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  1. #721
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    It might “only be one of them” but that’s a pretty damning crime, removed of any of the other “less illegal” prostitution charges.

    It’s like saying “sure I beat up a lot of people for no reason, but only one of them died!”
    Well, yeah ... but his defense has to come up with SOMETHING. It seems to me that the "we only paid for their time" defense is the only place they can go. They may use that to try to argue it was only "underage sex" not "underage prostitution". When traveling cross state lines, I don't know if that distinction would help them much though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    that is only but one of the hookers in question, I believe. I just don't think his defense of "I didn't do anything wrong" is something that is going to work in the long run.
    Neither do I. And I'll be honest, I wasn't bothering to count how many whores he paid for sex, since anything over "zero" is a crime, so this is new info due to my own lack of due dilligence.

  3. #723
    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    When traveling cross state lines, I don't know if that distinction would help them much though.
    Transporting someone underage across state lines for sex is a felony regardless of whether they're paid or not. It's a trafficking charge, not a prostitution charge.

  4. #724
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Transporting someone underage across state lines for sex is a felony regardless of whether they're paid or not. It's a trafficking charge, not a prostitution charge.
    ah, good to know. I guess that only leaves him with "I swear I thought she was 18!" defense. Good luck with that!
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  5. #725
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Transporting someone underage across state lines for sex is a felony regardless of whether they're paid or not. It's a trafficking charge, not a prostitution charge.
    hell its a felony even if you are not having sex to transport a minor across state lines if you are not given permission by their parents or guardians.

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    I believe there is a Winger song with those exact lyrics. Matt Gaetz must be a fan.

    Janis Ian & Howard Stern Seventeen was much better and much more relevant


    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  6. #726
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    hell its a felony even if you are not having sex to transport a minor across state lines if you are not given permission by their parents or guardians.
    Either way, the problems are related to the transport and the sex. Whether or not he paid them for it is really kind of beside the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "others"
    There's more info. Politico got hold of a subpoena and talked to sources in the case. We know they're looking for

    communications with or records of payment to or from any women you met through the above individuals or who attended parties, gatherings, or events also attended by you and any of the above individuals from January 2016 to the present
    We have a new name. Joe Ellicott.

    Ellicott is a long-time friend and colleague of Greenberg. They worked together at the tax collector's office -- Greenberg hired him for nearly $100,000 a year despite Ellicott having zero experience in that arena. Greenberg hosted a sports podcast and "Big Joe" Ellicott would appear as a guest host1. Ellicott was one of Greenberg's groomsmen which incidentally was in 2016 so, yes, the actual wedding invitation just got subpoena'd. These two are close.

    "Okay, but just because two carbon-based life forms exist in proximity to each other doesn't prove anything."

    No...but three things.

    One:

    As scandals engulfed Greenberg, Ellicott was accused of sexually harassing a woman who worked in the Seminole County tax collecting office. The woman sent the office a letter on Aug. 28, 2019, threatening to sue over the alleged harassment that listed a host of inappropriate comments Ellicott allegedly made to her, including “how much he wants sex from young women,” and “how he uses women sexually when they are in desperate situations such as a young student or a single mom,” according to a copy of the letter.
    "Oh shit."

    Yeah. I could stop there. But there's more.

    Two, there's a fourth name now involved, and truly a shocker: Harry Shearer, the voice actor of Rev. Lovejoy, Mr. Burns and Smithers, and...

    (checks notes)

    Sorry, that's Halsey Beshears, a former state House member with Gaetz. He was also the Florida Secretary of Something Business Something until, yep, the investigation started and he fled from his office, "due to health reasons", Jan 15th of this year. Hmm. I'm sure that's a coincidence.

    The subpoena obtained by Politico asks for communication the four had with each other, including planning for the trip and pictures taken during. Oh, right Beshears was on the Bahamas trip. I probably should have said that earlier. Also it's a lot less of a coincidence that four politicians working together all get called out, as opposed to three plus a famous animated voice actor who they've likely never met.

    One person is a lone wolf coincidence. Two people acting together? Could be a Bonnie and Clyde. Doesn't prove much. But when there's now four people involved, looking to me like Greenberg brought in Ellicott and Gaetz brought in Beshears, it's a lot less "a few bad apples" and more "compost heap".

