, i.e. long before the pandemic stroke. And Blizz seems to be back in business as usual, as far as Classic is concerned. Now, for retail...

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    The only difference is the mega dungeon, which seems to be coming out nearly in the same timeframe than Mechagon in BfA. The only difference being that this is a. 1 patch, unlike Mechagon's.
    The mega dungeon
    The new zone
    The 4 campaigns

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    The mega dungeon
    The new zone
    The 4 campaigns
    Don’t compare it to the delayed BfA schedule (even Blizzard acknowledged that they’ve been late with BfA patches) compare it to the Legion schedule. Then you see the huge difference. But I guess they didn’t try as hard in BfA and Shadowlands as they did in Legion. They thought they can get away with their success from Legion, but that failed directly after BfA launch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Don’t compare it to the delayed BfA schedule (even Blizzard acknowledged that they’ve been late with BfA patches) compare it to the Legion schedule. Then you see the huge difference. But I guess they didn’t try as hard in BfA and Shadowlands as they did in Legion. They thought they can get away with their success from Legion, but that failed directly after BfA launch.
    I don’t think it had any thing to do with them trying harder in legion and more to do with 7.1 being a rather small patch with just a dungeon and some quest and a tiny raid. 8.1 seems like a more reasonable time frame given that it had a full raid a remade dark shore a warfront ect, and matches up with night holds release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I don’t think it had any thing to do with them trying harder in legion and more to do with 7.1 being a rather small patch with just a dungeon and some quest and a tiny raid. 8.1 seems like a more reasonable time frame given that it had a full raid a remade dark shore a warfront ect, and matches up with night holds release.
    I wasn’t talking about 7.1, I was talking about their entire schedule that worked flawlessly in Legion.

    But if we want to go there: 7.1.5 (January 17, 4.5 months after 7.0) and 8.1 (December, 4 months after 8.0; 8.1.5 came out in March, 7 months after 8.0) came both out way sooner. Even 8.1.5 with an additional mini raid took around the same time as 9.1 will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Don’t compare it to the delayed BfA schedule (even Blizzard acknowledged that they’ve been late with BfA patches) compare it to the Legion schedule. Then you see the huge difference. But I guess they didn’t try as hard in BfA and Shadowlands as they did in Legion. They thought they can get away with their success from Legion, but that failed directly after BfA launch.
    But 9.1 is delayed too
    So it should be compared to the other delayed patch
    This isn’t even timing released it’s the content within it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I wasn’t talking about 7.1, I was talking about their entire schedule that worked flawlessly in Legion.

    But if we want to go there: 7.1.5 came out sooner than 8.1 (and more than 2 months faster than 9.1).
    Yeah it’s almost like legion didn’t have wild fires and a pandemic screw up it’s schedule

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    Yeah it’s almost like legion didn’t have wild fires and a pandemic screw up it’s schedule
    Okay, then take BfA as an example... but it’s only excuses, excuses, excuses. It’s not like Shadowlands overall has less content than Legion and BfA had at launch, but whatever.

    Edit: I mean this is just back and forth. Blizzard‘s schedule is a mild disaster at the moment and we should be thankful that TBC is coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Ya that I can agree with, they should just come out and say it like they did with shadowlands launch it’s not the PR could hurt them.
    Knowing Activision, sadly they would never do it...
    Quote Originally Posted by Firedemon View Post
    No. On these forums any updates mean an expansion hint.
    Wrathin comes back? Dragon expansion clearly!
    LK part of a quest? Wotlk 2 clearly!
    Sylvanas working with a death master? Shadowlands clearly!

    At the point we're headed for Wrath of the Shdowlands Dragon Isles Lich and tinkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sfidt View Post
    Not in the middle of an expansion though, not before the first major patch.
    So let's be specific. Longest mid expansion content drought. Not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I wasn’t talking about 7.1, I was talking about their entire schedule that worked flawlessly in Legion.

    But if we want to go there: 7.1.5 (January 17, 4.5 months after 7.0) and 8.1 (December, 4 months after 8.0; 8.1.5 came out in March, 7 months after 8.0) came both out way sooner. Even 8.1.5 with an additional mini raid took around the same time as 9.1 will.
    To look at the schedule without looking at the content is meaningless though. Sure 7.1 came out sooner then 8.1 but it was way smaller so to think they didn’t work as hard on BFA is folly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Is this breaking news or what? We’ve been in a pandemic for 12 months now. Other studios adapted to it and are able to deliver as they did before, others are struggling a lot. I just don’t see how it’s excusable for a company like Blizzard to get away with such an excuse when indie companies can pull it off just fine.
    You literally said that some companies have adapted and some haven’t. Could Blizzard be the latter? Or somewhere in the middle? There’s no doubt that the pandemic has affected output and continues to do so. By end of the year everything should start going back to normal but until then it’s gonna be a bit shit

  15. #675
    Quote Originally Posted by Alroxas View Post
    To be fair, end-game replayibility of WoD was non-existent. WoD had great leveling but very little after you reached max level.
    WoD on one side had no endgame activity beside raids, and leveling was both good and fast. Then they introduced Tokens and Garrisons became money printing machines with so low effort all it took was leveling an alt enough and then spam missions.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    WoD on one side had no endgame activity beside raids, and leveling was both good and fast. Then they introduced Tokens and Garrisons became money printing machines with so low effort all it took was leveling an alt enough and then spam missions.
    To be fair, Legion was far more profitable in terms of order hall missions and gold generation but I digress, we should stay on OPs point about content drought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifrica View Post
    Weeps, i'm wondering, what content do you normally run on a weekly basis?
    no offense meant or something, you can even send me a pm to talk about this separate from this topic.

