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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    It's just his model stripped of the armour.

    Anyways, being a raid boss is more recognition than WotLK gave him.
    yeah i just saw. still tho, the armoured version makes him look just as much like "random mad tormented soul attacking us and dying"

    dude went from being a main villain in WC2+3, to not even being mentioned in WotLK, to being the only warlord not receiving a comic/video AND being the only warlord to die in a dungeon in WoD, to THIS.
    what has ner'zhul done to them lmao. did all the writers wives leave them bc of this character or what happened
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    aaaaaaand the odds of ner'zhul ending up as a throw away raid boss in the new raid went up to 99%
    *sigh*
    fck the writers. what a way to destroy one of their remaining OG characters
    1. he was already destroyed... hes been dead for decades... hes literally THE ENTIRE RAID BOSS
    2. how is having him return IN THE AFTERLIFE throwing him away to destroy an "og charecter"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    yeah i just saw. still tho, the armoured version makes him look just as much like "random mad tormented soul attacking us and dying"

    dude went from being a main villain in WC2+3, to not even being mentioned in WotLK, to being the only warlord not receiving a comic/video AND being the only warlord to die in a dungeon in WoD, to THIS.
    what has ner'zhul done to them lmao. did all the writers wives leave them bc of this character or what happened
    except he was mentioned in wotlk... a couple times... literally... dude do you not even read the books/play the games?

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    1. he was already destroyed... hes been dead for decades... hes literally THE ENTIRE RAID BOSS
    2. how is having him return IN THE AFTERLIFE throwing him away to destroy an "og charecter"

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    except he was mentioned in wotlk... a couple times... literally... dude do you not even read the books/play the games?
    see my post above. his "death" in the arthas book was completely out of the blue and an absolute insult to the character, and since then hes only been fcked over again and again.

    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post

    except he was mentioned in wotlk... a couple times... literally... dude do you not even read the books/play the games?
    books are not part of WotLK lol. and where was he mentioned in WotLK directly? except the LKs "i was once a shamn" line which was never mentioned again
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    They’re confirmed to be Dreadlords. What we faced were Fel/Void corrupted ones. Mal’ganis is even in this patch.
    Really? Do you have a link / source by chance for the Malganis bit? I believe you, just really curious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    see my post above. his "death" was an absolute insult to the character, and since then hes only been fcked over again and again.
    His death? you mean his death back before wow even existed?

    Or do you mean the alternate version of himself which was a coward and weak?

    Cause i hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Wod warlords are different charecters then the base warlords, they are literally entirely different charecters.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    Been saying this to those people for a long time, but they love to keep insisting that he didn't rule it. I mean I've said the whole "jailer not jailed" like a million times and they're like well now he is and it's like WHY would they then have him jailing people AFTER he betrayed them.

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    lol citation needed.
    The whole Maldraxxus campaign is you finding the Primus's gear and putting it on his statute in order to power boost the Necrolord covenant. Considering that the Scourge are supposed to be based off of the Necrolords it seemed like they were going to end up being phylacteries or something. Now it just turns out the dude didn't want to get his robe dirty when going off to the Maw or was going there for a booty call.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    His death? you mean his death back before wow even existed?

    Or do you mean the alternate version of himself which was a coward and weak?

    Cause i hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Wod warlords are different charecters then the base warlords, they are literally entirely different charecters.
    dude, now whos hasnt read the books or played the games? his "death" at kil'jaedens hand doesnt count, bc he was immediatly revived.
    what i mean is his defeat/death at arthas's hands, in the arthas book from golden, which was published with WotLK, when blizz realised that arthas as the LK would sell more copies of the game.
    and WoD ner'zhul might be a different character, but his treatment still shows how much fucks blizz gives about the character. every other warlord was treated better. even fckn kilrogg
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by lazypeon100 View Post
    Really? Do you have a link / source by chance for the Malganis bit? I believe you, just really curious!
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=183742/...ration-preface

    That book mentions a few things about the subject.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53129102 is the new image for him if you didn't already see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    see my post above. his "death" in the arthas book was completely out of the blue and an absolute insult to the character, and since then hes only been fcked over again and again.



    books are not part of WotLK lol. and where was he mentioned in WotLK directly? except the LKs "i was once a shamn" line which was never mentioned again
    "Which was never mentioned again"
    Cause he was fucking DEAD.
    He did not die in the arthas book, he died long before thatr, in the arthas book he fooled arthas into a fake sense of security by playing with his mind and his ego, then later using this to just right out take control of his mind.

