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  1. #1041
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarnage86 View Post
    There are tons of unique different reward that can be given to people that beat the game at max difficulty. Like unique tittle, trasmo, mount, banner, house in cities, world buff that make all npc kneel before them (even player autokneel to them) and a lot more "U are the strongest of all" reward....
    equip=more power is it necessary for that people???
    Yes.

    That is how the game was built 20 years ago, it's what attracted people to the game in the first place.

    If you think you can do it better, go do it. Just know that many people have tried and none have succeeded.

    Power itself is a reward that gives people incentive to do harder content, it also serves as a post-clear nerf to the content so players who HAVE already cleared the content can do so easier. Other incentives don't go that far, and thus, generally are not enough given that raiding takes a large time and effort investment in order to succeed.

    I, and many others, don't view cosmetics as incentive enough, and npcs shouting how great you are is not the same as a power increase. Nobody wants randos telling them they're great, in fact I want randos to leave me tf alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    It's easier to walk away from something you haven't invested a lot of time into. It's the same concept as divorcing your wife of 10 years that you have a wife and 3 kids with VS breaking up with some girl you've been seeing casually for a month.

    Makes complete sense if you know that you're gonna be unhappy some time in the future.
    Yeah, but alternately: Don't delete it, and then if you decide to go back later, you don't start over from scratch.

    As someone who created a new account from scratch in MoP just to start with nothing purposely: All creating a new account does is make you want your old account back so you don't have to re-do all the shitty grinds you've already done before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    It's easier to walk away from something you haven't invested a lot of time into. It's the same concept as divorcing your wife of 10 years that you have a wife and 3 kids with VS breaking up with some girl you've been seeing casually for a month.

    Makes complete sense if you know that you're gonna be unhappy some time in the future.
    No, its like going out of an abusive relationship and immediately going into the next abusive one. It really makes no sense for me, the game is about cosmetics after all. *shrugs*

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    If a guy wants to delete it, then whatever. People should do what they want to do.

    /shrug

  4. #1044
    Quote Originally Posted by Tadkins View Post
    That is a good point. It's just depressing, lol. Everything is just...blegh.



    Confession time, I've never actually played Skyrim. ESO seems appealing but I should probably play that first.

    Thinking I might finally look into that once my computer situation is handled.
    If you enjoy Skyrim, I highly suggest heavily modding Morrowind and Oblivion. Morrowind is another kind of adventure, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Why would you delete your wow account full of cosmetics/achievements just to create a new one without that stuff? Makes 0 sense haha.
    They're what kept me so attached to the game. If I could get rid of that, I could just put down the game like no problem whenever I want.

  5. #1045
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    This is where it is just plain embarrassing. Learning to use the potty is a skill. Speaking English is a skill. Cooking scrambled eggs is a skill. I am genuinely sorry for you.
    I'm so proud of you for understanding the English language.

    Now use your "skill" and finish reading what I wrote. Hint: It's not "skill" in the way you people use it. You people use the word "skill" as in something special above and beyond what mere mortals could ever hope to achieve, let alone those 'filthy casuals.'

    Dunning-Kruger Effect in full effect with this one.

  6. #1046
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    Pretty irrelevant unless you provide infos about if there was a major content update or not.
    Delete - i suck at quoting.

  7. #1047
    Quote Originally Posted by Stardrift View Post
    If you enjoy Skyrim, I highly suggest heavily modding Morrowind and Oblivion. Morrowind is another kind of adventure, though.
    People here are always telling me to go play a single player game. Maybe it's time to give it a shot. What does WoW have to offer someone like me today anyway? Let the esport lovers have their game.

  8. #1048
    Quote Originally Posted by Electric Lighter View Post
    So... your entire argument boils down to... that last boss drops loot instead of just vanity items? To be frank most raiders wouldn't care if the last boss just drops vanity items all it would is accelerate sales to get gold for the next tier.
    Yes, that was my entire point. I wasn't trying to be sneaky or coy. Just saying that. It was for people who argue that questers don't need better gear, but raiders do. It's a hollow argument. Everyone (or practically everyone) is playing to progress their characters. So while raiders don't need the gear, they still want gear from that last boss, and it tends to be some of the best gear in the game.

