Jordan Peterson: Parody or Facsimile of Red Skull?

[Machismo]

its actually a long standing thing, that artist's only actually have the freedom to be political if there also actually good at there medium, its why Banksy can make art like this: "usaartnews.com/wp-content/uploads/banksy-wallpaper-768x6522x".jpg"
and is cheered, but when one of the copy paste actor socialite's in Hollywood makes the same statement they get roundly panned.

a good artist illustrates a message.

a bad artist makes a message with illustration.

Yes, women love the idea of being property in order to assuage the violent impulses of dudes who cannot get laid.

[s_bushido]

meh its written by Ta-Nehisi, that dude has enough of his own terrible hot takes to fill a thread

I wonder which piece of disinformati-

you cant write a book in which you say you were happy about those who died in 9/11 and then expect to hold the moral high ground in shit flinging matches like this.

Ah...that one.

During a Q and A period following his remarks, a cadet asked about a passage in Coates’ book “Between the World and Me.” The cadet asked Coates to clarify the quote: “I could see no difference between the officer who killed Prince Jones and the police who died or the firefighters who died, they were not human to me, black, white, whatever, they were menaces of nature.”

Coates explained that Prince Jones was a friend he met at Howard University who, in 2000, was followed and was shot and killed by a police officer. Coates explained how angry it made him that following the death of his friend, the state of Virginia investigated Prince but did not charge or investigate the officer, even though his police department had numerous cases against it.

“You have to understand what that does to you, how that makes you feel about your country and your relationship to your country, because the police are the representatives of your country,” he said. “We need police to have a law abiding society, but when there’s absolutely no accountability… I had no sympathy for anybody at that point because I felt so strongly that the country had no sympathy for my friend Prince Jones who is dead in the ground.”

He continued.

“Time passes and you grow, you get a little wiser, you understand your anger is not good for anybody,” he said. “So I don’t feel that same way today, I definitely don’t, but Between the World and Me is a work of literature and its job is to, more than anything, to capture the feeling, and I felt that way at that time, I was cold, I was absolutely cold, and I think any other human being exchanging places in that situation might have felt the same way.”

The audience applauded his response.

http://www.pointerview.com/2017/04/2...gerle-lecture/

Next time, do yourself a favor and look for the truth before blindly believing whichever propagandist informed your opinion of the man. Convenient that the bolded part is all those pieces of shit ever bother to repeat. As if there's nothing else to that story.

[Cwn Annwn]

I wonder which piece of disinformati-



Ah...that one.


Next time, do yourself a favor and look for the truth before blindly believing whichever propagandist informed your opinion of the man. Convenient that the bolded part is all those pieces of shit ever bother to repeat. As if there's nothing else to that story.

if you don't know what's wrong with saying "they were not human to me, black, white, whatever, they were menaces of nature" and don't see how close that parallels with Nazism then I would hope your being wilfully ignorant because of the specific target and wishing to defend the commenter, and not actually ignorant of what dehumanisation is and where it leads, dehumanisation is dehumanisation no matter what or how you justify it.

and its not misinformation, that's his exact quote, so its my opinion of the quote, and from what i see, the majority opinion on that quote by Ta-Nehisi, and to me is no more or less abhorrent than Liam Neeson's admission.

[Cwn Annwn]

I wonder which piece of disinformati-



Ah...that one.


Next time, do yourself a favor and look for the truth before blindly believing whichever propagandist informed your opinion of the man. Convenient that the bolded part is all those pieces of shit ever bother to repeat. As if there's nothing else to that story.

its not misinformation if its his exact quote, its my opinion on the quote.

dehumanisation is dehumanisation, no matter how you excuse it, its abhorrent.

[downnola]

What exactly are some of the fascist points Peterson argues for?
Are we talking about actual fascism here or just the expanded use of the word? (eg. cultural conservatism)
Because if we've to go by the latter and expanded use of the word then 90% of planet Earth constitutes fascism, from Chinese to Middle-Eastern to South-American culture.

