Why do Americans/British/French/other westerners care so much about Uyghurs

[alkyd]

but not at all about Palestinians?

Israel is America's top ally in the Middle East. America does not even recognize the existence of Palestine. Neither does any of the major European countries, except for Russia.

America supports the building of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. America supports the annexation of East Jerusalem. America supports Israel's building of walls across the West Bank that divide and promote segregation between jewish people and arab people. America does not support a 2-state solution, nor does it support a 1-state solution for building peace between Israel and Palestine. Instead, America supports a 1.5 state policy wherein Palestinians in the West Bank are living in conditions similar to Bantustans in Apartheid South Africa.

If America really cared about Muslims as much as it cares about Uyghurs, than it would encourage Israel to withdraw its soldiers and military occupation from the West Bank, and allow Palestinians to have an actual independent country instead of apartheid.

It's really funny how much American/Western propaganda demonizes China for its policies towards Uyghurs. China wants to assimilate Uyghur. Israel want to segregate Palestinians in the West Bank from Israel. China wants Uyghurs in. Israel wants Palestinians out. Segregation is always worse than "forced assimilation". There are literally armed Uyghur police with military rifles stationed all over Xinjiang policing cities. How many Arabs serve in israeli checkpoints in the West Bank? China clearly has no problem arming Uyghurs, unlike Israel arming Arabs.

Its always so funny to see American propaganda about Uyghurs and Chinese government. The most evil and heinous crime I heard that America accuses China of is organ-harvesting Uyghurs, which is repeated as fact by Westerners, like sheep. The source for these "allegations" is one Falun-Gong affiliated organization in 2019 - the China Tribunal.

This is really funny because just ten years ago, in 2009, one of the largest newspapers in Sweden, Aftonbladet, published a report that revealed testimony of Israeli soldiers harvesting organs from dead Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_A...el_controversy

Immediately, the American government pressured the Swedish government to censor the paper. The US government condemned the article as baseless and incendiary, noted the history of antisemitism and blood libels against Jews and asked the Swedish government to denounce the article.

Strangely, no such defense for China over the 2019 allegations of organ harvesting came from the West.

Look at the Wikipedia articles on uyghurs, and you will see the wikipedia articles treat uyghur organ harvesting as proven fact.

Recently, BBC and other Western media made claims of China supressing Uyghur diaspora in the West by targeting their families. It's really funny to see Americans accuse China of this, because former president of America, Donald Trump, before he was elected in 2016, said in 2015 that he would target and kill the families of terrorists in order to win against ISIS,

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/polit...rists-families

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-do-just-that/

The top American ally in the middle east, Israel, regularly targets families of accused Palestinian terrorists through house demolitions and bombings. Westerners don't give a shit though.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ears-1.6614154

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-tr...shnerb-report/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...inian_property

[Forogil]

Don't stereotype - not all of us care!

[s_bushido]

People don't care about the Uyghurs because they're Muslims, people care because generally they have a poor opinion of genocide...

You don't like that it's generally acceptable to demonize China while handwaving away the actions of Israel? Good. Join the crowd. Just make sure you're not tripping all over yourself in your haste to handwave away the actions of China while you're at it. That might be embarrassing.

[Wermys]

Why can't we care about both?

[tehealadin]

I thought it was fairly simple- the US has a hardon for Israel, and most western powers are in thrall to the US so have to bite their tongues (to say western countries don't have a problem with it isn't true, they just aren't willing to pay the price for voicing them) with regards to Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. There is also the weaponisation of identity (I won't lie, I do giggle a little when seeing people who are happy to use this tactic when it suits them fall foul of it, I don't agree with it, but can't help but giggle just a little, I always hope they might see the problem in weaponising identity, but they never do) by some pro Israeli groups who liken any criticism of policy with antisemitism. So it threatens a social cost too.

China is also a global power, Israel isn't, and the US and its allies are far more concerned with growing Chinese global influence than they are with Israel. None of this makes it ok what is going on in China. The whataboutary by China apologists to deflect legitimate criticism is blatant and hollow. Though there is a kernel of truth in it, in that when you base your standards on who is committing the crime as opposed to the crime itself, you lose any moral authority in criticising the "bad team" when they do it while remaining silent when "your team" does it. Though this isn't a uniquely western sin, China apologists do it themselves. Brutal Israeli policy doesn't make Chinese policy right. Both can be brutal. And yes, when someone criticises China policy in this area and your retort it "what about Israel?", you are playing the same game.

[Easo]

Why shouldn't we care? I am not a "westerner", but still, why shouldn't we? We are human, we dislike human suffering nor do we like allowing China do whatever they please. Almost as if you think for China this would end with just Uyghurs. Have you forgotten about Tibet? Deletion of their culture came way before this. I wonder who will be next?
Also, OP, you could at least try to hide the blatant whataboutism. One bad thing does not fucking exclude the other, how many times does this has to be repeated?

[Cinnamilk]

Nice whataboutism.

It's still possible to care about Palestinians and Uyghurs at the same time. US politics isn't monolithic either, there's plenty of voices that speak out about some of the atocities the State of Israel carries out against Palestinians. They won't be captured and silenced by the state for stating that, either.

I have an appreciation for Chinese culture and their people, but the human rights violations that the state of China commits are inexcusable, just as the ones committed by any state, Israel and US included.

[Mihalik]

I'm confused? Is this a tankie post or a Chinese propaganda post? Or is it both?

Look, as fucking fucked up what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians, and I have ranted plenty about that, they haven't quite stooped to the level of death camps, mass rapes and organ removals. I'd argue that's not because of the kindness of their hearts, but rather due to international pressure and scrutiny.

