This one:
There have been cases on this before with this issue already and it makes news for a while and then ultimately nothing actively changes.Survivors of sexual assault are urging Minnesota lawmakers to close what they say is a big loophole in state law.
Lindsay Brice, law and policy director at the Minnesota Coalition Against Sexual Assault, said the ruling was no surprise because the statute’s language doesn’t leave much room for interpretation.
“It makes it very clear that this issue needs to be fixed at the Legislature,” Brice said.
DFL Rep. Kelly Moller of Shoreview is sponsoring legislation that would change the law to say that anyone who’s intoxicated is incapable of consenting to sex even if they consumed alcohol or drugs voluntarily. Moller, who’s also an assistant Hennepin County attorney, said this would give prosecutors additional tools.
which you noted:
.They are saying that the reasoning argued by the Prosecution was flawed, because you cannot be ruled mentally imbalanced because you've ingested drugs or alcohol by your own choosing
The idea is that the law should be anyone who is intoxicated is incapable of consenting, that would actually be in the spirit of the law.
The argument that extend off of that is that in this area, the lawmakers aren't too terribly concerned or don't find it a terribly pressing matter since it been as issues for years, been brought up for years, and everyone says "oh what a shame about that." and then summarily do nothing.
This is why with our buddy orange saying this is just "outrage culture" fails for me as it is an appeal to law as if law is virtuous and ethical by virtue of being law.
Want me to quote more for you? I'm willing to bet not one of those people actually read the link and just decided to blame the judge and be outraged that this happened.
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How is shadowferal's post out of order?
Ladies night as a bar... go get drunk and if you're raped well... hope your lawyer doesn't claim because you were blackout drunk and mentally incapable... else your case may run into some issues.
Saying women in a bar is fair game is also fair because again... just by being in a bar and drinking you close yourself off from one claim for why it is rape...
Which is an issue and has been for years and is known.
I recognize that you probably think you're being the reasonable enlightened thinker, but when this guy inevitably goes free, what will your excuse for not being outraged be, then? If the law says that a person literally cannot be considered a rape victim if they're willingly intoxicated, why exactly should anyone think that he's not going to get away with rape? The pathetic "oh, but he's getting a second trial!" excuse isn't really going to hold up in this case, now is it?
If it was anything but sexual assault law and prosecution I might have a little more optimism. But that shit is notoriously garbage. This particular "she got drunk herself so she was clearly asking for it" law is just another case-in-point. So I'm not holding my breath that a rapist will actually be punished.
You were right, I didn't read it. I read it now. I stand by my post because literally, nothing changed after reading about the decision. The way the US justice system works, the Minnesota supreme court could have made a precedent by not dismissing the ruling, they chose to go the other way. How fucked up do you have to be that you rule a passed-out person mentally capable?
So every drunk woman in Minnesota is fair game, because how the fuck do you prove that someone made you drink more than you should when you passed-out? I mean, why the hell is being raped less meaningful than how willingly you drank vodka?
S'funny...oh I completely understand the legal angle as written. But I remember the outrage when a guy got busted for upskirting in MASS. There wasn't an actual law and the guy had to be set free...and we saw the state legislature react as swift, well, as fast that these can go to get a law on the books against it.
Lets see how quick MN can react.
Last edited by Shadowferal; 2021-03-28 at 02:56 AM.
I personally won't be outraged. This is on MN citizens and the law makers they vote in that allow this and don't work to change it. Does it suck she won't see justice? of course. maybe this will wake some people up that something does need changed and the current government isn't doing it.
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