I was really hoping for things to be a bit more... sane this time around but nope, retailers here have 3080 ti's in stock for 2200 Eur. So if thats anything to go by, the 3070 Ti will be around 1100 Euros... thats just...
The main issue is concentrated production really, for the past decades many neoliberal countries (not always carrying the name mind you) have actively refused to think strategically in the name of "respecting the free market", thus leading to such wonderful bottlenecks and the like (Taiwan in example is facing a shortage of _water_ in its rather formidable chip production processes, and its energy usage is already absurd and only getting worse thanks to the fact the new generation lithographic machines consumes 20 times more energy).
The most hilarious part though is that the past few years local producers of lithographic machines, which happen to be the uncontested best in the world, have been bothered to no end by Dutch, European, American and various Asian governments over this shit, so now the red tape is putting an even bigger dampener of potential production growth.
So yeah, strategic incompetence on the parts of governments, market forces and the "demos" (people) backing them is an underappreciated aspect of this occurence.
That said why do people care about this here? My throwable laptop of €250 can run it, admittedly not pretty but to pay just that for a low end graphics card seems absurd in WoW's context.
Last edited by loras; 2021-06-04 at 05:45 PM.
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
Probably because most people might stay subbed continously to WoW but don't actually play it all the time. I for one really enjoyed Castle Nathria but 3 months is the sweet spot of running the same raid for me. After that it's mainly running M+ with friends which is fun, but also not all the time.
So it's on to other games in the lull before new content and to enjoy Cyberpunk we need new hardware.
1) Load the amount of weight I would deadlift onto the bench
2) Unrack
3) Crank out 15 reps
4) Be ashamed of constantly skipping leg day
Ya, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it's near impossible to get 3070 and 3080 going forward, since they can essentially use 99% of the same parts for the TI models and sell them at the jacked up TI prices.
Not to mention, prices going forward in the next generation of cards will be a shit show, since they know they can get it now with crypto being crazy now days and 4k gaming finally attainable.
It's sad.
- - - Updated - - -
It's exactly the same thing as 3070, but 5-10% better, just like the 3080ti is to the 3080.
Right as you mentioned, at least here in EU asus is selling the 3080ti at 1899 for the TUF and 1999 for the Strix. Prices are just all over the place.
As always though, it's people willing to pay these stupid prices enabling them to do so. FE msrp is more or less in line with other generations, excluding the 3080ti which got a bump up.
Non ti fidar di me se il cuor ti manca.
I mean the ti is just a cash grab. I could argue a few ti of the skews in the past were solid power user options to folks that money was no object but this one is a very, very, very, calculated cash grab.
3080TI omits the only reason someone would get a 3090 though, the massive VRAM. 3090 was and remains an awful value card for gaming as it's barely any better than a 3080 for gaming but at more than twice the price. But the 3090 is still good for certain content creation work due to that large VRAM.
3080TI is shit value for both gaming AND content creation as it has barely any more VRAM than 3080 and is barely any faster for gaming.
With FlightSim and Simracing in 4k-VR the 3090 is my only real option - using a 10900k + 3090 + reverb G2 (4k headset).
MID/HIGH 4k settings barrely get me over 45fps for 90Hz (motion reprojection) to have a clear picture with a smooth VR experience.
Lowering the resolution, using other low-HQ headsets or lowering the renderscale are making VR to a gimmick, since you can't read instruments anymore or in Simracing you wont see your breaking points clear enough - compared to a normal screen setup.
MSFS uses in 4k 15-17GB VRAM after a while, the 3080 wont meet the min FPS for 4k-VR, nor does it meet the normal VRAM demands in 4k gaming.
Of course the 3090 is a stupid choice for CS:GO / shooters that run on APUs/iGPUs allready in playable framerates, but its not like there isnt a 3090 use-case to take advantage of the performance and VRAM with the 3090 in gaming.
And with Simracing / Flightsim gaming it's usually not really a budget consideration anymore, since the gear you are using is a multiple of what a 3090 does cost.
Last edited by Ange; 2021-06-06 at 10:38 AM.
-
Cryptocurrency was a mistake. At best it's a speculative and highly volatile security and at worst it's a tool for money laundering.
Why do I say this? Because it's crypto mining that has largely been driving up GPU scalping.
Of course not, but you have to realize just how incredibly niche your situation is.. And that it also doesn't disprove what he's saying, that the only saving grace the 3090 has over the 3080/ti being the amount of VRAM it has. It's just much, much more common to find content creation work that needs more than 10/12gb of VRAM rather than gaming work loads.
Also the reason MSFS uses that much VRAM is that it's horribly optimized and (probably?) has a memory leak
- - - Updated - - -
No it isn't, stop spreading misinformation. It's that there just isn't enough silicon production in the world right now. Literally all silicon fabs are running at 100%, and have for A LITERAL YEAR, and it's still not enough.
If it was just Crypto, you'd be able to buy consoles, CPUs, and hell, car manufacturers wouldn't be running out of chips either.
So it's exactly like the stock market then? Also, money laundering happens with normal fiat anyways. Crypto can actually make it harder becuase of the public ledger. All transactions are public, anyone can check them. Normal fiat cash is actually better for money laundering than crypto becuase its untracable. Once you know an etherium/bitycoin address, you can see EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION THEY HAVE DONE OR RECIEVED. Can you say the same for cash?
Just more uninformed myths.
Looks like my local shop got a truckload of 3060s and not enough buyers for their earlier €1000+ prices.
I have a bequiet Dark Power Pro 550W psu so most of the cards available are off it seems. Only GF Eagle, Vision and Gaming are recommended 550W. Vision and Gaming have 3 fans and should be more quiet than Eagle? Both are 1837MHz. Any reason to choose Gaming over Vision, comparison chart at Gigabyte website shows the very same details for both, i can't figure out a difference.
ASUS TUF-RTX3060-O12G-GAMING 749,00 EUR
ASUS DUAL-RTX3060-O12G - OC Edition 849,00 EUR
Gigabyte RTX3060 Gaming OC 699,00 EUR
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 EAGLE 12G 699,00 EUR
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 VISION OC 12G 729,00 EUR
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 GAMING OC 12G 749,00 EUR
Gigabyte AORUS GeForce RTX 3060 ELITE 799,00 EUR
ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3060 AMP - White Edition 699,00 EUR
Honestly there aren't really any reason to buy expensive versions of mid-tier cards, just get the cheapest one
Overall seems the prices are slowly going down - veeery slowly. Still not worth buying anything, especially TIs. By the time prices are back to normal NVidia will launch the next serie of cards and the cycle will begin anew, but i think we will see baseline prices just pumped up 2000-serie style.
Non ti fidar di me se il cuor ti manca.