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  9. #1049
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    Yes, that was my entire point. I wasn't trying to be sneaky or coy. Just saying that. It was for people who argue that questers don't need better gear, but raiders do. It's a hollow argument. Everyone (or practically everyone) is playing to progress their characters. So while raiders don't need the gear, they still want gear from that last boss, and it tends to be some of the best gear in the game.
    Well said. Everyone likes to progress and everyone benefits from upgrading their gear. And despite what many have said here there are places in the game even non-rated folks could use better gear. No one likes to be stagnant. Don't know why folks here are having such a hard time with that concept.

  10. #1050
    Quote Originally Posted by Tadkins View Post
    People here are always telling me to go play a single player game. Maybe it's time to give it a shot. What does WoW have to offer someone like me today anyway? Let the esport lovers have their game.
    The problem with single player games is that they end. MMORPGs don't which is the main draw for a lot of people. There are however a lot of good MMORPGs that cater to the solo player. WoW is pretty much the odd one out that still has a huge boner for premade super difficult instanced content and if you're not interested in that you can gtfo. Some MMORPGs that are much better for a casual and/or solo player that doesn't cater to the e-peen "duel me brah" type dudes that keep linking their parses: FFXIV, ESO, SWTOR to name a few.

  11. #1051
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    The problem with single player games is that they end. MMORPGs don't which is the main draw for a lot of people. There are however a lot of good MMORPGs that cater to the solo player. WoW is pretty much the odd one out that still has a huge boner for premade super difficult instanced content and if you're not interested in that you can gtfo. Some MMORPGs that are much better for a casual and/or solo player that doesn't cater to the e-peen "duel me brah" type dudes that keep linking their parses: FFXIV, ESO, SWTOR to name a few.
    That is true. Probably why I stuck with WoW for so long, there was always something new to look forward to. The community has always been harsh but at least the devs weren't leaking utter contempt from their pores for the solo playerbase until now.

    I may end up looking at FFXIV or ESO, if not just go stick with solo games. I also heard Skyrim was basically unending due to all the mods and stuff they got out there. But yeah as it's clear from this and other threads and forums, the non-competitive and the non-perfect do not have a place in this game anymore. I just read a thread on the official forums about how someone posted a "chill run +6" group that didn't go well and people were blaming him for trying. This is the state of the community we are at now.

  12. #1052
    Quote Originally Posted by Tadkins View Post
    That is true. Probably why I stuck with WoW for so long, there was always something new to look forward to. The community has always been harsh but at least the devs weren't leaking utter contempt from their pores for the solo playerbase until now.

    I may end up looking at FFXIV or ESO, if not just go stick with solo games. I also heard Skyrim was basically unending due to all the mods and stuff they got out there. But yeah as it's clear from this and other threads and forums, the non-competitive and the non-perfect do not have a place in this game anymore. I just read a thread on the official forums about how someone posted a "chill run +6" group that didn't go well and people were blaming him for trying. This is the state of the community we are at now.
    I think you are wrong, and this is why I think so

    Wow has difficult group content, you can't get that gear solo very easily, that is true, but every other game is pretty much wow just - the group content.

    If you play your average MMO on the market, it ends at current 203 ilvl, after that you can fish and craft and stuff to make some gold, but no matter if you want some further challenge or if you are happy with what you just did, you can't go beyond 203. (This is obviously comparing the "end game gear" to wows, translated to ilvl for an easy comparison)
    What wow does is give you the option, if you don't like the challenges above 203, you are free to stop there and do the same stuff you do in the other MMOs, quest some, fish, run old content, run dungeons and raids (LFR and Heroic) for story, collect stuff.
    But if you feel, hey, I'd like some additional challenge, you can go on, attempt normal raiding, higher m+ keys etc. The other MMOs simply lack this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    I think you are wrong, and this is why I think so

    Wow has difficult group content, you can't get that gear solo very easily, that is true, but every other game is pretty much wow just - the group content.

