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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    An adult having sex with a minor is always rape automatically.
    Statutory rape, to be more specific. But yes, still rape.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I gotta point out a minor mistake in the Legal Eagle video. He falsely claims that in the US you can’t pay for sex without breaking the law. See Nevada for legal prostitution.
    Nevada? How about my marriage license? /rimshot

    I’m single, but I love these...

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  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yes, when someone can’t consent it’s known as rape.
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    I’m confused... are you defending Matt Gaetz sex trafficking, by arguing 17 is old enough? Whaaa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    An adult having sex with a minor is always rape automatically.
    I was just confused by Breccia's post:
    Oh, wait, she's 19? Then I totally paid to have sex with her against her will.
    The "against her will" when 19 doesn't makes sense, if she's a 19 year old prostitute. SO I thought he was maybe talking about a different situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I was just confused by Breccia's post:

    The "against her will" when 19 doesn't makes sense, if she's a 19 year old prostitute. SO I thought he was maybe talking about a different situation.
    Now quote his very next sentence... wtf?

    Edit: Do you think it’s a smart move, to claim that the prostitute you paid for, isn’t raped... because she is 19? Do you notice a problem with saying that? Any problem at all? Here... I’ll bold it...
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  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Now quote his very next sentence... wtf?
    you mean this?
    Do the specifics of people you didn't rape matter?
    Well YES, the specifics of people you rape due to consent laws matters, especially if they are 18 or over. Because then it's not rape, but it could be prostitution or trafficking

    I am in no way saying sex with that 17 year old (if she is 17) is not rape, just got confused by his post that's all
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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    Well YES, the specifics of people you rape due to consent laws matters, especially if they are 18 or over. Because then it's not rape, but it could be prostitution or trafficking
    Yes, meaning that there is a problem, when Gaetz claims the prostitute he paid for, is 19... do you see that big bold problem, of why the specifics of a woman he didn’t rape matter? Do you notice a problem, unrelated to rape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yes, meaning that there is a problem, when Gaetz claims the prostitute he paid for, is 19... do you see that big bold problem, of why the specifics of a woman he didn’t rape matter? Do you notice a problem, unrelated to rape?
    I clearly misread, misinterpreted, and miscomprehended what was written. Chillax a bit homie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I was just confused by Breccia's post:

    The "against her will" when 19 doesn't makes sense, if she's a 19 year old prostitute. SO I thought he was maybe talking about a different situation.
    Unless she’s a professional in Nevada then it’s still a crime to pay her for sex. Not sure how much “against her will” plays into it, but yeah. Watch the legal eagle video for a decent analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Unless she’s a professional in Nevada then it’s still a crime to pay her for sex. Not sure how much “against her will” plays into it, but yeah. Watch the legal eagle video for a decent analysis.
    I actually DID watch the video, and it never mentioned rape. So I thought maybe there was some new revelation ... my question was simply is this a new rape? or the non-consent rape. No need for everyone to freak out lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I clearly misread, misinterpreted, and miscomprehended what was written. Chillax a bit homie.
    Stop projecting, homie... I’m not the one defending a knee jerk reaction.
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  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Stop projecting, homie... I’m not the one defending a knee jerk reaction.
    I bow down to your forum superiority!

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I actually DID watch the video, and it never mentioned rape. So I thought maybe there was some new revelation ... my question was simply is this a new rape? or the non-consent rape. No need for everyone to freak out lol
    I think the issue is that if she is underage, it's Rape. Period. And child rape at that, because she is underage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I think the issue is that if she is underage, it's Rape. Period. And child rape at that, because she is underage.
    Yep, I get that. Do we know if this alleged 17 year old girl was using SeekingArrangements.com to find these 2 guys? Is that website on the hook for any of this? How legal are those "escort" services that say you are only paying for a girls time, anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    Yep, I get that. Do we know if this alleged 17 year old girl was using SeekingArrangements.com to find these 2 guys? Is that website on the hook for any of this? How legal are those "escort" services that say you are only paying for a girls time, anyway?
    I don't have any information on that. And to a large extent, it's irrelevant. Underage sex is child rape. Flying someone away to a location to pay for sex is another set of federal felonies. Gaetz appears to be on the hook for all of that, plus much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    An adult having sex with a minor is always rape automatically.
    This is actually not true.

    In the majority of states, the age of consent is 16. And even under the age of consent, most states have an age difference exclusion. In Hawaii, for example, a 14-year-old could have consensual sex with a 19-year-old without triggering the state's statutory rape law, despite the fact that the general age of consent is 16 in Hawaii.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    This is actually not true.

    In the majority of states, the age of consent is 16. And even under the age of consent, most states have an age difference exclusion. In Hawaii, for example, a 14-year-old could have consensual sex with a 19-year-old without triggering the state's statutory rape law, despite the fact that the general age of consent is 16 in Hawaii.
    In those laws are you seeing some kind of age gap "allowed". So for instance, while the 19 year old in Hawaii is clear, a 30 year old wouldn't be.

  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I don't have any information on that. And to a large extent, it's irrelevant. Underage sex is child rape. Flying someone away to a location to pay for sex is another set of federal felonies.
    Well, it is kind of relevant, because if "sugar daddy" situations are a legal grey area, then possibly the "flying someone to a location to pay for sex" just becomes "flying someone to a location for sex" which might have different punishments. Still on the hook for the 17year old, but any other of the "prostitution" charges might not stick. I don't know how explicit the evidence of "here is money so I can stick my talliwhacker in your whooha" needs to be.

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I actually DID watch the video, and it never mentioned rape. So I thought maybe there was some new revelation ... my question was simply is this a new rape? or the non-consent rape. No need for everyone to freak out lol
    I certainly wasn’t freaking out, I was just responding to your questions. And in the video it’s pointed out that feeding their drugs habit is a coercive act regardless of age. That’s another way of saying rape in addition to the human trafficking. This is highlighted around the 14 minute mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    Well, it is kind of relevant, because if "sugar daddy" situations are a legal grey area, then possibly the "flying someone to a location to pay for sex" just becomes "flying someone to a location for sex" which might have different punishments. Still on the hook for the 17year old, but any other of the "prostitution" charges might not stick. I don't know how explicit the evidence of "here is money so I can stick my talliwhacker in your whooha" needs to be.
    There is always going to be gray areas in the law - and you point out some parts that will raise issues. But with Gaetz, in this thread, he looks to be truly...fucked.

    (this isn't directed at you specifically solinari, just to be clear)
    I would also categorically disagree with those that think his money is going to keep him from jail. At best his protection would come from the GOP, not Gaetz's family money, and that seems to be falling rapidly.

    Gaetz is more than likely facing the following category of charges:
    • Sex Trafficking
    • Prostitution, Paying for Sex
    • Child Rape
    • Money Laundering
    • Lying to Federal Officers

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    Wait, I'm confused, there are rape accusations now?
    Other than statutory, not that I'm aware of. That was a horrible post edit on my part. Sorry for the confusion everyone. Fixing the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    [*]Sex Trafficking
    From what I've seen, there's got to be pretty solid evidence of this. It's not like you can pay for plane tickets for two unnamed people with cash anymore.

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