    I'm fairly casual, running some dungeons, some wq and a weekly clear of the raid on normal. and my anima earnings far exceed the 1k per week.
    If you do your daily calling and do the anima wq for that, do the world boss, maybe the elite quest, and the raid, should already net you about 2k anima.
    if you add the 2 weekly quests in oribos and just run those 2 dungeons on normal, that's another good bit of anima that doesn't take very long.
    I gave up on anima.

    I was doing 3 mythic+ dungeons and half of heroic nathria a week. That's all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Okay, then take BfA as an example... but it’s only excuses, excuses, excuses. It’s not like Shadowlands overall has less content than Legion and BfA had at launch, but whatever.

    Edit: I mean this is just back and forth. Blizzard‘s schedule is a mild disaster at the moment and we should be thankful that TBC is coming.
    I was comparing it to BfA but you said “no don’t compare two delayed schedules to each other because you have to use legion which had disjointed patch releases like 7.1.5”

    8.1 release had less content than 9.1 is set to have

    Also in terms of release content
    8.0
    10 dungeons (I think that or 8)
    1 7 boss raid
    6 zones
    2 war campaigns
    1 warfront
    7 islands

    9.0
    8 dungeons
    5 zones
    10 boss raid
    4 covenant campaigns
    4 covenant systems
    2 torghast modes


    Compare the content
    Torghast is the equivalent of islands
    The maw is the equivalent of a war front (the assault from the jailer is the gear source)
    The covenant campaigns are the war campaign equivalent
    Bigger raid
    Fewer dungeons

    More content for a single character but arguably less for multiple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    In all of this, I'm left wondering "What are the mods doing?"

    Like, why is it that when someone posts a harmless meme they get infracted in 10 minutes, but when there's a clear troll thread, it goes on and on for 20+ pages? Lol.

    Then again, it's not like this forum has anything else to talk about than megalomaniac tidings of doom.
    Why do you continue to self sabotage?

  20. #680
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    first added tier after expansion release is usualy 4-5months, only x.1 patches that were sooner were when we did not get raid, so if they are going to release in june (not so unlikely if the PTR indeed is up in two weeks) that will be 7 months from release, which is roughly 2 or so months behind "normal" first raid added...

    yep, 2 months of delay by blizzard is SOOOOO MUCH MORE than 2 months of delay by square enix... and you are totaly not biased...
    Ussually 3-4 months actually. 5 months is the old record.

    • BfA: Aug 14th -> Dec 11th. 4 months. Following was 6 months later with a beefy middle patch between.
    • Legion: Aug 30th-> Oct 25th. 2 months. The rest of the patch came a month later so arguably 3. They staggered release to ensure people had content. The following patch was 5 months later with a mini patch between.
    • WoD: Nov 13th-> Feb 27th. 3 months. Though to be fair it was a garbage patch and the real patch came June. So 6 months. Though I dont think WoD should exactly be a standard in any way shape or form since at that point they had already dumped the expansion and put all their efforts on Legion.
    • MoP: September 25th-> Nov 27th. 2 months. The following patch was 4 months later.
    • Cata: Dec 7th-> April 26th. 4 and a half months. Following patch 2 months later.
    • WotLK: Nov 15th-> April 14th. 5 months. Following patch 4 months later.
    • TBC: Jan 16th-> May 22nd. 4 months. Following patch 5 months later.
    • Vanilla: Not exactly fair. It had CONSTANT patches so there is small gaps for all of them.



    We are CURRENTLY 5 months in. We are likely still 3 months away. The average for a new patch is 3-4 months. Shadowlands is set to double to average. Its not just doubling the average its hitting the point where other expansions have had two entire patches out.

    Likewise, old expansions had arguably more content at launch; each new expansion tends to have less and less at launch for people to do. Likewise it used to be when we were in a situation like now where blizzard doesnt exactly have a whole set of patch to launch we'd get a mini patch to hold us off. For example:

    Legion released quickly a patch. Said patch was mostly a dungeon and a tiny raid (It had other stuff mind but thats the big beefy stuff people look for)
    MoP did the same: Had a patch before the big raid patch with mostly smaller scale but still good content to it.

    Why can't Shadowlands do the same? Why didn't they release the Mega Dungeon NOW and hold off for the raid to later so players could at least have SOMETHING? This is what people mean when they say that blizzard is mismanaging the fuck out of this. They are learning nothing from their past, and are set to absolutly DESTROY the old record for waiting on content (not counting end of expansion waits).

    It does not matter that some of the .1 patches were small. Those small patches also came out very rapidly and they were still content. That blizzard isn't doing the same: holding people off with smaller patches, just speaks for blatant incomeptence and a refusal to look at their own history.
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