    If you play your average MMO on the market, it ends at current 203 ilvl, after that you can fish and craft and stuff to make some gold, but no matter if you want some further challenge or if you are happy with what you just did, you can't go beyond 203. (This is obviously comparing the "end game gear" to wows, translated to ilvl for an easy comparison)
    What wow does is give you the option, if you don't like the challenges above 203, you are free to stop there and do the same stuff you do in the other MMOs, quest some, fish, run old content, run dungeons and raids (LFR and Heroic) for story, collect stuff.
    But if you feel, hey, I'd like some additional challenge, you can go on, attempt normal raiding, higher m+ keys etc. The other MMOs simply lack this.
    It seems to me that people of his mindset or those like @Osmeric won't be happy until their preferred level of WoW attainment is the ONLY level you can aspire to. For whatever reason, they seem to take offense at there being higher harder content because it makes them feel bad somehow.

    Another question I don't think has been adequately answered - when exactly was WoW so single player, or casual friendly, to the point where there wasn't some upper tier level player running around super powerful compared to "LFR heroes" or "world quest players"? People in T3 Naxx gear utterly deleted people in casual raid T1 gear, let alone dungeon blues. TBC upper PVP/Sunwell gear made you ridiculously strong. WotLK wasn't exactly super casual friendly for that either, as a mix of upper tier PVP gear and ICC 25H gear let you do ridiculous things, such as play Prot warrior in PVP/Arena and do well from what I remember talking to one such player.

    For WoW's second era, Cataclysm made it fairly hard to get good gear earlier on - my first epic weapon there was a PVP 2hander - but I can't remember much aside from hearing about DS trinkets making PVP a joke for those who had PVE trinkets, like Vial of Shadows or Cunning of the Cruel. MoP, you still had a large gap in gear between those who raided then Heroic, normal and LFR. From what I know of WoD, sure the PVP gear was much more easily obtainable with Ashran, but that PVP gear wasn't terribly good in PVE since you lacked set bonuses.

    WoW's third era, Legion BFA and SL, are probably the era some people would point to and say, "Us casuals don't like that," but... where exactly was WoW ever a level playing field? Sure, Legion had PVP stat templates etc, but the wider community hated it and it was canned in BFA.

    You're looking for something that didn't exist, this mythical time in WoW where there weren't higher difficulties and tiers to aspire to or work towards. Where just messing around picking herbs and never setting foot in a true raid would somehow let you compete with people who'd been playing and gearing since launch.
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  14. #1054
    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    I think you are wrong, and this is why I think so

    Wow has difficult group content, you can't get that gear solo very easily, that is true, but every other game is pretty much wow just - the group content.

    If you play your average MMO on the market, it ends at current 203 ilvl, after that you can fish and craft and stuff to make some gold, but no matter if you want some further challenge or if you are happy with what you just did, you can't go beyond 203. (This is obviously comparing the "end game gear" to wows, translated to ilvl for an easy comparison)
    What wow does is give you the option, if you don't like the challenges above 203, you are free to stop there and do the same stuff you do in the other MMOs, quest some, fish, run old content, run dungeons and raids (LFR and Heroic) for story, collect stuff.
    But if you feel, hey, I'd like some additional challenge, you can go on, attempt normal raiding, higher m+ keys etc. The other MMOs simply lack this.
    My concern is that we no longer have challenging solo content as well. It's fine that there is challenging group content, but it's a hopeless situation when that is all there is, and folks like me struggle with that sort of content for reasons that have nothing to do with the content itself. It's the harsh and exclusive community, it's the difficulty in finding an open and accepting community, it's the difficulty in finding people you can click with that will let you learn and let you keep playing while you do. Folks in this thread chastise solo players but don't stop to think why they are solo players in the first place.

    In the past we did have decent solo gearing options. That's all I advocate for, are those options back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    It seems to me that people of his mindset or those like @Osmeric won't be happy until their preferred level of WoW attainment is the ONLY level you can aspire to. For whatever reason, they seem to take offense at there being higher harder content because it makes them feel bad somehow.

