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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Should be interesting to see what kind of counter-protesting takes place.
    Gaetz seems to be in pretty hot water. Most of the Republican party seems to want to distance themselves from him.

    I'm starting to think Greene is less a grifter like the rest of them and more a genuine dangerously stupid human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Gaetz seems to be in pretty hot water. Most of the Republican party seems to want to distance themselves from him.

    I'm starting to think Greene is less a grifter like the rest of them and more a genuine dangerously stupid human being.
    We've known what Greene is for a while. She's monetized her crazy, but she's been a full blown nutter since long before she ever ran for office. Trump just made it possible for her to profit from her crazy. And she is, as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    We've known what Greene is for a while. She's monetized her crazy, but she's been a full blown nutter since long before she ever ran for office. Trump just made it possible for her to profit from her crazy. And she is, as much as possible.
    But if she's trying to play any sort of long game on the grift then allying herself with the "seems to be on the cusp of getting his ass thrown in jail" Gaetz probably isn't good for that.
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    Looks like the venues cancelled because of a flood of negative reactions from the community. Which is interesting, because Riverside is very conservative. So instead they held their rally on the sidewalk in front of City Hall:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-one...-greenes-rally

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Looks like the venues cancelled because of a flood of negative reactions from the community. Which is interesting, because Riverside is very conservative. So instead they held their rally on the sidewalk in front of City Hall:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-one...-greenes-rally
    I'd still wager that the majority of people willing to levy a reaction, especially in California, would be sharply against such an event happening, regardless of individual city political leanings. Plus these venues have to worry about hosting future events with what are likely to be Californian interests. A Gaetz-Greene event would be a pretty solid stain on their venue's history in the eyes of many prospective clients.

    And furthermore it's not Trump's rally, it's Greene and Gaetz, neither of whom are beloved darlings of the republican party and neither of whom even represent a district in California. The amount of paying interest they could pull beyond your average dumb yahoos is likely not very large in Riverside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Plus these venues have to worry about hosting future events with what are likely to be Californian interests. A Gaetz-Greene event would be a pretty solid stain on their venue's history in the eyes of many prospective clients.
    That does seem to be the case with the Anaheim venue, which was getting comments on its Yelp page like, “Great venue if you like businesses that work with those under investigation for molesting a child, or who promote executing public officials,” and “When you host Nazi sympathizers, fascists, child sex traffickers, insurrectionists (to name just a few), one star on Yelp is actually a compliment.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    That does seem to be the case with the Anaheim venue, which was getting comments on its Yelp page like, “Great venue if you like businesses that work with those under investigation for molesting a child, or who promote executing public officials,” and “When you host Nazi sympathizers, fascists, child sex traffickers, insurrectionists (to name just a few), one star on Yelp is actually a compliment.”
    Ahh the free market, working as intended.

    Republicans hate to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Ahh the free market, working as intended.

    Republicans hate to see it.
    It is funny how often they whine about the results of capitalism while pretending it's all the communists' fault.

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    rofl there was a large group of counter protesters who just chanting "Pedophile" at Gaetz when he was talking on the mic

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    https://twitter.com/waltermasterson/...26375487377408

    Relevant, the Gaetz/Greene rally seemed to attract some actually funny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://twitter.com/waltermasterson/...26375487377408

    Relevant, the Gaetz/Greene rally seemed to attract some actually funny people.
    The look on Gaetz's face as soon as that guy dropped the P-bomb was priceless. Too bad Gaetz had his hired goons take the gentleman away, I wanted to hear what else he was going to say. Sounds like Gaetz is a big proponent of cancel culture when somebody says something he doesn't like.
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    "I don't take responsibility at all."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Riverside is very conservative
    Not true, at least not since 2012, Obama, Clinton, & Biden all won Riverside county and CA-41 is represented by Mark Takano an openly gay Democrat. Like a lot of California there are still plenty of conservatives making up a large minority but "very conservative" is not an accurate representation.
    /s

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    Adorable. I’d like to hear him comment on his tour with Greene. Specifically the money aspect of it. Why? Oh, no single reason. More like 225,000 of them.

    At the height of the controversy surrounding Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) and the revelations that he’s under investigation for sex trafficking, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) bet big on a nationwide joint fundraising tour with her embattled colleague. But new campaign filings show that not only did the gamble not pay off, but that the much-maligned Republicans actually spent four times as much as they raised.

    Greene, the House GOP’s top fundraiser, is now faced with a decision: She can continue to join forces with her beleaguered ally at the expense of her campaign war chest, or she can cut bait and let Gaetz fend for himself.

    Since Gaetz and Greene kicked off their joint fundraising committee with a May 7 event at The Villages in central Florida, their campaigns and joint fundraising committee have posted a combined loss of $342,000. And according to recent filings with the Federal Election Commission, that joint fundraising effort, “Put America First,” reported only $59,345.54 in contributions.

    That sort of meager haul would be fine for a dinner or one-time event, but Gaetz and Greene have repeatedly held high-profile events and spent a whopping $287,036.19 to hold them—meaning they’re in the hole by more than $225,000.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ma...ly-a-cash-fire

    Getting cancelled by venues in SoCal may have been the best thing that could have happened. Those places ain’t cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Adorable. I’d like to hear him comment on his tour with Greene. Specifically the money aspect of it. Why? Oh, no single reason. More like 225,000 of them.