    sounds like you really do not know of his actual lore.
    especially since he was seen again in legion and they did very well there, where we had to push him out of frostmourne trapping him entirely within the helm.
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    "Which was never mentioned again"
    Cause he was fucking DEAD.
    He did not die in the arthas book, he died long before thatr, in the arthas book he fooled arthas into a fake sense of security by playing with his mind and his ego, then later using this to just right out take control of his mind.

    sounds like you really do not know of his actual lore.
    what are you even talking about lol.
    he wasnt REALLY dead. kil'jaeden killed and then revived him as the LK, by binding him to the helm of domination. and in there he was up and kicking until the arthas book, where arthas killed him at the end. which was a retcon from the ending of WC3, where he and arthas fused.
    and since then we havent seen him until now

    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    especially since he was seen again in legion and they did very well there, where we had to push him out of frostmourne trapping him entirely within the helm.
    yeaaaah go check that again. that, like arthas, was an ECHO of ner'zhul. not his actual soul.
    still waiting for his "mention" in WotLK btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=183742/...ration-preface

    That book mentions a few things about the subject.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53129102 is the new image for him if you didn't already see that.
    Much appreciated, thank you!

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    You guys are arguing semantics about what is considered "dead" and/or "alive" versus what Blizzard considers "active" and "present"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OokOok View Post
    There's a reason he's the brother to everyone, blizzard likes reusing old god mythology, Zovaal is basically Hades. hades ruled the underworld and was imprisoned there by Zeus.
    The Underworld was not Hades prison any more than the seas and oceans were Poseidon's prison. It was a dominion for him to rule over after the tianomachy. The idea that there was this animosity between Hades and Zeus is not a real thing. If anything Zeus and Poseidon had more reason to be at odds given Poseidon once schemed with some of the other gods to overthrow Zeus, which required the intervention of one of the hecatoncheires to stop the coup. I digress, the comparison does not track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    I knew he wasn't the Runecarver. My theory that the the Runecarver is Gul'dan could still happen.
    LOL no.
    Absolutely not.
    This is downright goofy to the Nth degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The Jailer would have looked far more imposing and ancient with that model. As of now he looks like a filthy bald janitor, with that model he'd actually look like a timeless God of Death, but it's too late for that. Regardless I'm glad Blizzard didn't waste that concept art.
    Agreed.
    It's very hard to take the current Jailer seriously.
    He looks like a dude that's salty and goes to the gym a lot, not, as you so eloquently put it: a timeless god of death - which is what he is supposed to be, folks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    aaaaaaand the odds of ner'zhul ending up as a throw away raid boss in the new raid went up to 99%
    *sigh*
    fck the writers. what a way to destroy one of their remaining OG characters
    He does appear to be a raidboss in the Maw/Torghast raid, but his combat model is quite awesome in my opinion:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    He does appear to be a raidboss in the Maw/Torghast raid, but his combat model is quite awesome in my opinion:

    Yeah people jumping too soon and reacting based on half of the model. Poor artists, spend all that time doing work and getting shit on online because players game themselves the wrong impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Yeah people jumping too soon and reacting based on half of the model. Poor artists, spend all that time doing work and getting shit on online because players game themselves the wrong impression.
    "But its just a reskin of marrowgar, such a disgrace for such an important character!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    I knew he wasn't the Runecarver
    This is a good comment that in no shape or form will be affected by 9.1
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  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    "But its just a reskin of marrowgar, such a disgrace for such an important character!"
    except nobody ever said that lmao
    the model is dope. how theyll treat the character, thats another question entirely. which we shall find out soon enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    He does appear to be a raidboss in the Maw/Torghast raid, but his combat model is quite awesome in my opinion:

    yeah hell be a raid boss. maybe i shouldve worded it better: chances of him dying for good as a throw-away raid boss are getting quite high.
    but well see. perhaps, just perhaps, blizz surprises us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    except nobody ever said that lmao
    the model is dope. how theyll treat the character, thats another question entirely. which we shall find out soon enough.
    "Nobody ever said that lmao"
    really now? how much ya wanna bet?
    You know what, i will save you the money, cause any amount we bet would put you bankrupt.









    and that aint even half the ones i found, im sure the reddit is fucking full of em.

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