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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Snufflupagus View Post
    Arbitrage, baby.
    Ye, no. Arbitrage expects two different markets and the transactions to be instantaneous (or as instantaneous as possible). What scalpers are doing is removing all the supply from a market and then returning it to the same market at increased price. Nice try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viikkis View Post
    Not entirely. I know people who managed to get 3080s for the MSRP in Finland.
    I wouldn't call it easily though. You did have to scan the shops and be there as soon as new stock appeared. Stuff was usually gone within couple of hours.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by h4rr0d View Post
    I wouldn't call it easily though. You did have to scan the shops and be there as soon as new stock appeared. Stuff was usually gone within couple of hours.
    Here you could place an order even if there was no stock. So you could pay the MSRP for the card then wait couple months/weeks depending on your place in the queue and get your card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufflupagus View Post
    Arbitrage, baby.
    If you say so
    Glad you agree bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viikkis View Post
    Here you could place an order even if there was no stock. So you could pay the MSRP for the card then wait couple months/weeks depending on your place in the queue and get your card.
    The EVGA ftw3 ultra 3080 internet queue has moved 9 min into the first day of the September launch of 2020 so even if someone has locked MSRP in reality they are losing money at the moment since they have locked their money into a pre-order for something they won't get for a year +.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h4rr0d View Post
    They aren't just scumbags, they are literal waste of space on this planet and can all go diaf for all I care.

    They are taking products from retailers, who are well equipped and prepared for dealing with end users and are selling the products in places that are less convenient to use for more money while making the product take longer to reach the end user. What is their added value to the transaction?
    HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

    I was at one of the biggest UK retailers for RTX 3080 launch. They had 20 avaliable cards for public sale at their shop. Rest were for their pre-built systems and online. I was number 10 in the queue and got one, but there were at least 50 people outside the shop at 1am, when they went on sale at 2am. I got lucky coz I decided to go earlier to get some other parts,a dn happened to enquire about when they went on actual sale and how many they had, and was offered a ticket tyo come back at 2pm and skip the line.

    Proof:

    Edit: https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/comput...14425-pdt.html

    Holy fuck, £1000.

    I've been gaming and mining on mines. What does that make me?
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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommi View Post
    I've been gaming and mining on mines. What does that make me?
    In first world countries with a normal electricity price you are someone who runs the PC 12hours a day to earn maybe 50€ / month, so grats.

    This does not include the shortened lifespan of your GPU by just electromigration. And lets not talk about the GDDR6X high temps for mining even with just 200W GPU ussage, nobody got any idea how the lifespanw of AMPERE looks like at mining, because nobody was stupid enough (yet) to run VRAM that hot over extended time.

    Good luck, tell us in 2 years if your current GPU lasted till next gen or not.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    In first world countries with a normal electricity price you are someone who runs the PC 12hours a day to earn maybe 50€ / month, so grats.
    kind of wrong, with crypto you mine an investment not just currency, many cryptos doubled and in some cases quadrupled in the past 3-4 months so that $50 in cryptocurrency 3-4 months ago would be $100-$200 today which isn't that bad all considered.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Tic Tacs View Post
    kind of wrong, with crypto you mine an investment not just currency, many cryptos doubled and in some cases quadrupled in the past 3-4 months so that $50 in cryptocurrency 3-4 months ago would be $100-$200 today which isn't that bad all considered.
    but is that theoretical value or actual value? i don't see that many places that let me pay in cryptocurrencies, and when it is offered it's usually just bitcoin. or is it just a grey/black/criminal market thing?

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    but is that theoretical value or actual value? i don't see that many places that let me pay in cryptocurrencies, and when it is offered it's usually just bitcoin. or is it just a grey/black/criminal market thing?
    5here are lots of places that will allow you to exchange crypto for “real” currency. So it’s a 2 step process - cash out X value in crypto, then use the cash to purchase.

  9. #49
    Mostly it's simply not viable at home unless you can get discount electricity or have it dirt cheap.

    I did my calculations and I'd be in the green, but with what I'd earn - it would not be worth my time even if theoretically it would let's say double or even triple the value in future.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Mostly it's simply not viable at home unless you can get discount electricity or have it dirt cheap.

    I did my calculations and I'd be in the green, but with what I'd earn - it would not be worth my time even if theoretically it would let's say double or even triple the value in future.
    Here in Canada I would make... some money, since electricity is dirt cheap in my province. I got a 3070 so it really wouldn't be much, I earn enough for my needs anyway, and I'm not about to potentially risk the integrity of what might as well be my gold bar of a GPU for like 30 CND/month after expenses.


    And the shortage is obviously going to last a while. Components for cars are in short supply, so you can bet graphics cards will not be a priority anytime soon at the silicon fabs. It sucks, but totally understandable considering a GPU is very much a luxury good.
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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    And the shortage is obviously going to last a while. Components for cars are in short supply, so you can bet graphics cards will not be a priority anytime soon at the silicon fabs. It sucks, but totally understandable considering a GPU is very much a luxury good.
    What TSMC said is that this will last for YEARS - YEARS, but it is not caused by the simply higher demand for GPUs or other parts.

    Some major OEMs simply overreacted with COVID and restocked a lot of components that are simply rare all the time. This caused a ripple effect not only in the semiconductors but also at the suppliers for them. The allready delicate supplier chain got distrupted and it will take simply years to recover.

    The issue with GPUs is basicly that the luxury good for a small niche - gaming and a bit mining - got into mainstream entertainment with the high demand for PCs with WFH and the general need for more home entertainment with the previous, current and clearly allready planed lockdowns in the future.

    Even without any part shortages for the semiconductors, we would have seen a market with more demand, but now we have shortage + higher demand for a good that was never targeted for the current demanded volumes.

    The most postive GPU forecast is for Q1 / 2022, at that point we MIGHT see some GPU variants at (LOW) stock and the pre-orders should have catched up by then. Thats the positive forecast, some unwanted / AIB GPUs MIGHT pop up at stock and this might not be the case with TSMC (AMD) products since they dont even see a change for the next 1-2 years.
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  12. #52
    Anyone see any bench marks on how the Intel i5 11600k / 11500's IGPU handles WOW at 1080p?

  13. #53
    I hope its all down to covid and the mining and scalping thing really aint the major reason, but Im afraid it aint the case.


    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaShift View Post
    Anyone see any bench marks on how the Intel i5 11600k / 11500's IGPU handles WOW at 1080p?
    Only know of his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H1B7ibjJZg


    Else...well, its a legit answer buy an M1 mac.
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  14. #54
    I'm lucky I snagged a 5700 XT a few months before all this bs started.

    That will last me until GPU prices stabilize and I can get a RTX 3000 card.

  15. #55
    At this rate might as well wait for 4000.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    At this rate might as well wait for 4000.
    Yeah, I am on the same boat. If I have to wait another year to get an upgrade, i can just wait for the following one. Granted prices are not stupidly high and there's availability.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

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