Punk rockers/anarchists and Libertarians, what is the difference?

[Machismo]

There’s no such thing as voluntary government. If there were when you come to say I couldn’t murder that guy then I just shrug and say, “I live in a country where it’s legal, it’s called my house.”

You asked.

And no, those governments would have means in which to deal with those who harmed their citizens.

[Ivanstone]

So, you agree that Trump is completely innocent of the things he's accused of doing, since he has been charged with no crimes? I want to be sure that your stance on such issues is consistent. Otherwise, you're being willfully ignorant.

How is it misinformation to state that the mayor went on television to swear the water was safe, months after the EPA had tested higher levels of lead in the water?

How is it misinformation to state that the local council voted to change the water supplier in the first place, because it was cheaper?

How is it misinformation to state that no corrosion inhibitors were added to the new water?

How is it misinformation to state that they voted to keep the cheaper water, even after two water boilings and GM sopped its usage?

He has numerous investigations against him in process never mind the obstruction investigation which was squelched even though it said he did it.

All other points are related to misinformation from Snyder, the Emergency Managers and State Agencies which is why many of them are being charged. If they were gonna charge local officials, it would've already happened.

[Machismo]

So it’s NOT voluntary then. Make up your mind.

I did, and I answered your question.

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He has numerous investigations against him in process never mind the obstruction investigation which was squelched even though it said he did it.

All other points are related to misinformation from Snyder, the Emergency Managers and State Agencies which is why many of them are being charged. If they were gonna charge local officials, it would've already happened.

That's your metric you used.

If you are going to judge culpability based on indictment, then at least have the decency to be consistent.

As of now, you are saying Trump is every bit as innocent as as the city leaders of Flint, correct?

[Bodakane]

Machismo: The government is corrupt!!!!!
Everyone Else: The government is corrupt because wealthy corporations pay for the politicians. Which is why we need to regulate the corporations more.
Machismo: No there's too many rules!!!!!!!

[Machismo]

With a contradiction. If these governments can use their means to punish me for something I don’t even consider harm then it’s not voluntary.

Not really, wars and hostile actions can still be taken between governments. That hasn't changed.

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Machismo: The government is corrupt!!!!!
Everyone Else: The government is corrupt because wealthy corporations pay for the politicians. Which is why we need to regulate the corporations more.
Machismo: No there's too many rules!!!!!!!

And yet, I'm the only one who opposed when the corporation was trying to control government.

I do enjoy the irony.

I simply accept that fact that people are just as capable of pushing corrupt government, as corporations are. How would keeping corporations out of government stop all the abortion restrictions that have been pushed, and are going to continue being pushed?

[Machismo]

So you are advocating for the total devolution of society. Brilliant. Who decides property rights?

Nope, try again.

[Felya]

And yet, I'm the only one who opposed when the corporation was trying to control government.

I do enjoy the irony.

I simply accept that fact that people are just as capable of pushing corrupt government, as corporations are. How would keeping corporations out of government stop all the abortion restrictions that have been pushed, and are going to continue being pushed?

What’s the difference between people and a corporation? In particular, when talking about voice?

Also, can you explain the liability of people when incorporating and just people? Is there a way, I can dissolve my liability, while remaining an individual?

[Machismo]

You just said you want a bunch of tiny voluntary countries that go to war every time one of their citizens is harmed.

You do realize that we solve issues like this all the time, right?

Now, since you seem to be stuck in a loop, I'll move on.

Do you care to address all the other solutions I offered for short-term issues, or are you going to keep ignoring them?

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What’s the difference between people and a corporation? In particular, when talking about voice?

Also, can you explain the liability of people when incorporating and just people? Is there a way, I can dissolve my liability, while remaining an individual?

Ask them, they are the ones trying to make the distinction.

[Felya]

So you are advocating for the total devolution of society. Brilliant. Who decides property rights?

Corporations are people, my friend. It’s a long standing libertarian slogan, initiated by the hallmark of libertarians, Mitt Romney...

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Ask them, they are the ones trying to make the distinction.

The reason I used bold, is because you distinguished between the two... but, can I take this answer as “none”? Nothing you have said has explained an individual’s ability to dissolve liability.

[Bodakane]

And yet, I'm the only one who opposed when the corporation was trying to control government.

I do enjoy the irony.

I simply accept that fact that people are just as capable of pushing corrupt government, as corporations are. How would keeping corporations out of government stop all the abortion restrictions that have been pushed, and are going to continue being pushed?

No you aren't. You want them too. That's why you called a government run by the people, facist, authoritarian and socialist. You literally just said you were against a corporate run government then turn around and defend it two sentences later.

Our government is set up to prevent power grabs by people. It is not however, set up to prevent power grabs by the wealthy corporations. Also, abortion is still legal. Trying to get laws enacted and then those laws not being enacted, like abortion banning, means the system is working as intended, and yet you bitch.

