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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    There's no body left with which to resurrect Deathwing, except two distinct chin chunks that hang in Stormwind and Orgrimmar.

    The only piece that COULD exist naturally would be the chin. Everything else would have to be magically reconstructed. Which would be especially difficult since we destroyed Onyxia and Nefarian's remains as well, leaving very few relatives left who could serve as replacement parts.

    And since Wrathion hasn't died yet and shows no sign of doing so soon, I doubt they plan to use him in such a wasteful way.
    Not if like everybody else they end up in Shadowlands which they don't require a physical body and if they were able to find way to reconstruct him with whatever means.

    Or allow him to possess someone else's body like his son, Wrathion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    But if End Time is just one possiblity on how things could have ended that did not come to pass, that means Murozond dies differently, no? Or can certain events just be pulled as real and others discarded from the same timeline?
    We never saw the alternate timeline up until Legion allied race and the Alternate Timeline merged with ours. This means that different timelines could have one focal point or convergence similar to what Murozond was mentioning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    But if End Time is just one possiblity on how things could have ended that did not come to pass, that means Murozond dies differently, no? Or can certain events just be pulled as real and others discarded from the same timeline?
    Well, timetraveling on WoW is weird. It looks like when you time-travel, you create a new bubble universe, and if it goes unchecked it could merge with the main time-line overwritting it.
    What we have with Murozond could be 2 different things:
    - The event that leads Nozdormu become Murozond is still going to happen (because there still are Infinite Dragons going around), so the future Murozond travels back to our present.
    - The Infinite Dragonflight we currently have is a "time-remnant": something from a time-line that it does not exists anymore and were left on our time-line, and they NEED to exists, because they're the cause that led to their time-line to stop existing. Because if they ceased to exists with their time-lime, then you have a paradox. (Yeah, time-traveling can be a mess xD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    We never saw the alternate timeline up until Legion allied race and the Alternate Timeline merged with ours. This means that different timelines could have one focal point or convergence similar to what Murozond was mentioning.
    If you mean the Draenor time-line from which Mag'har come, that time-line didn't merge. It's still out there, I feel like Yrel would be a menace in a future expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    Not if like everybody else they end up in Shadowlands which they don't require a physical body and if they were able to find way to reconstruct him with whatever means.
    But then he's just dead, not undead.

    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    Well, timetraveling on WoW is weird. It looks like when you time-travel, you create a new bubble universe, and if it goes unchecked it could merge with the main time-line overwritting it.
    That's actually one of the more sensible ways of doing and avoids some of the problems of having only a single timeline while not requiring you to commit to a full-blown multiverse. Most timelines just re-merge or destabilise so much they become non-viable, so you still have a relatively small number of timelines you actually need to pay attention to, but there's no limit to how many possibilities you can explore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    But then he's just dead, not undead.



    That's actually one of the more sensible ways of doing and avoids some of the problems of having only a single timeline while not requiring you to commit to a full-blown multiverse. Most timelines just re-merge or destabilise so much they become non-viable, so you still have a relatively small number of timelines you actually need to pay attention to, but there's no limit to how many possibilities you can explore.
    Reanimation/Ressurection/Rebirth
    - There could be several ways of how one could come back to life. One could be the Deathwing we encountered in Dragon Soul raid could've been an echo of Deathwing without our knowledge. 2 he could be reincarnated in the body of a human guise such as Daval Prestor or somebody else. A ritual could've been performed similar to Nathanon, or Deathwing's soul could've been reincarnated as Wrathion or he could possess Wrathion along the way.

    Multiple timelines
    - there's a reason why bronze dragonflight are assigned to be cstodians of time and there is no possible means of going back thru time without the aid of a magical item or thru their intercession. The complication of traveling from past, present or future creates a time loop and the only way to break the cycle is change one of the events which was the goal of the Infinite dragonflight but it leads to branching of events such Draenor and Outland which exist in WoW universe and it's reality. We knew that the past of records of the old horde and what happened to Draenor turning to Outland but because we travel back in time we haven't seen the fulfillment of of Draenor's very own destruction and implosion into Outland but we are seeing an event unfolding which shows Light "corrupting" the Orcish Horde.

    Perhaps that is the reason why the Burning Legion tried to corrupt them instead because we haven't seen the corruptible nature of Light which blinds everyone staring at it directly, a blind faith or it represents goodness.


    From Warcrimes novel:
    Eventually, Wrathion revealed himself to be working with Kairozdormu and the Infinite dragonflight to free Garrosh and send him back in time to the Draenor of thirty-five years ago.


    N'Zoth the Corruptor whispers: You tread within a vision of what was... and what will be.
    N'Zoth the Corruptor whispers: My empire is this world's inevitable destiny.
    MOTHER says: Signal interference negated. Connection restored.
    Magni Bronzebeard says: Yer back! What happened?
    The corpse of the Black Emperor dissolves, revealing it to actually be the n'raqi Ki'merax.
    Wrathion says: I learned that it doesn't take much for my friends to believe I betrayed them.
    Wrathion says: Champions, that vision was as much for me as it was for you. N'Zoth wants us to believe that my corruption is inevitable.
    Wrathion says: Doubt me if you must, but know that I will not rest until his smoldering corpse lies at my feet.
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    The Void sees all outcomes and possibilities but they can never accurately pinpoint which will actually happen so they just try as many things as possible to secure the Void ruled universe they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    The Void sees all outcomes and possibilities but they can never accurately pinpoint which will actually happen so they just try as many things as possible to secure the Void ruled universe they want.
    I'm not sure why they can see all possibilities. The only way for them be able to do that is experience multiple timelines and peer into the future but that domain and power is within the hands of Amanthul not unless...
    If Void transcends life,order,death then it only means Void is above all and the ultimate cosmic force.. No wonder why Azeroth is always kept in check and in slumber if she is really the Dark Titan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Not THAT Deathwing. The awesome Deathwing was the original one that was brilliant, that plotted schemed and infiltrated. That turned people against each other. HE was a great villain. The writers completely destroyed the character by turning him into some mindless crazed idiot in Cata.
    You mean the Deathwing who had cultists infiltrating literally every faction. The one who wiped out the entire next generation of enemy dragonkind under the temple, killed Alexstrasza's right hand man, and temporarily fractured the wyrmrest accord? The one who masterminded numberous elemental lords attacking numberous vital points simultaneous to thin out our response where winning in every one place wins? That Deathwing?
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    I'm not sure why they can see all possibilities.
    Well, of course you don't. Nobody does except maybe Blizzard. We just know that it can.

    But you're overreading as well. The Void can see them, nothing more. The Light can also grant visions of the future. Neither has the ability to manipulate time, at least, not any more than anybody else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Well, of course you don't. Nobody does except maybe Blizzard. We just know that it can.

    But you're overreading as well. The Void can see them, nothing more. The Light can also grant visions of the future. Neither has the ability to manipulate time, at least, not any more than anybody else does.
    There's a reason why the Void wanted to change it and from our perspective it might appear evil not until we know the motivation behind their action if it is indeed justifiable. Who know the light might have its own dark side or shadows casting else where that is being complete hidden beyond our sight.

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