    Getting cancelled by venues in SoCal may have been the best thing that could have happened. Those places ain’t cheap.
    I realize that she's a lunatic and he's a complete dumbass...but I'm just baffled that even they couldn't figure out that joining forces would be a terrible idea. Even though we live in the worst timeline, I still don't think there's an alternate reality where two of the worst people in politics teaming up would be beneficial for either of them. But then again, I guess they had to do something, seeing as literally the only people who care that they exist are those who despise them.

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    Gaetz and Greene crash a prison.

    No, really.

    Republican Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Majorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) and Louie Gohmert (Texas) on Thursday were turned away from the D.C. Department of Corrections where they tried to visit accused Jan. 6 rioters.

    Video shows officers, who said the group was trespassing and “obstructing entrance into this facility,” denying the trio entry.

    “The supervisor came down and was standing right here and turned her back on me. The other one said she won’t talk anymore and that we’re trespassers,” Gohmert said in comments to the press after the situation.

    “We’re in totalitarian, Marxist territory here. This is the way third-world people get treated,” he added.
    What are they hiding?
    -- Gaetz, on the issue, in a tweet with a video

    A spokesperson for the D.C. Department of Corrections (DOC) told The Hill in a statement the trio showed up “unannounced with an unauthorized camera crew requesting a facility tour.”

    “By doing so, these officials compromised safety and security operations at the DOC. Safety and security related to DOC’s facilities, staff and residents is a high priority and for that reason DOC has established procedures and protocols related to visits to its facilities. All visitors, which includes family members of residents, attorneys, and public officials, must adhere to the rules and procedures of the DOC,” the statement added.
    Let's start with the obvious hypocrisy with "What are they hiding?" when they weren't able to enter a prison unannounced. Also, "What are they hiding?" is a well-known rephrasing of "we don't have any probable cause, but we want to imply there's a problem". You can't just swing by a prison and spur-of-the-moment visit prisoners, and I'm guessing that goes double for elected officials with security teams. Prisons don't do spontaneous. Prisons don't do surprises. They were told they were trespassing and told to leave, which in the mind of a conspiracy-theory suicide cultist, means there's something going on and "they don't want you to see it".

    And yet, they want every access to Trump blocked. Jan 6th committtee? I posit without looking that both voted against it, and won't lose a wink of sleep if I'm wrong.

    Hey Gaetz, you want to know what's going on inside a prison? Pay a child for sex. That'll get you in.

    But now let's move onto the real issue: Gaetz and Greene trying to drive up support for the murderous insurrectionists. They're siding with traitors who attacked...them.

    After failing to break into a prison, the pair then held a press conference claiming, without evidence, that the murderous insurrectionists were being treated unfairly. Now, if they truly felt that, they'd have gotten a warrant or made some other legal, proper attempt. Nope. They just wanted to be on camera being told "no, you can't stage a prison break" so they could frame that to Trump's rabid fanbase as "we want to help our fellow traitors to this country".

    A follow-up note to at least the Americans in the audience: do not crash a prison. That's a great way to get shot. Personal anecdote, but I happen to be pretty good friends with a max security federal prison guard (that's not his official title, but that's what he was) and while we haven't spoken on this specific issue which just happened, he's made it 150% clear that the most important thing to prison staff is a routine carved in stone. Two Congresspeople showing up with cameras is about as welcome as a balsalmic enema.

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    So they didn't feel the need to follow rules. The "rules for thee, not me" seems to be the prevailing thinking of the GQP.

    Gaetz will hopefully see the inside of a prison soon enough.

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    Little memo to Gaetz


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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    But now let's move onto the real issue: Gaetz and Greene trying to drive up support for the murderous insurrectionists. They're siding with traitors who attacked...them.
    I want to be clear; this qualifies as "giving aid or comfort thereto" under the law, and that means that if any of these insurrectionists get convicted of insurrection, stunts like this are all you need to convict Greene and Gaetz of the same crime.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

    It's really that simple. You tried to provide aid and support to this guy? Who was convicted of participating in an insurrection? That means you're part of the insurrection, too. You don't need anything else, legally speaking. Just the (hypothetical future) fact that there was an insurrection, legally, and that these two made any efforts to support those who participated at any point leading up to, during, or after the events in question. It doesn't matter if it was before that conviction came down and it was legally defined as "insurrection" yet.

    It would be the fastest case ever to try. You'd start in the morning and potentially be done by lunch. It's incredibly simple, and the only point of contest would be whether their actions amount to "aid or comfort thereto". Which is such a low legal bar.

    And sentencing doesn't even matter. Even if the issue is super light and the conviction's on a technicality and the judge decides no fine or jail term is required. The other necessary part of a conviction for this particular crime is that nice little phrase at the end; "and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States". That means immediate removal from their positions in Congress, at the point that the gavel lands. They can never run for federal office ever again. Their only real recourse is appealing this conviction, which again, is such a basic set of facts it'll be nearly impossible to appeal.

    For a lot of other Republicans, that case might be more problematic to establish. For Greene and Gaetz? It should be trivial at this point. You just need that first insurrection conviction, so the matter of an insurrection is a citable fact of precedent and not a claim that must be proven in their own trial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    this qualifies as "giving aid or comfort thereto" under the law
    They will claim they were just trying to find out "the truth". But I'd love to see them make that case under oath.

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