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    Question Conservative Identity Politics: The Bait and Switch

    The GOP constantly warn against coastal elites. Yet they go on to elect wealthy scions like Trump, Hawley, Cotton, and Rafael Cruz.
    Then try to pass themselves off as average Joe.

    Why doesnt the media call them out on this bait and switch?

    Consider the curious case of Dan Rodimer:
    Runs in NV 2020 with a conventual accent. Loses his race.




    Starts a new campaign for a TX district in 2021. All of a sudden its HEY Y'ALL IM BIG DAN WOO HAA.



    Which on is the phony? Which one is real? Is this identity politics at it's worst?

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    That....has to be the whitest fucking family I have ever seen. (I mean my whole family is pasty white, but somehow we ain't as white as that shit.)

    And the 2nd ad...that's like


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    The GOP constantly warn against coastal elites. Yet they go on to elect wealthy scions like Trump, Hawley, Cotton, and Rafael Cruz.
    Then try to pass themselves off as average Joe.
    Wow, I'm kinda impressed that he not only went for "The Commies in DC"...he doubled down on it.
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    This is nothing new. Certainly not for the GOP, and likely for politicians in general. Reagan's cowboy persona was completely fabricated bullshit. Just like Bush 43's farmer persona. They would do those interviews with Bush on his ranch, sitting on a hay bale, wearing a Carhartt jacket, and with a big tractor behind him. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saladbar View Post
    This is nothing new. Certainly not for the GOP, and likely for politicians in general. Reagan's cowboy persona was completely fabricated bullshit. Just like Bush 43's farmer persona. They would do those interviews with Bush on his ranch, sitting on a hay bale, wearing a Carhartt jacket, and with a big tractor behind him. What a joke.
    Because rural states have an outsized influence in the senate and the electoral college. Like we definitely needed two Dakotas.
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    Dan Bongino tried the same shit in Maryland, then in Florida.

    Carpetbaggers are a fucking cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saladbar View Post
    This is nothing new. Certainly not for the GOP, and likely for politicians in general. Reagan's cowboy persona was completely fabricated bullshit. Just like Bush 43's farmer persona. They would do those interviews with Bush on his ranch, sitting on a hay bale, wearing a Carhartt jacket, and with a big tractor behind him. What a joke.
    Weird how his brother Jeb never had that same ridiculous accent.


    Also whats with the cowboy hats? Is Ben starring in a new action movie with Gina, "The 4'10" to Yuma"?



    You're from Beverly Hills brah.

    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Also whats with the cowboy hats?
    They have to mark themselves as the villain somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post

    Also whats with the cowboy hats?
    Look at my stupid hat! I too fuck my sister! Vote for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    The GOP constantly warn against coastal elites.
    You're forgetting the part where their version of "coastal elites" seems to consist largely of associate professors at mid-tier colleges. Because...reasons?
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    Here is my favorite... Trump doing the magnum:



    Zoolander doing the magnum:



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    Appeals to identity and demographic lip service are cringey and toxic. It's not a big deal though because eventually people figure out that broad policy-based politics is better than identity politics and that universality is better than tribalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    You're forgetting the part where their version of "coastal elites" seems to consist largely of associate professors at mid-tier colleges. Because...reasons?
    Nah, more like Silicon Valley, who have a lot more wealth than most of the GOP and right wing elites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    You're from Beverly Hills brah.

    /s
    Will someone just let me swirly this dippy motherfucker and then shove him in a locker?

    Didn't he buy a truck he needs a step stool to get up in too?

    Ahem, anyway, welcome to white grievance culture. It's all the party is about at this point. Not like they have an actual platform other than shitting on all the people not like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Appeals to identity and demographic lip service are cringey and toxic. It's not a big deal though because eventually people figure out that broad policy-based politics is better than identity politics and that universality is better than tribalism.
    All politics are identity politics. There is no distinction between this and "policy-based politics".

    Any economic policymaking impacts on socioeconomic class distributions, either changing them in some meaningful way or securing the status quo from such change. Any of those options is identity politics, on socioeconomic class.

    Any social support systems are predicated on amending issues of poverty which, again, is identity politics.

    Military and diplomatic actions are fundamentally rooted in international divides and borders, and nationality is one aspect of identity, so yep, all military and diplomatic action is identity politics.

    I could keep going. Literally all politics are identity politics if you scratch the surface. The current outcry against "identity politics" is nothing more than the far-right fascist crowds trying to suppress policies that benefit or support identity groups they want to use as scapegoats and abuse targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Nah, more like Silicon Valley, who have a lot more wealth than most of the GOP and right wing elites.
    Yes I am aware that they mean Silicon Valley; I bring up “associate professors in mid-level colleges” to point out that conservatives usually rail against “the elite” in the (perceived) cultural sense, not economic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    All politics are identity politics. There is no distinction between this and "policy-based politics".

    Any economic policymaking impacts on socioeconomic class distributions, either changing them in some meaningful way or securing the status quo from such change. Any of those options is identity politics, on socioeconomic class.

    Any social support systems are predicated on amending issues of poverty which, again, is identity politics.

    Military and diplomatic actions are fundamentally rooted in international divides and borders, and nationality is one aspect of identity, so yep, all military and diplomatic action is identity politics.

    I could keep going. Literally all politics are identity politics if you scratch the surface. The current outcry against "identity politics" is nothing more than the far-right fascist crowds trying to suppress policies that benefit or support identity groups they want to use as scapegoats and abuse targets.
    No, if all politics were identity politics then we would simply call it "politics". Type the phrase into your search engine and you'll find that identity politics is by definition about particularizing everything while broad policy based politics is about abstracting away the particular details. You personally view everything through the lens of identity sub-groups and who is effected differently and that's fine for you, but your approach to politics is not the only approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    No, if all politics were identity politics then we would simply call it "politics".
    So....you are saying that identity politics is something you conservatives practice yourselves, but it's only bad when your opponents are doing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Appeals to identity and demographic lip service are cringey and toxic. It's not a big deal though because eventually people figure out that broad policy-based politics is better than identity politics and that universality is better than tribalism.
    still waiting on republican base to figure out this "policy-based politics" part, waiting my entire life to be exact

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    No, if all politics were identity politics then we would simply call it "politics".
    We do.

    Until people don't like certain policies, but can't argue against them rationally, and use "identity politics" as a slur to condemn them with an appeal to emotion.

    Type the phrase into your search engine and you'll find that identity politics is by definition about particularizing everything while broad policy based politics is about abstracting away the particular details. You personally view everything through the lens of identity sub-groups and who is effected differently and that's fine for you, but your approach to politics is not the only approach.
    I mean, ignoring people's lived experiences, particularly of minority groups', is just nakedly bigoted. And pushing the views of the majority as a political norm instead, which is explicitly identity politics.

    If you really want to push that angle.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/04...fits-far-right

    While it's generally only applied to politics focusing on the needs of disadvantaged groups, the principles also represent any advantaged group's status quo, implicitly. It's just that they've internalized their privilege as a "norm" and, like you're doing here, attempt to shut down other views.

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