Pretty much yeah, im not arrogant to just throw w/e ilvl i find reasonable, thats in blizz hands to figure out, but theres no harm in introducing that 4th progression path that gives casual further progression past 200 ilvl while at the same time not making any high end content activity useless, its up to them where they draw the line, wanna keep it under heroic so heroic raiding isnt useless? cap it at 210, wanna make it under valor so valor system isnt useless? keep it under 220 and so on.
But honestly if you ask me they wont do this anytime soon, they recently introduced valor system and current blizz will improve that system instead of introducing this path so i wouldnt keep my hopes up for this if i was a casual.
Then don't play them?
If you are asking for endless trivial content...well i'm sorry that can't ever be a thing. It isn't physically possible to turn out content at a pace that could keep you entertained unless you played at most an hour a week. People are pushing you towards content with replayablity because those players tend to stick around more.
What they're saying is we can't function as basic adults because we are hopeless addicts who can't help ourselves please daddy developer save us. They clearly have a fucking problem if they can't actually make this most basic of choices and frankly from a developer stand point it makes zero sense to placate them. Offering everybody else less because try hard addicts can't help themselves just means everybody else has less. Since these people will evidently do the content anyway (albeit begrudingly) why would you risk alienating everybody else by gutting rewards?
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And WoD but here we are again same fucking shit over again. I mean these people tacitly acknowledge that incentive is key but in the very same breath want to deny others incentive. Its a fucking pyramid scam.
Honestly if casuals suddely get 226 gear with some easypeasy solo level way it would not much affect me immediatly as i get that gear too...
But what it will do is, that it woll destroy the main progression of wow since the beginning totally in every way. So we only have leveling and that is it.
At that point you can remove it and just drop transmog... and then the same people will complain, that mythic drops a more elaborate set (wod)
It would just be stupid. I am 100% that wow would loose money as many people would have nothing to work towards to anymore with their character. Yes clearing a raid feels good. But that is same as leveling. You do it once and then it is just rince and repeat. Gearing on the other hand never really stops unless you are really lucky.
I am 224 now. Not even half through Mythic. And i am allready annoyed as i won't get much upgrades anymore. And i did not even do PvP or much Mythic+.
TLDR: Take away gearing and wow will losse a LOT of players very fast because the carrot on the stick is gone.
I'm already not playing, and even when my computer gets fixed I don't think I want to come back. I know how "welcome" I'm going to be.
There are plenty of options that we've already had in the game for casual solo progression content. All I wish we could have is to have those back. And that's ignoring the stuff that could be repurposed. I was excited for Torghast as a solo progression, just like i greatly enjoyed Horrific Visions in BfA. Sadly they dropped the ball there, but I'd be playing for that.
At the moment though, as someone who isn't hyper-skilled and doesn't have many friends, I don't feel like I have a place here.
I mean your demands are not sensible.. Everywhere else the loot matches up with the difficulty of the game but you want a weird exception made because...because of what?
You want to be more powerful for no explainable reason beyond the desire for power? The real paradox is the people you are claiming are trying to keep you down usually play for cosmetic or to do the mythic race more then any power reward.
Because that's what we had before. I was able to slowly earn conquest gear through random battlegrounds. I just want that back.
Because as it stands, queuing for random battlegrounds isn't an option anymore unless I want to be a graveyard warmer.
I didn't misunderstand your analogy at all. I think you're deliberately ignoring mine.
Those "skilled players" started at the same point as everyone else, including casuals. Blizzard already created a raid for casual players -- it's called LFR. It's specifically designed with fewer mechanics for less-skilled or more casual players. It has a lower gear requirement. CASUALS DO NOT NEED MAX ILEVEL GEAR FOR THE CONTENT THEY ARE DOING.
This is an MMO, not a single-player game. There are no "cheat codes." There is no "God mode" to make players all-powerful.
And YES, GEARING DOES MATTER.
Gear works as an incentive for everyone who isn't a world-first raider. It's basic psychology. If casuals have access to end-game gear, so do regular heroic raiders. We actually had this situation in BFA. M+ was an easier source of gear than raiding was. You know what happened? It felt like SHIT. There was no incentive to do harder and less lucrative raids than to do M+. You'd work on a hard boss for days, finally get it down, and then every single piece of loot anyone got in the raid was sharded because everyone already had better from M+. Not only that, but everyone over-geared content, so bosses were significantly less challenging. What happened? Players blasted through raids at a record rate. If you didn't have enough players for Mythic, your guild either shut down or died as you finished heroic. PUGs blasted through mythic raids. And then everyone sat around and complained about an artificial content drought (not like this one; the current content drought is both unusual and real) because everyone went through the raid too fast. Just handing out all the shiniest loot actually creates systemic problems in the game itself.
Blizzard typically starts slowly nerfing high-end raids a short while after world-first race is concluded. This time around is no different. If you're a casual who wants to see heroic, either do normal and work your way up or pay for a carry. If you can't do normal, do LFR. There is literally four different difficulties of raid out right now: LFR, normal, heroic, mythic. There is absolutely NO reason for casuals to need better gear than what their current content provides. If you want better gear, work your way up.
In a way, your own argument works against you. You want better gear so badly that you're making posts about it on MMO champ. That's incentive for you to learn how to do mechanics better. It's incentive for you to learn on how to become a better player. Stop being lazy and go do it.
In the words of your analogy, your average Joe needs to practice his driving skills against his cousin and pay for a tune up. And then he can go do some local car races when he gets better. Eventually, he might have earned the right to go to the Indy 500. He's not entitled to be allowed to race there.
I am sorry but that is just not true. The whole raidlogging and raiderio/wowprogress stuff started in Legion.
I have been a complete casual in Legion. I have no RL friends playing wow.
I jumped over my shadow and joined a normal raiding guild. It was fun. We were all total noobs. But we worked ourself up together.
Now i am raiding mythic and only 2x2,5 hours a weak with roation days every 4th.
Everyone is welcome in wow. But you cannot expect to be able to take part in certain parts of the game without putting in the work. And getting gear "just cause" won't change that.
Every playstyle (pvp, mythic+, raid) has a difficulty for litterally everyone. There are guilds for every playstyle hardcore to total casual without even fixed raiding days.
But if you don't want to take part in it, which it come of as, then i don't really know why you want to play the game anyway.
Wow is not a solo game and never should be.
Actual singleplayer games can make that so much better. Cyberpunk, divinity, Baldurs gate, Dragon Age. All of those have a better SP way because they are actual SP games and they can do stuff like it is demanded in this thread.
So here's the problem -- WoW is not rocket science.
What role do you play, and what kind of guides are you using? Where do you stand in comparison to the rest of your raid?
Because, this may be news to you, but gear won't help you if you get one-shot by mechanics. Gear won't help your raid if they don't do the fight mechanics correctly. Gear won't help your raid if they don't know how to play their classes and roles.
As my father would say, "Use the right tool for the job." In this case, the correct thing to do is to stop being an unskilled ass, and get better at what you're playing. And once you figure that out, help your fellow raiders out.
cause it impacts their ego.. people should be able to progress their characters to max ilvl via multiple paths, sure raiding could(should) be the fastest but the casual the logs on for dailies every day and that's it should be able to hit those same levels eventually (but before the next raid patch).
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