    Another question I don't think has been adequately answered - when exactly was WoW so single player, or casual friendly, to the point where there wasn't some upper tier level player running around super powerful compared to "LFR heroes" or "world quest players"? People in T3 Naxx gear utterly deleted people in casual raid T1 gear, let alone dungeon blues. TBC upper PVP/Sunwell gear made you ridiculously strong. WotLK wasn't exactly super casual friendly for that either, as a mix of upper tier PVP gear and ICC 25H gear let you do ridiculous things, such as play Prot warrior in PVP/Arena and do well from what I remember talking to one such player.

    For WoW's second era, Cataclysm made it fairly hard to get good gear earlier on - my first epic weapon there was a PVP 2hander - but I can't remember much aside from hearing about DS trinkets making PVP a joke for those who had PVE trinkets, like Vial of Shadows or Cunning of the Cruel. MoP, you still had a large gap in gear between those who raided then Heroic, normal and LFR. From what I know of WoD, sure the PVP gear was much more easily obtainable with Ashran, but that PVP gear wasn't terribly good in PVE since you lacked set bonuses.

    WoW's third era, Legion BFA and SL, are probably the era some people would point to and say, "Us casuals don't like that," but... where exactly was WoW ever a level playing field? Sure, Legion had PVP stat templates etc, but the wider community hated it and it was canned in BFA.

    You're looking for something that didn't exist, this mythical time in WoW where there weren't higher difficulties and tiers to aspire to or work towards. Where just messing around picking herbs and never setting foot in a true raid would somehow let you compete with people who'd been playing and gearing since launch.
    Conquest gear through random BGs throughout multiple expansions. Horrific visions in BfA. All great solo options. What was so wrong with that? Even in later Vanilla we had great honor gear that you could earn that was almost as good as Naxx gear.

    For the record I thought templates were a great thing and if we can't have gear, I'd be happy with either templates or ilvl brackets in BGs. I'd wait an extra 5 minutes in a queue if it meant a good game where I'm not sitting at the graveyard all game because some hardcore mythic raiders decided to queue up and pick on lesser geared folks.

    What is the point in paying a sub to the game if I'm just going to be picked on all day with no hope of ever fighting back? Still trying to get a good answer to that. Should I not have a place in the game that's higher than punching bag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadkins View Post
    My concern is that we no longer have challenging solo content as well. It's fine that there is challenging group content, but it's a hopeless situation when that is all there is, and folks like me struggle with that sort of content for reasons that have nothing to do with the content itself. It's the harsh and exclusive community, it's the difficulty in finding an open and accepting community, it's the difficulty in finding people you can click with that will let you learn and let you keep playing while you do. Folks in this thread chastise solo players but don't stop to think why they are solo players in the first place.

    In the past we did have decent solo gearing options. That's all I advocate for, are those options back.

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    Conquest gear through random BGs throughout multiple expansions. Horrific visions in BfA. All great solo options. What was so wrong with that? Even in later Vanilla we had great honor gear that you could earn that was almost as good as Naxx gear.

    For the record I thought templates were a great thing and if we can't have gear, I'd be happy with either templates or ilvl brackets in BGs. I'd wait an extra 5 minutes in a queue if it meant a good game where I'm not sitting at the graveyard all game because some hardcore mythic raiders decided to queue up and pick on lesser geared folks.
    I honestly don't think solo gearing has gotten worse, 8.3 had a good thing going with the visions, if you 5 masked you could get pretty geared solo. The current single player end game as I see it is Anima gear and your legendary, which requires Thorghast, preferably level 8, that could perhaps be a bit harder, but it's designed for slightly lower ilvls.

    I'm well aware that people enjoy playing solo, group content and pvp in all games will get bracketed, and people generally want to play with someone in their bracket or someone better, leading to everyone looking for someone better than themselves. It's a harsh environment. Most other MMOs however don't even have this option, it just stops after you get 203.