Editing my post because I just noticed something: Why would you cut out the part of my post that gives an example of his flirtation with fascism and then ask me what the fascist points are? Bizzare.

His ravings about cultural marxism and his constant demonization of "radical, leftist, feminist neo-Marxists" as a boogeyman that is after the souls of Western young men is textbook fascist propaganda. The mildly fascist things he says are right on the brink of fascist thought, but he leaves himself enough wiggle room to simply flirt with their ideas and pull back when pushed on them. Forced monogamy was already mentioned but what about the time he argued that women joining the workforce instead of staying home and raising a family is responsible for unemployed and socially frustrated men? Oh, that's right, he never actually comes out and plainly says these things. He implies them and then claims he's not actually arguing that these things are the case when pushed back on the logical conclusion of his statements. The guy who insists that people be clear in their speech never means what he says.

Or how about the time he tried to argue that Hitler was really just a product of the German mob and it was them who led him down the path of genocide and war? It might not be explicitly fascist to say these things but it's certainly making nonsense of historical fact and revising history to suit his own needs while also being an apologist for literal fascism.

Don't worry though, he's just investigating his "shadow."

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, the current generation of progressive comic writers are creatively bankrupt hacks and nothing more than activists. They wonder why their stuff doesn't sell on the same level as traditional comic book series writers like Sean Murphy, it's because he shuts up and creates comics that people want to read without interjecting his own personal bias and opinions in the story. Progressive activism is killing off entertainment at a staggering rate. The terrible reception from long time fans of once beloved franchises is being met with scorn and ridicule and the corpos just keep hiring these same hack writers while they look any financial profitability in the rear view window.

Ya this isn’t based on reality like at all. Marval regularly out sells DC and Sean Murphy who seems to have been working on the white Knight books doesn’t sell that hot in comparison with the first white Knight book at 38 last year behind mostly Marval books.

For reference any random issue of Xmen sells for 70-90k issues and the top white Knight book was 50. Though I’d be lying if I said I knew every book he’s worked on so some could be higher but 7 or so of the top 10 comics are Marval including the number 1 spot so it’s safe to say they wouldn’t want his sale numbers.

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2020.html

[PC2]

At least the Peterson followers make it easy to spot them, so they can be just as easily ignored.

I mean if a Peterson follower has a bad idea or position then you should explain why their bad. What's the point of ignoring people you disagree with and putting yourself in an echo chamber?

[Endus]

I mean if a Peterson follower has a bad idea or position then you should explain why their bad. What's the point of ignoring people you disagree with and putting yourself in an echo chamber?

Why do you think the burden of proof is on us to show why their ideas are bad? Why shouldn't they be expected to prove that their ideas are good?

We can see the poison tree they're pulling from. If they want to explain how the ideas they're producing aren't similar poison, that's on them.

[PC2]

What's the point of debating with people who refuse to acknowledge truth and facts?

The large majority of people don't dispute factual truths though, the dispute is almost always about people's interpretations of the facts. People very rarely dispute data and evidence and that only happens when someone posts information from an unreliable source that can't be verified by other sources.

It has nothing to do with "wanting an echo chamber"

I'm not saying you want an echo chamber I'm only saying it doesn't make sense to "debate" people who already agree with you.

[Kaleredar]

Why do you think the burden of proof is on us to show why their ideas are bad? Why shouldn't they be expected to prove that their ideas are good?

We can see the poison tree they're pulling from. If they want to explain how the ideas they're producing aren't similar poison, that's on them.

The most dangerous thing about Peterson is that he uses “science” (and I use that term very lightly) as a supposed means for deriving some sort of philosophical truth.

Like his “truth” that “because lobsters have nervous systems and humans have nervous systems, women should be subservient to men.” And the less scientifically literate will believe him because he couches it in a lot of fancy language and smart-sounding words.

[tehdang]

Jordan Peterson is complaining that the Nazi Supervillain Red Skull sounds like him!
Jordan Peterson has just discovered that Captain America fights fascism. Which makes fans of fascist aesthetics upset.