[Machismo]

Corporations are people, my friend. It’s a long standing libertarian slogan, initiated by the hallmark of libertarians, Mitt Romney...

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The reason I used bold, is because you distinguished between the two... but, can I take this answer as “none”? Nothing you have said has explained an individual’s ability to dissolve liability.

Nope, I'm simply going to ignore your leading questions., If you want to push a narrative, then just push it with a statement.

[Machismo]

No you aren't. You want them too. That's why you called a government run by the people, facist, authoritarian and socialist. You literally just said you were against a corporate run government then turn around and defend it two sentences later.

Our government is set up to prevent power grabs by people. It is not however, set up to prevent power grabs by the wealthy corporations. Also, abortion is still legal. Trying to get laws enacted and then those laws not being enacted, like abortion banning, means the system is working as intended, and yet you bitch.

Governments run by corporations can also be fascist, socialist, and authoritarian. I never said otherwise. You really need to actually read what I type, instead of what you pretended I typed.

Our government has done a shitty, shitty job of stopping power grabs. We've seen it multiple times in my lifetime.

Are you under the illusion that those abortion restrictions aren't already coming? We've already seen some, and we'll see some more.

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Already did long ago. Care to answer who decides property rights?

Ask the leaders of those voluntary governments when they are formed thousands of years into the future.

Or, would you like to discuss things that will actually happen within our lifetime?

[Machismo]

Remind me how allowing unlimited political influence would stop those power grabs again.

By. Opposing. Shitty. Laws.

Man, it's like I already said that.

[Felya]

Nope, I'm simply going to ignore your leading questions., If you want to push a narrative, then just push it with a statement.

Where am I leading? By saying this, not only are you claiming you know my argument, you are also claiming that you have no reply to it.

No, I am not going to tell you what you are supposed to think... if you think what I said is a trap, perhaps reconcile why it’s a trap, instead of giving you an Avenue to just bitch about me putting words in your mouth.

[Machismo]

Remind me how allowing unlimited political influence would stop those power grabs again.

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This is about your idea for governance. So what would the “voluntary government” you’d follow do?

My idea is to limit spending, reduce taxes, and allow for more personal liberty.

This has been covered.

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Where am I leading? By saying this, not only are you claiming you know my argument, you are also claiming that you have no reply to it.

No, I am not going to tell you what you are supposed to think... if you think what I said is a trap, perhaps reconcile why it’s a trap, instead of giving you an Avenue to just bitch about me putting words in your mouth.

It's your argument, no need to ask questions.

[Machismo]

You’ve tried that. Doesn’t work.

So, you don't oppose abortion regulations?

Well, thanks for clearing that up.

[Felya]

It's your argument, no need to ask questions.

No, I am taking this as a keyboard warrior version of admitting you are wrong.

I don’t have an argument, because you haven’t answered my questions. I have an assumption of how you’ll answer. But, seeing as you are an intelligent, fully capable human being, you might have an answer that I am not considering.

If I could read your mind, I wouldn’t ask.

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I do so actively by working to reform campaign finance laws so that special interest groups and corporations can’t do those power grabs. Your solution is to increase their ability to do so. How would you going yuck matter when the corporations own the roads, power, internet access, and the politicians?

Call corporations people, to devalue the distinction.

[Machismo]

I do so actively by working to reform campaign finance laws so that special interest groups and corporations can’t do those power grabs. Your solution is to increase their ability to do so. How would you going yuck matter when the corporations own the roads, power, internet access, and the politicians?

But, you said it doesn't work.

Are you saying you are purposefully wasting your time?

But, the biggest opponent to those abortion restrictions... is Planned Parenthood... a corporation.

The problem you have, is that corporations are often on both sides of an issue, just like people are.

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No, I am taking this as a keyboard warrior version of admitting you are wrong.

I don’t have an argument, because you haven’t answered my questions. I have an assumption of how you’ll answer. But, seeing as you are an intelligent, fully capable human being, you might have an answer that I am not considering.

If I could read your mind, I wouldn’t ask.

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Call corporations people, to devalue the distinction.

You can take it how you like, at least then you'd be making a statement (even a baseless one) instead of sea lioning and pushing leading questions.

[Machismo]

No, I said your method of opposition doesn’t work. Try to keep up. I’ve actually seen a lot of success in my efforts, sadly I don’t live in TX.

And, what method is that that I'm supposedly using? Considering I haven't stated my methods, this may get a bit tricky for you.

But, you agree that Planned parenthood and other organizations like BLM shouldn't be allowed to lobby...

[Machismo]

You have stated your methods. You post on here that you oppose shit. I gave you every chance to state other methods and you were unable to do so. As per your rules, you don’t have other methods. Sorry, your rules.

So, what are my methods that I stated?

I'll be honest, I don't recall stating.