    Could there be something more challenging for solo players? I for sure wouldn't mind, I enjoyed both 5 mask visions and the mage tower when it was fresh, I think blizzard wanted Thorghast to have that spot this expansion, and I agree it could be way way more challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    I honestly don't think solo gearing has gotten worse, 8.3 had a good thing going with the visions, if you 5 masked you could get pretty geared solo. The current single player end game as I see it is Anima gear and your legendary, which requires Thorghast, preferably level 8, that could perhaps be a bit harder, but it's designed for slightly lower ilvls.

    I'm well aware that people enjoy playing solo, group content and pvp in all games will get bracketed, and people generally want to play with someone in their bracket or someone better, leading to everyone looking for someone better than themselves. It's a harsh environment. Most other MMOs however don't even have this option, it just stops after you get 203.

    Could there be something more challenging for solo players? I for sure wouldn't mind, I enjoyed both 5 mask visions and the mage tower when it was fresh, I think blizzard wanted Thorghast to have that spot this expansion, and I agree it could be way way more challenging.
    It has gotten worse though. Where is my 5 mask option in Shadowlands?

    I care about gear because random battlegrounds are my favorite part of the game. Folks in this thread are essentially telling me that I'm not allowed to play random battlegrounds until I become a gladiator rated PvPer, a high key M+ runner, or a heroic/mythic raider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadkins View Post
    Conquest gear through random BGs throughout multiple expansions. Horrific visions in BfA. All great solo options. What was so wrong with that? Even in later Vanilla we had great honor gear that you could earn that was almost as good as Naxx gear.

    For the record I thought templates were a great thing and if we can't have gear, I'd be happy with either templates or ilvl brackets in BGs. I'd wait an extra 5 minutes in a queue if it meant a good game where I'm not sitting at the graveyard all game because some hardcore mythic raiders decided to queue up and pick on lesser geared folks.

    What is the point in paying a sub to the game if I'm just going to be picked on all day with no hope of ever fighting back?
    OK, I have to admit I forgot about the small amount of conquest from random BG wins. I just always thought, "Wow, that's a really slow way to get things."

    The other things, like Horrific Visions - more options are good. Especially if they were truly challenging solo options. And the gap between a 200 player and a 226 player in SL is quite large from what I've heard - maybe that should be fixed.

    But I don't think you'll ever be able to get rid of the gear gap, or the time period where you are "paying your dues" to get geared. I remember grinding S2 Merc Glad gear on a newly 70 Fury(lol) Warrior in BC, and it was slow and painful, but at least it helped me learn how to play better.

    But you don't seem to mind slow, so I don't see why, say, a solo player could do Twisting Corridors and another challenging solo piece of content and get to, say, 213 ilvl. That would give you a better chance against group players. And the group players could still have some bonus for the innate difficulty spike in managing more than just yourself. Herding 19 cats is hard for Mythic raiding.

    I would certainly be more amenable to WoW if I could do difficult solo play content. Part of the problem is, though, if solo play content was as valid a gearing path as everything else, then things would need to be balanced around the solo play content. And they aren't even balanced from what I've heard, just trying to juggle M+, raiding and PVP. Classes like Mages would need to be buffed up in their solo capability to make things fairer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    OK, I have to admit I forgot about the small amount of conquest from random BG wins. I just always thought, "Wow, that's a really slow way to get things."

    The other things, like Horrific Visions - more options are good. Especially if they were truly challenging solo options. And the gap between a 200 player and a 226 player in SL is quite large from what I've heard - maybe that should be fixed.

    But I don't think you'll ever be able to get rid of the gear gap, or the time period where you are "paying your dues" to get geared. I remember grinding S2 Merc Glad gear on a newly 70 Fury(lol) Warrior in BC, and it was slow and painful, but at least it helped me learn how to play better.

    But you don't seem to mind slow, so I don't see why, say, a solo player could do Twisting Corridors and another challenging solo piece of content and get to, say, 213 ilvl. That would give you a better chance against group players. And the group players could still have some bonus for the innate difficulty spike in managing more than just yourself. Herding 19 cats is hard for Mythic raiding.

