Thread: Undead Paladin?

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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by HateTrain View Post
    It's the same fucking light, yes?
    different methods of use.
    Priests channel light.
    paladins infused with light.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Tekra View Post
    Yo guys,

    I got a question and I'm quite curious how you think about this. Why aren't Undead Paladins a thing? They're dead humans revived basically right?
    So what if it was a Paladin before it died. I've heard arguments that Undead are not able to wield Holy magic, however, Undead Priests are a thing as well.

    So I basically don't see why it shouldn't be, but you guys probably could tell me.
    Every race, every class. There are no more excuses, especially with it all but explicitly confirmed that there's a timejump after 9.x. Stop artificially restricting character customization when there is no longer any plausible lore justification. These races/societies have comingled for decades of story time, they would adopt each other's practices just like in real life we do each other's cooking and music.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormdash View Post
    Every race, every class. There are no more excuses, especially with it all but explicitly confirmed that there's a timejump after 9.x. Stop artificially restricting character customization when there is no longer any plausible lore justification. These races/societies have comingled for decades of story time, they would adopt each other's practices just like in real life we do each other's cooking and music.
    a time skip was never confirmed.
    the report systems sucks and the mods are bias.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    different methods of use.
    Priests channel light.
    paladins infused with light.
    I mean... Many paladins are pretty much priests who were trained with martial weapons and combat.

    "Infused", "channel"? As if there is one trick to all of it in Warcraft, whole lore is filled with exceptions and workarounds to all that - that's why there are ordinary XYZ and "speshul" prodigy lore figures. And even among ordinary, it all differs vastly.
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  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I mean... Many paladins are pretty much priests who were trained with martial weapons and combat.

    "Infused", "channel"? As if there is one trick to all of it in Warcraft, whole lore is filled with exceptions and workarounds to all that - that's why there are ordinary XYZ and "speshul" prodigy lore figures. And even among ordinary, it all differs vastly.
    okay think of it this way. Priests are normal people.
    Paladins are slightly lightforged.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    okay think of it this way. Priests are normal people.
    Paladins are slightly lightforged.
    By lore, at the very least Silver Hand Paladins are simply Priests who were trained in arms due to necessity.

    It's not "lightforged" or crap like that. In reverse, if you bring Army of the Light - now there priests are lightforged, they are sure infused with light in their very veins.

    That's why I'm saying trying to say there is one recipe to all this is silly, because by lore - Silver Hand Paladins are not "infused" and Lightforged Priests sure are.

    I'm not even talking about Sunwalkers or Zandalari and that shit, that's its own can of worms. It's really not homogeneous shit, just like shadow practitioners are not necessarily all coming from old gods. There are really a lot of variants with different power sources for everything in Warcraft.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    By lore, at the very least Silver Hand Paladins are simply Priests who were trained in arms due to necessity.

    It's not "lightforged" or crap like that. In reverse, if you bring Army of the Light - now there priests are lightforged, they are sure infused with light in their very veins.

    That's why I'm saying trying to say there is one recipe to all this is silly, because by lore - Silver Hand Paladins are not "infused" and Lightforged Priests sure are.

    I'm not even talking about Sunwalkers or Zandalari and that shit, that's its own can of worms. It's really not homogeneous shit, just like shadow practitioners are not necessarily all coming from old gods. There are really a lot of variants with different power sources for everything in Warcraft.
    Paladins have been infused with light since the start of WoW. also go read the arthas novel.
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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    Paladins have been infused with light since the start of WoW. also go read the arthas novel.
    Chronicle II page 153.

    Go read up. "Infused with light" - nice headcanon, bud.
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Chronicle II page 153.

    Go read up. "Infused with light" - nice headcanon, bud.
    arthas novel describes him being infused with light when he became a paladin.
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    arthas novel describes him being infused with light when he became a paladin.
    And chronicle states that initial Paladins of Silver Hand were knights trained to use light by Alonsius Faol - a priest. Which really, was the lore as ever anyway.

    What was in particular with Arthas or with that novel is cute, but not end all be all thing for all paladins ever, which is what I am trying to explain.

