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  1. #1001
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    Yep, the thread moved.

    WaPo reports that Gaetz sought a Trump pardon for, yes, fucking children.

    Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump regarding an investigation in which he is a target
    "Whoa whoa whoa! We Trump supporters only believe random rumors if we like them! Otherwise it's Fake News, even if it's true! We choose not to believe protected sources because we can pretend they don't exist!"

    Um..

    "Wait, I'm moving the goalposts. Now it also has to be a Trump family member or close WH employee."

    Um...

    "Wait, I'm moving them further. Now it has to be under oath, even though Trump never does that."

    according to testimony given to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

    Johnny McEntee, according to people familiar with his testimony, told investigators that Gaetz told him during a brief meeting “that they are launching an investigation into him or that there’s an investigation into him,” without specifying who was investigating Gaetz.
    "God fucking dammit."

    McEntee added that Gaetz told him “he did not do anything wrong but they are trying to make his life hell, and you know, if the president could give him a pardon, that would be great.” Gaetz told McEntee that he had asked White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows for a pardon.

    Asked by investigators if Gaetz’s request for a pardon was in the context of the Justice Department investigation into whether Gaetz violated federal sex trafficking laws, McEntee replied, “I think that was the context, yes,” according to people familiar with the testimony who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

    The testimony is the first indication that Gaetz was specifically seeking a pardon for his own exposure related to the Justice Department inquiry into whether he violated sex trafficking laws. His public posture in the final months of the Trump administration was much less specific, repeatedly calling for broad preemptive pardons to fend off possible Democratic investigations.

    McEntee testified that Gaetz met him briefly one evening and discussed the issue of a pardon but McEntee could not recall whether their conversation happened before or after the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, according to people familiar with the testimony.
    So there we have it. A prominent member of the Party of Trump, and therefore Republicans, was fishing for a pardon because he had sex with a child. "I didn't do anything wrong but want a pardon anyhow" doesn't sound very credible to me.

  2. #1002
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Yep, the thread moved.
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    Could actually have updated this last month, but didn't think of it. The investigation is expanding.

    That day, if it comes, is likely still months off. Two attorneys said prosecutors will take extreme steps to avoid the appearance of interfering with the midterms, and expected any announcements involving Gaetz would likely come several weeks after the November election.
    The investigation into Gaetz himself is only one item in an expanding queue. The probe of Greenberg alone has uncovered so many layers of public corruption in Central Florida that investigators have had to peel them apart one by one: illicit real estate deals; embezzlement of federal COVID-19 paycheck assistance; a local Republican scheme to run “ghost” candidates; a public corruption plot involving a number of powerful state figures; and ultimately the sex trafficking investigation involving the congressman himself.
    The guy working the case has so much on his plate he's basically overwhelmed with criminal acts by the GOP.

    For a possible reason why the delay specifically for gaetz's crimes:

    In another signal of the investigation’s scope and progress, three sources told The Daily Beast that prosecutors turned their attention to Tallahassee this spring. According to the sources, this previously unreported action involved interviews with possible witnesses and subjects in connection to another spoke of the Gaetz case—an alleged public corruption scheme to influence marijuana policy, said to involve state officials.
    If you remember from earlier reporting, flying those underage girls to the bahamas to fuck people was part of the marijuana policy lobbying.
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    So Matt Gaetz joins Twitch in all of the irony that comes with that if you know about Twitch's resent problems with sexual misconduct.


    And who does he retweet? Who? A fellow conservative voice on the platform? No he tweets (probably a staffer) Hasan Piker, someone who couldn't be further left of him with a massive following.


    I thought the tweet was going to be taken down by now but apparently not


    https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/sta...tVQMoOFoA&s=19

    Of course the streamer had to reply.


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    Career prosecutors recommend no charges for Gaetz in sex-trafficking probe
    Career prosecutors have recommended against charging Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in a long-running sex-trafficking investigation — telling Justice Department superiors that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Senior department officials have not made a final decision on whether to charge Gaetz, but it is rare for such advice to be rejected, these people told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the deliberations. They added that it is always possible additional evidence emerges that could alter prosecutors’ understanding of the case.
    well crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    well crap
    That is disappointing. Oh, well, it's not like this story is going away. Hopefully the fact that he paid a child for sex is brought up in every debate and town hall he's ever in for the rest of his life.

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    So they're not going to press charges on Mat Gaetz for sex trafficking because one of the witnesses, a friend of Gaetz, is unreliable because they're a sex trafficker?

    Fuck this legal system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    So they're not going to press charges on Mat Gaetz for sex trafficking because one of the witnesses, a friend of Gaetz, is unreliable because they're a sex trafficker?
    I suspect without evidence that the issue is the victim refused to testify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    So they're not going to press charges on Mat Gaetz for sex trafficking because one of the witnesses, a friend of Gaetz, is unreliable because they're a sex trafficker?