Also as others have pointed out, it's possible to care about both and about neither (yes, we have assholes like that). I care about both.

So GFTO and STFU with your whataboutism and genocide apologetics.

[Easo]

The Baltic states are western countries.

Ahh, thanks, but that's a bit far fetched for now, don't you think? I would argue that, say, Czech Republic, might be, but that would be it at most. There is a lot to do still.

[downnola]

If I wanted to read Max Blumenthal downplay genocide and make excuses for human rights violations under the guise of "muh U.S. imperialism" I'd just go to the source. Come up with some original material for once.

[tehdang]

The forced sterilization, systematic rape, and mass imprisonment tend to be worse than even Palestinian zealots allege about Israelis.

The Palestinians have also rejected assistance, including in mutual security negotiations, precipitating the most recent lack of vaccine doses. Their leadership refuses to talk to Israel, thus is unable to ask for vaccine aid, so shrug. If your hatred of Israelis, and denial of the state of Israel to exist there, is the most constant value of leadership, then I expect all kinds of corruption and poverty to follow.

China wants to assimilate Uyghur. Israel want to segregate Palestinians in the West Bank from Israel. China wants Uyghurs in. Israel wants Palestinians out. Segregation is always worse than "forced assimilation".

Holy shit this is in Paid Xi Shill territory. I mean sure, they’re imprisoned in work and indoctrination camps, raped, beaten, and sterilized, but in no way are those walled compounds segregation, and that’s Israel’s far worse crime!

Like fuck, this is seriously messed up. And I’ve seen all kinds of blood libel, Israelis drinking the blood of Palestinian children, kind of messed up things by hardcore Palestinian activists.

[PC2]

We can't trust Israeli religious settlers with Palestinians anymore than we can trust the CCP with the Uygurs. However Israel in general is much more liberal and democratic than China even though religion has some conflict with democracy. Israel has more free speech and tolerance for self-criticism than China which means they can course correct over time, where as in China the will of the CCP is absolute. Many Israelis themselves don't like their policies and the actions of hardcore Zionists where as average Chinese people are brainwashed into agreeing with the actions of the government. The social dynamics are simply different.

There's a small comparison to be made here but it's not a very good comparison.

[Milchshake]

Interesting that this is what an account that hasn't posted since 2018 comes back with.

I guess I'm unable to care about more than one thing at a time. What a shame.

That's a reoccurring thing. These inactive accounts coming back to life on politics.

Who's more likely to stash sock puppet accounts?

• A basic troll that knows they will need to avoid infractions in the future?
• A state operative from related government?
• A tankie for hire, Grayzone employee shilling for bux?

I wanted what the activity threshold is for a gaming forum to warrant such attention?

It's almost as weird as the Amazon worker AstroTurf accounts, "ackshuly, I like peeing in a bootl!"

[Edge-]

It's almost as weird as the Amazon worker AstroTurf accounts, "ackshuly, I like peeing in a bootl!"

"We're sorry for calling you a liar, Congressman. Yes, some of our drivers do actually pee in bottles. Oops."

As if the issue was that they lied to a member of Congress on social media...not that their drivers are peeing in fuckin bottles because they're too afraid to stop to use the restroom.

The Chinese genocide of the Uyghur people is bad.
What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is bad.

This isn't a fantastically complex topic, even if governments need to take different positions for geopolitical reasons.

It's always impressive to me when people stan the fuckin CCP.

[Stelio Kontos]

You can always tell the CCP apologists by their one favorite tactic; rampant whataboutisms.

[Azadina]

Why do Americans, British and French deserve to be mentioned specifically, while other western countries are lumped as some nameless mass? You got problems remembering any apart from the 3 mentioned? Or if the rest aren't worthy of mention, then why add them to this whatabout blamefest?

[Xeones]

but not at all about Palestinians?

Israel is America's top ally in the Middle East. America does not even recognize the existence of Palestine. Neither does any of the major European countries, except for Russia.

America supports the building of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. America supports the annexation of East Jerusalem. America supports Israel's building of walls across the West Bank that divide and promote segregation between jewish people and arab people. America does not support a 2-state solution, nor does it support a 1-state solution for building peace between Israel and Palestine. Instead, America supports a 1.5 state policy wherein Palestinians in the West Bank are living in conditions similar to Bantustans in Apartheid South Africa.

The best you could say is Republicans support it, not America. Makes this thread a shit post, because a number of democratic politicians have been fairly outspoken against Israels illegal actions.

[Rasulis]

Israel is America's top ally in the Middle East. America does not even recognize the existence of Palestine. Neither does any of the major European countries, except for Russia.

You already answered your own question. Israel is not trying to start a war with another nuclear power nation (India). Israel is not trying to claim one of the most important shipping lane (South China Sea) in the world. Israel is not trying to take over the world's largest source of semiconductors (Taiwan). Basically, Israel is not trying to take over the world.

[Calfredd]

Honestly, I think it's as simple as an unused account being hacked and then used as shills for whatever government got hold of it.

Not so much government but in other cases, the account was given away to explain the nonsense old accounts start posting.

[downnola]

Honestly, I think it's as simple as an unused account being hacked and then used as shills for whatever government got hold of it.

If you dig far enough into their post history you usually find that they posted in other threads with similar themes. OP spent a lot of time in the flight 17 thread saying "you just can't trust that darn 'western media'."

You find a whole lot of similar shenanigans in the Syria and Ukraine threads.