Is it really a parody of Jordan Peterson, if he just stole all of his ideas from the Red Skull in the first place? Or just an accurate representation of the man. Made uncomfortable by simple truths?

It also made me think of subtext of Jojo Rabbit. That young immature boys, are drawn to the aesthetics of fascist ideologies. Which leads them down self destructive paths.

Free publicity lol. And from Coates too. What a riot. He should rewrite Coates’ eldrich energies from the talisman of whiteness to be an actual comic book mcguffin.

I hope Peterson paid him for this.

[Felya]

Let’s take trip to 1975:



You see Valkyrie on an upside down cross being burned? That’s because racists were fire bombing a black neighborhood... crucifying Valkyrie as a race traitor... Woke in 1975...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Free publicity lol. And from Coates too. What a riot. He should rewrite Coates’ eldrich energies from the talisman of whiteness to be an actual comic book mcguffin.

I hope Peterson paid him for this.

That’s not at all how publicity works. He’s never mentioned or even eluded to no one would pick up that comic and go “I’ll check out Peterson” because of it they would still not even know he exist.

[Felya]

Free publicity lol. And from Coates too. What a riot. He should rewrite Coates’ eldrich energies from the talisman of whiteness to be an actual comic book mcguffin.

I hope Peterson paid him for this.

Yes, making shit up is free publicity, when grifters succeed... here is Nebulon, copying Peterson from 1975...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebulon_(comics)

Nebulon adopted their philosophy of improving the lives of "lesser" beings, and returned to Earth to save its people from themselves. In the guise of "Mr. Nebul," he started a movement called Celestial Mind Control which promised to liberate the powers of the human mind, but actually robbed people of their free will.

Thanks for the free publicity, time travel...

[Kaleredar]

Let’s take trip to 1975:



You see Valkyrie on an upside down cross being burned? That’s because racists were fire bombing a black neighborhood... crucifying Valkyrie as a race traitor... Woke in 1975...

Quick, don’t tell nobody, but I hear that the X-men was actually about the dangers of xenophobia and racism using superheroes as allegory!

[Felya]

Quick, don’t tell nobody, but I hear that the X-men was actually about the dangers of xenophobia and racism using superheroes as allegory!

I kinda like the idea that even Son of Satan, was fighting racists.

[Shadowferal]

...always had a thing for Valkyrie.

[Milchshake]

I kinda like the idea that even Son of Satan, was fighting racists.

Have you seen Satan recently?



This version of Satan is high on life. Not high on exotic barbiturates. Peterson can only dream of being that happy.

Maybe if Peterson was more honest with his feelings. Instead of hiding them a shabby construction of Jungian archetypes.

[Ihavewaffles]

It's even more embarrassing when you consider that nothing he says is anything overly radical. That people get offended over milquetoast ideas like cleaning your room or retaining traditional family values insofar as the way we've lived for centuries. There's nothing crazy about what he says, but some of his biggest detractors are very much on a level of crazy that in any other decade prior to 2000 would have had them sent to a psyche ward.

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, the current generation of progressive comic writers are creatively bankrupt hacks and nothing more than activists. They wonder why their stuff doesn't sell on the same level as traditional comic book series writers like Sean Murphy, it's because he shuts up and creates comics that people want to read without interjecting his own personal bias and opinions in the story. Progressive activism is killing off entertainment at a staggering rate. The terrible reception from long time fans of once beloved franchises is being met with scorn and ridicule and the corpos just keep hiring these same hack writers while they look any financial profitability in the rear view window.

What books do they earn money from? Omnibus fatties?

(I stopped following comics after the 80/90's)

[NED funded]

That's because Red Skull uses the same themes as Jordan Peterson in their comic:




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It might be a coincidence but when there's more than one coincidence it makes it seem like it's not the result of an accident or random chance.

They even called it ten rules for life, doesnt seem like a subtle jab at him. I think he understandably upset about it lol