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    Is anyone even using Momentum?

    Because I never see anyone running it!
    I remember leveling a DH back in Legion and having an absolute blast playing with this talent. It just added that little bit of finesse that the rotation so direly needs.

    Some things have changed since then so I'm wondering. Is it still a fun option and a viable alternative or strictly worse than the other options?

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    The first and only real question you should be asking about talents, realisticly, is this:

    Are you having fun with it?

    If yes, then go for it.

    There are some qualifiers to certain talents being situational based, such as a boss being single target focus, or add focus, but those are what we call variables.

    Basicly, play to have fun, and not for the whole "100% meta or kick and suggested to uninstall the game" type mentality that is just fun-sucking. Dementors of Fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinata View Post
    The first and only real question you should be asking about talents, realisticly, is this:

    Are you having fun with it?

    If yes, then go for it.

    There are some qualifiers to certain talents being situational based, such as a boss being single target focus, or add focus, but those are what we call variables.

    Basicly, play to have fun, and not for the whole "100% meta or kick and suggested to uninstall the game" type mentality that is just fun-sucking. Dementors of Fun.
    While I totally agree, I also understand that drive to optimize. For some people knowingly taking the worse option dampens their enjoyment. That's still playing for fun but with other criteria.

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    Dunno how it is now, but back in legion lots of people used it because someone said its optimal...... if you do it perfectly, but thats unlikely. I was the first one in my mythic raiding guild to switch away from it. Why? Its liability. You cannot be moving in many pve situations. Even if you can move, you are wasting your movement ability to do dps so suddenly the spec, that should be fast, isn't.

    This has not changed. Changing of numbers does not help. Its a mechanical problem.


    At least this for pve. Dunno about pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morae View Post
    Dunno how it is now, but back in legion lots of people used it because someone said its optimal...... if you do it perfectly, but thats unlikely. I was the first one in my mythic raiding guild to switch away from it. Why? Its liability. You cannot be moving in many pve situations. Even if you can move, you are wasting your movement ability to do dps so suddenly the spec, that should be fast, isn't.

    This has not changed. Changing of numbers does not help. Its a mechanical problem.


    At least this for pve. Dunno about pvp.
    I mean how does it make you more of liability than others when a lot of other classes don't have much movement anyway? Much less you can keep a charge banked if you really wanted to. Is using it only on retreat into dash a dps loss?

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    All the guides indicate that Momentum is still very much viable, but it's tough to use well and the alternative choice, Demonic, is very competitive and simpler to use. This makes Momentum high risk with low reward, which generally leads to low pick rates, as the risk of messing it up isn't worth the added complexity. If you like it, then it is a very solid pick as long as you manage it right.
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  7. #7
    It's viable, but it's harder to play for very little reward

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    i use it on every key because it makes me focus more on cds so i think less about how shit havoc is and how i should just put some ilvl on that damn rogue.
    i've never used it until this expansion and it's pretty entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unlockedz View Post
    i use it on every key because it makes me focus more on cds so i think less about how shit havoc is and how i should just put some ilvl on that damn rogue.
    i've never used it until this expansion and it's pretty entertaining.
    Is havoc that bad? My dh is still only like 8-10 range and I feel like I'm doing well. Hell I ran into this "carry" group the queued into my 7 a couple of weeks ago and I demolished their dps and then they wanted to do my 9 I got and the healer was all like "I accept all types of payment" after the others left and I linked the damage meters showing I was still above their dps. Could have been just a bad group thinking they were a carry group(mind you it was never stated it's just from their actions during etc), but I've felt fine about havoc.

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    in my opinion havoc is decent BUT mage/priest/boomie/fury/unholy/hunter/ww monk/rogue/ele sham are better. depending on the dungeon we get spanked by 20%+ by some classes, equal with some classes on other dungeons and behind 5-10% anyway against other classes. results may vary but average on logs is around there.
    this doesn't even matter unless you go into high m+ where a pride dying in time is necessary. you can comfortably do +20 with pugs maybe even higher but i'm not there yet.
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    no,it is a stupid talent...blizzard havent imagination...devs are cheapest and 0 studies.....0 brain,you look talents tree....is so sad....for a hero class...no dark magic,no speed atack,1 dps spec for a hero class that must use glaives,dark/fell magic and bows ranged magic damage...devs havent imagination,i think that blizzard kicked all devs,and actually they havent them,because this is inexplicable how a hero class is so poor and sad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capultro View Post
    no,it is a stupid talent...blizzard havent imagination...devs are cheapest and 0 studies.....0 brain,you look talents tree....is so sad....for a hero class...no dark magic,no speed atack,1 dps spec for a hero class that must use glaives,dark/fell magic and bows ranged magic damage...devs havent imagination,i think that blizzard kicked all devs,and actually they havent them,because this is inexplicable how a hero class is so poor and sad...
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