    I would certainly be more amenable to WoW if I could do difficult solo play content. Part of the problem is, though, if solo play content was as valid a gearing path as everything else, then things would need to be balanced around the solo play content. And they aren't even balanced from what I've heard, just trying to juggle M+, raiding and PVP. Classes like Mages would need to be buffed up in their solo capability to make things fairer.
    Yup, I was always fine with earning things a little slower than the rated/organized folks. I just played that content because it guaranteed me entry at any time of the day without the reliance on having friends. I was always geared below a mythic raider, but not to the point where it felt hopeless.

    If we had the conquest system before, as well as a Torghast gearing path that was similar to Horrific Visions that allowed a solo player to earn good gear through challenges, I would never have been in this thread. xD I'd also re-sub to to the game without a second thought once my computer is fixed.

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    I will say it again,
    1 night raiding, 1 time +15, 1 run of torgast not 2, AOTC and managed to be arms warrior heroic DPS Oceania 1st with 222 ilvl. (getting 7 power infusions was supposed to be a joke but it is still there and embarrassing)
    I am 34 and got full time job and a wife that is a curse upon me playing any game. I do not play wow more than 5-6 hours a week. Impossible.

    If you are still behind ilvl at this point and want everything to you handed over "YOU SUCK". That is it.

    I want higher ilvl because I want to be able to clear it faster and parse higher. I love the competition we have i the guild. It makes me feel good about myself seeing myself in the rankings. It is just a game but I just love being competitive. Same as the soccer I play every Sunday.
    I could do it, so can you. Stop whining and put some effort into it.

    Priotize what needs to be done. I would like to do pet battles. Try non-meta stuff. Do transmog runs. Farm gold and play auction. Play another class instead of the same warrior for the 16 years. I want a warlock so bad. or a rog geared to 222. But nope. I do not have time or the money to buy BOE from the auction.

    Get your shit together and play effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gref View Post
    I will say it again,
    1 night raiding, 1 time +15, 1 run of torgast not 2, AOTC and managed to be arms warrior heroic DPS Oceania 1st with 222 ilvl. (getting 7 power infusions was supposed to be a joke but it is still there and embarrassing)
    I am 34 and got full time job and a wife that is a curse upon me playing any game. I do not play wow more than 5-6 hours a week. Impossible.

    If you are still behind ilvl at this point and want everything to you handed over "YOU SUCK". That is it.

    I want higher ilvl because I want to be able to clear it faster and parse higher. I love the competition we have i the guild. It makes me feel good about myself seeing myself in the rankings. It is just a game but I just love being competitive. Same as the soccer I play every Sunday.
    I could do it, so can you. Stop whining and put some effort into it.

    Priotize what needs to be done. I would like to do pet battles. Try non-meta stuff. Do transmog runs. Farm gold and play auction. Play another class instead of the same warrior for the 16 years. I want a warlock so bad. or a rog geared to 222. But nope. I do not have time or the money to buy BOE from the auction.

    Get your shit together and play effectively.
    The point YOU people keep missing is MOST people don't want to do many of those things. It's not fun for them. They don't like having to deal with a bunch of elitist douchenozzles who whine and cry over every little thing ("whaa, I wanted that, why'd you give it to him?!" "whaa, you made a tiny mistake or your DPS isn't where I think it should be, this wipe is all your fault you fucking loser!!!!" "Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!") being the main reason, but there's plenty of other perfectly reasonable and sensible reasons for why they don't enjoy it.

    You like it. Good on you. Absolutely no one gives a fuck. Just like you don't give a fuck what I like or anyone else likes. But you shouldn't get all the best gear in the game just because it's something oyu like (or worse, endure just because you want the gear; that's NOT a good thing).

    The fact that you said "YOU SUCK" in all caps just because someone doesn't want to do what you do, and which you clearly hint is something you see as a chore more than a fun and entertaining aspect of the game, really says it all.

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