Punk rockers/anarchists and Libertarians, what is the difference?

[Shadowferal]

So, you're mocking me for supporting liberty, then claiming I don't support liberty. .

Since you define the buzzword differently from the rest of the country...y'know those if us that don't mind paying for infrastructure with all the trimmings, maybe you should leave for a country that doesn't infringe your right to not pay taxes. Stop fucking freeloading and gtfo already.

[Machismo]

I have a shit memory. Answer the questions. I just had surgery and you want to denigrate me for it?

Well, this has long been answered, so I'll wait until you're sober. I'd hate for you to deliberately misrepresent what I said... again.

Get some sleep.

[Machismo]

Websites aren't individuals they can't have liberty. Corporations aren't people they can't have liberty.
You don't give a fucking shit about the people who are employed by those institutions. You can't argue against measures that would increase their standard of living but then pretend like you support them. Its bullshit and nobody buys it except you.

They are owned by individuals.

We've seen what happens when socialist authoritarians seek to limit free speech and freedom of association.

[Machismo]

Since you define the buzzword differently from the rest of the country...y'know those if us that don't mind paying for infrastructure with all the trimmings, maybe you should leave for a country that doesn't infringe your right to not pay taxes. Stop fucking freeloading and gtfo already.

Millions of people, and dozens of other countries swear that gay marriage causes harm.

Are they right?

Shall we get into all the abortion restrictions?

You agree that those laws are justified, right?

[Machismo]

Yeah, you have an inability to articulate your own beliefs. That's pretty sad.

Nope, Im simply tired of doing it, then having you ignore it, and call me a socialist or anarchist.

[Shadowferal]

Yeah, you have an inability to articulate your own beliefs. That's pretty sad.

Beliefs need conviction. And libertarians never had that and never will.

[Glorious Leader]

They are owned by individuals.

We've seen what happens when socialist authoritarians seek to limit free speech and freedom of association.

Not necessarily they could be owned by other institutions, particularly capitalist financial institutions but that isn't the point either. THEY ARENT FUCKING PEOPLE so claiming that nationalizing Google is a violation of Google "individual liberty" is untrue. Its not a fucking person.. w

[Machismo]

You have almost 50k posts, why can't you just help people out instead of expecting them to read 20k of these kinds of responses to find any that come CLOSE to answering these questions. I've asked you these kinds of things directly multiple times and you never directly answer. You always claim "I have answered that long ago" and can never just say yes or no. It's fucking weird.

I have literally told you before. You and I have had this conversation. Considering you already got caught lying, why should I think you would change?

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You never actually do it though. You just claim you did ONCE and then QQ when people won't ready your 49,210 posts to find the singular time you may have actually answered.

It was probably around one of the times you called me an anarchist.

Since you did, clearly you recall me stating stances.

[Glorious Leader]

Nope, Im simply tired of doing it, then having you ignore it, and call me a socialist or anarchist.

Oh you are quite obviously neither of those. Anarchist as a rule want to end Dominion and hierarchy. You support the grossest exploitation and hierarchy of man imaginable.

[Machismo]

Not necessarily they could be owned by other institutions, particularly but capitalist financial institutions but that isn't the point either. THEY ARENT FUCKING PEOPLE so claiming that nationalizing Google is a violation of Google "individual liberty" is untrue. Its not a fucking person.. w

They deserve liberty, just like the rest of us. I don't want to force a business to serve Nazis, or else they be taken over by the government.

You do.

[Glorious Leader]

Yeah, you have an inability to articulate your own beliefs. That's pretty sad.

Thats the definition of libertarianism. Every other libertarian is not only wrong but nobody ever understands their arguments. Endless solipsism. Endless semantics.

[Shadowferal]

Millions of people, and dozens of other countries swear that gay marriage causes harm. Are they right? Shall we get into all the abortion restrictions? You agree that those laws are justified, right?

Oh gee... deflecting... Not surprising.

[Machismo]

Oh you are quite obviously neither of those. Anarchist as a rule want to end Dominion and hierarchy. You support the grossest exploitation and hierarchy of man imaginable.

Sorry, Im not a socialist.

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Thats the definition of libertarianism. Every other libertarian is not only wrong but nobody ever understands their arguments. Endless solipsism. Endless semantics.

Nope, you seem to be making up definitions again.

[Glorious Leader]

They deserve liberty, just like the rest of us. I don't want to force a business to serve Nazis, or else they be taken over by the government.

You do.

They aren't fucking people. They can't have liberty because it is reserved for ACTUAL HUMANS. This really is just showing your privilege. Its amusing. Corporations are people too my friend.

[Machismo]

Oh gee... deflecting... Not surprising.

I'm pointing out the dangers of misconstruing things you don't like, as harm.

[Machismo]

They aren't fucking people. They can't have liberty because it is reserved for ACTUAL HUMANS. This really is just showing your privilege. Its amusing. Corporations are people too my friend.

Yes, business owners and shareholders are people.

I'm sorry you don't think so.

[Glorious Leader]

At times it honestly seems like he has Anarchist beliefs, but he finds that words offensive so he refuses to admit it. The shit he advocates for is basically everyone be nice to each other and we'll get along fine. That's the belief of most modern anarchists...

No its not. Anarchism as a political school has a rich and deep intellectual history. Anarchism has traditionally been a part of wider socialist movements. So called an caps and libertarians are not part of that tradition because they seek to maintain the most hierarchical of systems. private property

[Shadowferal]

At times it honestly seems like he has Anarchist beliefs, but he finds that words offensive so he refuses to admit it. The shit he advocates for is basically everyone be nice to each other and we'll get along fine. That's the belief of most modern anarchists...

That's why I mentioned he should take his freeloading self to the south Sudan. Not much in the way of law there. He should embrace the idea.

[Machismo]

They aren't fucking people. They can't have liberty because it is reserved for ACTUAL HUMANS. This really is just showing your privilege. Its amusing. Corporations are people too my friend.

Thanks for acknowledging that you'd force a Jewish business owner to serve Nazis, or else lose his business to the government.

[Machismo]

Why do you value money over everything else?

I don't

I value liberty over everything else.