    You are trying to find one formula for it all, but it's not there. For all intents and purposes - Vindicators, Sunwalkers, Silver Hand Paladins, Blood Knights, Lightforged - they all get their power by different means. Some are legitimately "infused", but many are simply trained and taught.
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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    And chronicle states that initial Paladins of Silver Hand were knights trained to use light by Alonsius Faol - a priest. Which really, was the lore as ever anyway.

    What was in particular with Arthas or with that novel is cute, but not end all be all thing for all paladins ever, which is what I am trying to explain.

    You are trying to find one formula for it all, but it's not there. For all intents and purposes - Vindicators, Sunwalkers, Silver Hand Paladins, Blood Knights, Lightforged - they all get their power by different means. Some are legitimately "infused", but many are simply trained and taught.
    now look who is using headcanon.
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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    now look who is using headcanon.
    I mean, I literally brought you Chronicle II page 153 that states how Silver Hand Paladins came to be. Which is as canon as it gets.

    But sure Alonsius Faol also trained Vindicators/Sunwalkers/Blood Knights and so on, they guy sure been busy. "Paladins" are not some one homogeneous thing, one trick does all. Heck, there are not even "Paladins" beyond Silver Hand ones, if we go actual lore, it's just a specific name given by specific faction to their version of holy user warrior.

    /shrug
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I mean, I literally brought you Chronicle II page 153 that states how Silver Hand Paladins came to be. Which is as canon as it gets.

    But sure Alonsius Faol also trained Vindicators/Sunwalkers/Blood Knights and so on, they guy sure been busy.

    /shrug
    so paladins are not allowed to evolve over time.
    also paladins cant use void/shadow magic. why? because they are infused with light.
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    so paladins are not allowed to evolve over time.
    also paladins cant use void/shadow magic. why? because they are infused with light.
    And druids can't use fel, because they are infused with nature?

    No, that's because they simply do not have the interest, nor affinity, nor training for it. That is until you have that one guy/gal that can and can start a whole bunch of them, like those Fire Druids with Fandral.

    Really you just can't wrap your head about the fact that warcraft universe is huge and shit is so different and freaky everywhere. It's like Priestess Delrissa using holy light and is a demon - totally canon. How? Because she can.

    There is really no one-trick to all that.
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  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    And druids can't use fel, because they are infused with nature?

    No, that's because they simply do not have the interest, nor affinity, nor training for it.
    druids are not infused with nature. they are linked to the emerald dream.

    you stop being a paladin if you try to use shadow magic.
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    The reason for this is because it would cause the majority of the Horde paladin players would switch to undead and quite frankly a good chunk of the Alliance ones would too. The lore has been established as there are several examples of them in the game already including named NPCs who are confirmed paladins and undead. Tauren should have never been made paladins before undead because undead had established proof of them while Blizzard had to force new lore to explain Tauren paladins.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    The reason for this is because it would cause the majority of the Horde paladin players would switch to undead and quite frankly a good chunk of the Alliance ones would too. The lore has been established as there are several examples of them in the game already including named NPCs who are confirmed paladins and undead. Tauren should have never been made paladins before undead because undead had established proof of them while Blizzard had to force new lore to explain Tauren paladins.
    There was a quote way back (way way back) that said they didn't make Night Elf Paladins because it would be so popular. But, of course after that, they made Blood Elf Paladins - and then those turned out to be really popular. I wonder what would have happened had Alliance gotten NE Palys and Horde got Undead Palys back then.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    a time skip was never confirmed.
    It was suggestive enough to remove most doubt, but let's say there's not - it's already long enough in story time by the time Shadowlands started for the race-class distinctions to be false and implausible for real immersion in this broadly integrated world.

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormdash View Post
    It was suggestive enough to remove most doubt, but let's say there's not - it's already long enough in story time by the time Shadowlands started for the race-class distinctions to be false and implausible for real immersion in this broadly integrated world.
    Ion said a timeskip wasnt going to happen.
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  20. #120
    There won't be any time skip, because it would be a big risk for franchise for dubious benefit.

    We will get the usual several years forward, but that all.
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