    Fuck this legal system
    Specifically when they had other witnesses, and payment records linking him to the crime. And the senior legal expert over at CNN calling it prosecutorial malpractice dropping charges on Joel and giving him a sweetheart deal who they now claim is unreliable. This whole thing is rotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    So they're not going to press charges on Mat Gaetz for sex trafficking because one of the witnesses, a friend of Gaetz, is unreliable because they're a sex trafficker?

    Fuck this legal system
    You see, he's a rich, white guy with political influence, which means you need everything to be overly-confirmed to even think about prosecuting. If he were a poor black guy, you'd ignore the DNA evidence that clears him and convict him to a multi-decade sentence on the basis of one person's testimony. To paraphrase one conviction for rape that was recently vacated because of exactly that kind of prosecutorial misconduct.

    The white supremacy and corruption lies in both the low burdens of proof required to convict black suspects and the far higher bars applied to wealthy white men. Not just the former.


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    I've never seen a more punchable face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    So they're not going to press charges on Mat Gaetz for sex trafficking because one of the witnesses, a friend of Gaetz, is unreliable because they're a sex trafficker?

    Fuck this legal system
    I mean, maybe, and for all the reasons Endus laid out, but doesn't the whole article strike you as super sketch? For all we know the sources are Gaetz's roofi bros, and it says they haven't made a decision. Or maybe I'm still plagued by hope.
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    The question then becomes, why?

    Did he turn on someone bigger than him?

    Did they legitimately not have enough evidence? Which is doubtful at this point.

    Did they get themselves or their families threatened or bribed at which point it’s corruption?

    Why did they advise such a thing given what we already have on it?
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  14. #1014
    I don't know, I call bullshit on the whole thing. You don't give someone that has 40 some odd felonies against them a deal down to 10, if they have nothing. Especially when we know he asked for a pardon for this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anveena View Post
    Good. He did nothing wrong.
    Except fucked a 17 year old and trafficked her across state and country lines. But you don't mind the pedophilia, do you? His venmo even proves it.

  15. #1015
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    The question then becomes, why?

    Did he turn on someone bigger than him?

    Did they legitimately not have enough evidence? Which is doubtful at this point.

    Did they get themselves or their families threatened or bribed at which point it’s corruption?

    Why did they advise such a thing given what we already have on it?
    ' that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses'

    Basically they think the defense lawyers could convince a jury that the girl was a harlot who had turned 18 at the time and that Greenberg is an unreliable witness.

    'Greenberg’s credibility would be a significant challenge for any prosecution of Gaetz, in part because one of the crimes Greenberg admitted to was fabricating allegations against a schoolteacher who was running against him to be a tax collector. Greenberg had sent letters to the school falsely claiming the teacher had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a student — a similar allegation to the Gaetz case.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    ' that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses'

    Basically they think the defense lawyers could convince a jury that the girl was a harlot who had turned 18 at the time and that Greenberg is an unreliable witness.

    'Greenberg’s credibility would be a significant challenge for any prosecution of Gaetz, in part because one of the crimes Greenberg admitted to was fabricating allegations against a schoolteacher who was running against him to be a tax collector. Greenberg had sent letters to the school falsely claiming the teacher had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a student — a similar allegation to the Gaetz case.'
    I do hope if this is the case that it factors into Greenberg's sentencing. No point in giving him a sweetheart deal if they can't make use of the information he provided because he's too unreliable of a witness for a trial.

    Then again I imagine they have to have some like, actual records and hard evidence and shit and not just Greenberg's word.

  17. #1017
    Just an FYI, this dumbass that wrote this article, is an opinion writer, not an investigative journalist, he is the same dumbass that wrote an article stating that the FBI found no grand conspiracy during January 6th, 1 week before Seditious conspiracy charges started being filed.

    https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/s...68603596181505
    It specifically states that it is "people familiar with the matter", not prosecutors.

    This person on this twitter feed goes into great depth with other articles by the same person, using the same bullshit excuse.

    Hell, his conspiracy source was Johnathan fucking Turley.

    So, don't count everything completely out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anveena View Post
    Good. He did nothing wrong.
    Poster is now on record saying being a pedophile is ok. Yikes.
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  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by anveena View Post
    Good. He did nothing wrong.
    See, all this told us is you're okay with pedophiles, and that's not a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Just an FYI, this dumbass that wrote this article, is an opinion writer, not an investigative journalist, he is the same dumbass that wrote an article stating that the FBI found no grand conspiracy during January 6th, 1 week before Seditious conspiracy charges started being filed.

    https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/s...68603596181505
    It specifically states that it is "people familiar with the matter", not prosecutors.

    This person on this twitter feed goes into great depth with other articles by the same person, using the same bullshit excuse.

    Hell, his conspiracy source was Johnathan fucking Turley.

    So, don't count everything completely out.
    Glad to hear.
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