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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I wasn't aware that our opinions always had to align exactly with the law. Is big brother watching?
    No, but it's questionable that you think that anyone's opinion of the person being sex trafficked is relevant to how bad the perpetrator's actions are. There's a reason why victim blaming is considered to be a bad thing, and it's kinda sickening that you're laser focused on discussing whether or not the girl deserved to be statutory raped.

    And as to the fact that it happened in the Bahamas, sex tourism is ALSO illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    And as to the fact that it happened in the Bahamas, sex tourism is ALSO illegal.
    “Sex tourism” is defined as travel planned specifically for the purpose of sex, generally to a country where sex work is legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Again, as of right now, we don’t know the specifics of that relationship
    We actually know quite a bit, between payments found and a confession being made. At this point you're just trying to walk away from it because you feel it's okay, when in reality the law states that he in fact did a bunch of bad shit.

    Also, just because Nevada allows you to buy prostitutes doesn't mean it's okay in other states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Because the very first page of this thread has people automatically jumping on the he’s a pedo-train cause he may have had sex with a *gasp* 17 year old.

    That’s ridiculous, and by definition, not true. She was 17, get a damn grip.
    There's no "may" about it. He absolutely did, we have the payments of that very thing.

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    Child on SA? Should get a slap on the wrist. Community service or some shit.
    Adult who was grooming child on SA? A nice dark cell for the rest of their days. What kind of retard do you have to be, seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    S/he knows the point, they’re choosing to miss it because why waste time on context when you can just enjoy some good solid outrage.
    Even with proper context it's not any better, but in fact worse. This is a strange hill you're willing to die on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    We actually know quite a bit, between payments found and a confession being made. At this point you're just trying to walk away from it because you feel it's okay, when in reality the law states that he in fact did a bunch of bad shit.

    Also, just because Nevada allows you to buy prostitutes doesn't mean it's okay in other states.
    I’ve said it numerous times - I’m not okay with the trafficking and all the other shit he did. I just find it funny and hypocritical that people are getting all worked up about her age (17) and calling him a pedo, just because FL is one of few states where 18 is the age of consent.

    He’s not a pedo. He’d be a sex offender... along with some other titles based on his crimes.
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    Considering fratboy wannabe Gaetz went out of his way to his his Venmo transactions using code words means he knew exaclty what he was doing.

    Also lets not forgot he loved to share/show pictures of his "girlfriends" on the house floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’ve said it numerous times - I’m not okay with the trafficking and all the other shit he did. I just find it funny and hypocritical that people are getting all worked up about her age (17) and calling him a pedo, just because FL is one of few states where 18 is the age of consent.

    He’s not a pedo. He’d be a sex offender... along with some other titles based on his crimes.
    I see what you mean, but honestly, the other states are no more relevant than all the other countries. The states set their own rules, and the rules are strict for a reason.

    I mean, would your stance really be any different, if the age of consent was 18 in most (if not all) of the states (or countries), and not just few of them? Because it kinda sounds like that's what this seems to boil down with you. (Btw, is this also an appeal to popularity?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I see what you mean, but honestly, the other states are no more relevant than all the other countries. The states set their own rules, and the rules are strict for a reason.

    I mean, would your stance really be any different, if the age of consent was 18 in most (if not all) of the states (or countries), and not just few of them? Because it kinda sounds like that's what this seems to boil down with you. (Btw, is this also an appeal to popularity?)
    See if she’ll tell you how young is too young for a girl the 36-year old congressman is grooming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I see what you mean, but honestly, the other states are no more relevant than all the other countries. The states set their own rules, and the rules are strict for a reason.

    I mean, would your stance really be any different, if the age of consent was 18 in most (if not all) of the states (or countries), and not just few of them? Because it kinda sounds like that's what this seems to boil down with you. (Btw, is this also an appeal to popularity?)
    We tend to base our opinions and make our moral judgments on what’s right and what’s wrong based on the laws that are set in place. Because the age of consent in the US is between 16-18, depending on the state, you’re going to get people agreeing and disagreeing on ”what’s right”. Personally, I think 17 (no younger) is an appropriate age for consent. That said, if the laws were different and 18 was the minimum age I'm sure my stance would align with that.