    *ahem*

    But I said three things, didn't I?

    Let's go back to the dangling plot threads from earlier in this post. Based on the timeline, I'm 94.5612% confident that Greenberg turned in Ellicott.

    Who was one of his groomsmen.

    Call it what you will, "he had no choice if he wanted to save his own hide" or "level of betrayal usually reserved for Desperate Housewives" Greenberg ratted out his own wingman. The guy he rescued from living with his mother (oh right, Ellicott was living with his mother when Greenberg hired him) with a cushy govt job and had been close friends with for years, and quite possibly took on the Bahama child-fucking sex-trafficking vacation, and Greenberg sold him out to the cops.

    If Greenberg will do that to his own best buddy, what chance does Gaetz have?


    1 Politico also reports that Greenberg got hundreds of thousands of federal COVID relief funds for it. And yes, that's fraud. It's a smaller story that probably got missed, more information here. I know when I saw "wire fraud" on the charges I thought it was all Venmo-related overseas shit. I had no idea Greenberg would, in addition to bringing a child across borders for the explicit purpose of he and his friends taking turns raping her, would also steal money dedicated to helping those disadvantaged by the lethal outbreak his party helped make worse, especially in his own state of Fuck Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    There's more info. Politico got hold of a subpoena and talked to sources in the case. We know they're looking for



    We have a new name. Joe Ellicott.

    Ellicott is a long-time friend and colleague of Greenberg. They worked together at the tax collector's office -- Greenberg hired him for nearly $100,000 a year despite Ellicott having zero experience in that arena. Greenberg hosted a sports podcast and "Big Joe" Ellicott would appear as a guest host1. Ellicott was one of Greenberg's groomsmen which incidentally was in 2016 so, yes, the actual wedding invitation just got subpoena'd. These two are close.

    "Okay, but just because two carbon-based life forms exist in proximity to each other doesn't prove anything."

    No...but three things.

    One:
    As scandals engulfed Greenberg, Ellicott was accused of sexually harassing a woman who worked in the Seminole County tax collecting office. The woman sent the office a letter on Aug. 28, 2019, threatening to sue over the alleged harassment that listed a host of inappropriate comments Ellicott allegedly made to her, including “how much he wants sex from young women,” and “how he uses women sexually when they are in desperate situations such as a young student or a single mom,” according to a copy of the letter.
    "Oh shit."

    Yeah. I could stop there. But there's more.

    Two, there's a fourth name now involved, and truly a shocker: Harry Shearer, the voice actor of Rev. Lovejoy, Mr. Burns and Smithers, and...

    (checks notes)

    Sorry, that's Halsey Beshears, a former state House member with Gaetz. He was also the Florida Secretary of Something Business Something until, yep, the investigation started and he fled from his office, "due to health reasons", Jan 15th of this year. Hmm. I'm sure that's a coincidence.

    The subpoena obtained by Politico asks for communication the four had with each other, including planning for the trip and pictures taken during. Oh, right Beshears was on the Bahamas trip. I probably should have said that earlier. Also it's a lot less of a coincidence that four politicians working together all get called out, as opposed to three plus a famous animated voice actor who they've likely never met.

    One person is a lone wolf coincidence. Two people acting together? Could be a Bonnie and Clyde. Doesn't prove much. But when there's now four people involved, looking to me like Greenberg brought in Ellicott and Gaetz brought in Beshears, it's a lot less "a few bad apples" and more "compost heap".

    *ahem*

    But I said three things, didn't I?

    Let's go back to the dangling plot threads from earlier in this post. Based on the timeline, I'm 94.5612% confident that Greenberg turned in Ellicott.

    Who was one of his groomsmen.

    Call it what you will, "he had no choice if he wanted to save his own hide" or "level of betrayal usually reserved for Desperate Housewives" Greenberg ratted out his own wingman. The guy he rescued from living with his mother (oh right, Ellicott was living with his mother when Greenberg hired him) with a cushy govt job and had been close friends with for years, and quite possibly took on the Bahama child-fucking sex-trafficking vacation, and Greenberg sold him out to the cops.

    If Greenberg will do that to his own best buddy, what chance does Gaetz have?