    Again, though, I’m in no way excusing his behavior based on my view of consent. The law is the law, and in his particular state it’s 18. And him trying to weasel his way around it by trafficking a 17 year old out of state to have sex with her, is wrong and he should absolutely face punishment for that.
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    When you find yourself having no problem with a 60-year-old dude banging your 13-year-old kid...

    You should probably just stop digging.

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    We're not going to continue debating the age of consent and how it differs between communities. It's muddying discussion unnecessarily, so keep to the details around the case.
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  13. #593
    Illegal or legal, it is awful and gross behavior. When do we start demanding good behavior from the people elected to lead? And why does it seem, so many in government are so disgusting to begin with? This, more than anything, should tell us that our system is wrong because it rewards the shittiest behavior in our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Illegal or legal, it is awful and gross behavior. When do we start demanding good behavior from the people elected to lead? And why does it seem, so many in government are so disgusting to begin with? This, more than anything, should tell us that our system is wrong because it rewards the shittiest behavior in our society.
    They won't be help accountable for one reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Illegal or legal, it is awful and gross behavior. When do we start demanding good behavior from the people elected to lead? And why does it seem, so many in government are so disgusting to begin with? This, more than anything, should tell us that our system is wrong because it rewards the shittiest behavior in our society.
    This. Some people trying to excuse it (on any terms) is a bit ridiculous. These are our elected leaders and they should be the best of us. And I'm sorry, but if you are going after ANY girl aged under 18 in my eyes you are a pedo, or borderline pedo at the very least. As if there aren't plenty of ''of-age'' girls avaialble in this country and world that would have sex? Yeah there's a very, very good reason why this girl was still a teenager. Because ole' boy likes 'em young. Ya know, like a pedo would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’ve said it numerous times - I’m not okay with the trafficking and all the other shit he did. I just find it funny and hypocritical that people are getting all worked up about her age (17) and calling him a pedo, just because FL is one of few states where 18 is the age of consent.

    He’s not a pedo. He’d be a sex offender... along with some other titles based on his crimes.
    Hypocritical? That would mean that they would have to be physically okay with that and no one has said anything of the sort to be "hypocritical" in the least bit.

    Also not being okay with doing it with a 17 year old isn't a bad thing, you realize that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post

    He’s not a pedo. He’d be a sex offender... along with some other titles based on his crimes.
    Sure. Technically, he isn't a pedo, technically.

    But the social condemnation that equates him to a pedo is 100 warranted.

    He likes 'em young because he is a fucking creep who gets off on that shit.

    I'm one of those people who isn't inherently opposed to the idea of someone dating someone much younger. I'm currently dating someone who I met when she was 20 and I was 30.

    But it was not something I pursued because I like them young. On the contrary, I was quite conflicted about it early on as I felt the age difference was too much, I didn't want to get invested into something that wasn't going to last and I felt we might not work because we might not have shared interest/outlooks.

    The age difference was something we had to work on, especially the first year, now we've been together for 6 years and sometimes it's still an issue, but more because I feel weird about it, even after all this time, and sometimes I feel I'm judged when people find out that I'm 36 (tho I do look somewhat younger).

    The point is that age really isn't just a number in this context, and Matt here clearly gets off on the unequal power dynamics that are specifically linked to age.

    So yeah, he's a shit who gets off on diddling children. Just that he in this case diddled mostly girls skirting legality doesn't change who he is as a person. A creepy pedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Sure. Technically, he isn't a pedo, technically.
    Which is as solid a legal defense as "at least my client didn't kick the dog while fleeing the scene of the murder". There's enough illegal shit in what he did that, honestly, whether Florida says 17 or 18 isn't Gaetz's biggest problem right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    There's enough illegal shit in what he did that, honestly, whether Florida says 17 or 18 isn't Gaetz's biggest problem right now.
    Which is what people should be focusing on, instead of cheapening the damage caused by actual pedophilia by equating this to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’ve said it numerous times - I’m not okay with the trafficking and all the other shit he did. I just find it funny and hypocritical that people are getting all worked up about her age (17) and calling him a pedo, just because FL is one of few states where 18 is the age of consent.

    He’s not a pedo. He’d be a sex offender... along with some other titles based on his crimes.
    Because he is a pedo. Just because she happens to be 17, doesn't make it any less of a crime against an underaged person.

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