    1 Politico also reports that Greenberg got hundreds of thousands of federal COVID relief funds for it. And yes, that's fraud. It's a smaller story that probably got missed, more information here. I know when I saw "wire fraud" on the charges I thought it was all Venmo-related overseas shit. I had no idea Greenberg would, in addition to bringing a child across borders for the explicit purpose of he and his friends taking turns raping her, would also steal money dedicated to helping those disadvantaged by the lethal outbreak his party helped make worse, especially in his own state of Fuck Florida.
    Fan-fucking-tastic. And if Greenberg is willing to turn in his groomsman after initially inviting him, the Feds were going whole hog on the full court press, then Gaetz is truly fucked.

    When a criminal investigation like this is initiated, the authorities initially go after what the warrants cover - records regarding the sex trafficking and child rape in this case. However, as Kenneth Starr can testify to, the investigation then leads to wherever it takes us, and in the case of Gaetz, I bet there are some interesting paths ahead.

    With Greenberg coughing up anything he can think of to save his own skin from 20+ years of solitary confinement in a federal penitentiary, because sex offenders get the tables turned on them so much there is literally a website devoted to how to survive in prison as a convicted sex offender, Gaetz's entire lifestyle (both public and private) are now under the microscope. And if Gaetz thought he could get away sex trafficking and child rape as a Member of Congress, I shudder to think what he tried to do before the public eye was on him.

  9. #729
    Was thinking the Joe Ellicott might have put timeline from last week way off by weeks/months. But.....

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/polit...end/index.html

    please fbi give us that updated mug shot this weekend!
    Last edited by beanman12345; 2021-05-21 at 10:59 PM.

  10. #730
    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Was thinking the Joe Ellicott might have put timeline from last week way off by weeks/months. But.....

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/polit...end/index.html

    please fbi give us that updated mug shot this weekend!
    I wonder how Gaetz is feeling as he follows the news.

  11. #731
    I'm reading all this shit and my brain is silently screaming "Why can't you people be fucking normal?"

    Like for fuckity fuck sake. You can be a complete pervert, have tons of fun doing pervy stuff with other people who are into pervy stuff...but you don't have to be a fucking creep in the process.

  12. #732
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I'm reading all this shit and my brain is silently screaming "Why can't you people be fucking normal?"

    Like for fuckity fuck sake. You can be a complete pervert, have tons of fun doing pervy stuff with other people who are into pervy stuff...but you don't have to be a fucking creep in the process.
    Sadly, I think being a disgusting creep is what actually drives these people in their careers. I think they want money and power specifically to make it easier to be creepy fucks.
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  13. #733
    Gen OT Politics is where @Bodakane and I get on just fine. Movie forums? Na.

    But yeah, these guys are fucking creeps. It's a power trip for them.

  14. #734
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Gen OT Politics is where @Bodakane and I get on just fine. Movie forums? Na.

    But yeah, these guys are fucking creeps. It's a power trip for them.
    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Don;t worry you can fix your movies opinions by not being wrong so much!
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  15. #735
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Don;t worry you can fix your movies opinions by not being wrong so much!
    Bah. I stand. That said, everyone's forgotten about that movie. Was a pretty standard bit of fare, which is why I didn't get the outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Well, where he is going, there will most definitely be no socializing for him. It would be quite dangerous. Oh, you said socialism. That will be there too, in the terms of a room and food provided, along with a nice orange suit.

  18. #738
    Matt Gaetz decides he's not content with just being mired in one scandal and decides it would be a good idea to Suggests Shooting People In Silicon Valley For ‘Cancel’ Culture and even Tells Fans to Carry Out ‘Armed Rebellion’ Against Government if Neccessary

  19. #739
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    Matt Gaetz decides he's not content with just being mired in one scandal and decides it would be a good idea to Suggests Shooting People In Silicon Valley For ‘Cancel’ Culture and even Tells Fans to Carry Out ‘Armed Rebellion’ Against Government if Neccessary
    God damn can Republicans stop out doing themselves in how fucking batshit insane they are. Matt Gaetz should be stripped of his committee positions for this insane crap. Telling people to shoot up corporate offices for enforcing their own T.O.S. for their platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    That might placate a bunch of scared boomer conservatives.

    I’m not so sure it’ll convince a judge and jury.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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